Sony Xperia 1 II - Esato archive

Posted by XperiaJunkie
INTRODUCING THE SONY XPERIA 1 II

Dimensions - 165.1 x 71.1 x 7.6 mm

Weight - 181.4 g

Build - Gorilla glass 6 front and back with an aluminum frame

IP65/IP68 - dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)

Display - 6.5" 21:9 4K HDR OLED screen with 643 PPI

256GB of storage with SD card support upto 1TB

8GB of RAM

5G connectivity with Qualcomm Snapdragon 865 CPU and Adreno 650 GPU

Triple camera set up at the rear along with a ToF sensor -
12 MP, f/1.7, 24mm (wide), 1/1.7", Dual Pixel PDAF, OIS
12 MP, f/2.4, 70mm (telephoto), 1/3.4", 1.0µm, PDAF, 3x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.55", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)
2160p@24/25/30/60fps HDR, 1080p@30/60/120fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS

Single "Selfie" camera -
8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm
HDR
1080p@30fps (5-axis gyro-EIS)

Front facing stereo speakers with Dolby Atmos

360 Reality Audio

3.5mm headphone jack

Hi-Res Audio through Sony's own LDAC technology

Android 10 out of the box

Side mounted fingerprint scanner embedded into lock/power button

4000 mAh battery with fast charge an QI wireless charge support too upto 15W

Available in Black, Purple and White colour options

[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2020-02-29 08:11 ]

Posted by goldenface
Thanks XJ.

Nice to see the integrated FPS back. I miss this on my Xp5.

Posted by XperiaJunkie
Capture the once impossible

Built for speed

Hands on with Chris Barraclough

Posted by Sassho
Look is good - Zeiss optics, 3x opt.zoom, nice 1/1.7" sensor, RAW support after update, 3.5 audio jack.
https://www.sony.com/electron[....]/specifications#specifications

[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2020-02-24 09:36 ]

Posted by blackzeros
Cinematography Pro “powered by CineAlta” newly supports 2K 120fps 10 bit
HDR cinematic high frame rate shooting[ix] and Cinematic 21:9 4K GDR
recording at 24/25/30/60fps [x],enhancing cinematographic shooting
experiences. Touch AF, Metered Manual controls for setting exposure, Level
meter and improved white balance settings offer more manual control,
while the unique Intelligent wind filter technology from Sony reduces noise
and wind interference for clear audio recording.

What is GDR ?

edit:oh they just write wrong

[ This Message was edited by: blackzeros on 2020-02-24 09:46 ]

Posted by cool_sauce
Xperias have always been good in burst mode even XZ2 does really good job with motion blur. Problem is you will never hear about it when reading online reviews cause no one does shooting tests in motion for various reasons.

Posted by Hawk12
It is very shocking.
It indeed seems fast as an Alpha.

Posted by XperiaJunkie
Anyone know the difference between a ToF sensor and the iToF sensor found in the Xperia 1 II?

Posted by goldenface
Looks like it's adding up to be a beast of a phone and it's nice to see the harder, more serious design language reappear.

Posted by tai020381

On 2020-02-24 10:23:41, XperiaJunkie wrote:
INTRODUCING THE SONY XPERIA 1 II

[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2020-02-24 09:29 ]

Can't view the pictures you posted...

[ This Message was edited by: tai020381 on 2020-02-24 11:44 ]

Posted by Archdragoon
Guy from factory in Thailand confirmed that Xperia 1 mk2 has UFS 3.0

Trying to get info about DAC from him. Not sure would he know about that.

Posted by MyP910
How about wireless charging?

Posted by Hawk12
Look at other phones with ToF.
It looks like a regular camera.

ToF of Sony looks like a mix of "ToF + Laser AF."
It assists the dual pixel.
It is like we say the circle does the blur while square helps focus.
Go to the page and in the session of camera, click on number 3 to see the image.

I think I heard 15W Qi during press or hands-on.
I dont remember.

[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2020-02-24 12:18 ]

Posted by tai020381

On 2020-02-24 12:51:45, Archdragoon wrote:
Guy from factory in Thailand confirmed that Xperia 1 mk2 has UFS 3.0

Trying to get info about DAC from him. Not sure would he know about that.

GREAT NEWS ~

And yes has wireless charging. 15w qi charging.

Seems this guys information trustworthy. His specs of xperia 1II quite spot on.

https://androidnext.info/?p=711

[ This Message was edited by: tai020381 on 2020-02-24 13:57 ]

Posted by marokanec
Central Europe official price 1230 euro

Posted by Xajel
Hmmm

Why is this thread is in the rumors forum?

Damn, esato needs more admins.

Posted by RacSony

On 2020-02-24 15:17:23, marokanec wrote:
Central Europe official price 1230 euro

which country?
would you mind sharing source?

Posted by Hawk12
Cant find ISO and shutter speed values.

Posted by moogoo
i wonder if this T* coating has scratch resistance properties because this is usually put onto a camera lens that is generally pretty protected. our phones are in our pockets and thrown around and treated much more roughly than a normal camera lens. if the T* coating can scratch easily then it'll be pretty useless and will cause those scratches to appear in pictures and video, essentially making the camera completely useless.

great idea, but I hope it is implemented correctly.

spec sheet also says 4K will have recording restrictions, though it doesn't say how much or if this is restricted based on storage availability... let's hope it's not due to whether or not it overheats!

all articles say it's UFS 2.1 .. this is obviously information directly from sony. only info we have against it is some guy who works at a factory?

I am curious what sony is doing with a US release phone. are they disabling the 5G antenna? Most US carriers are implementing mmWave 5G networks first, but some are also rolling out sub6 networks as well. I don't see why sony would handicap a phone with the ability built in.

price seems a bit expensive. haven't seen any bundles yet. anybody know of any?

[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2020-02-24 15:00 ]

Posted by Hawk12
€1200
€370
€200

Posted by moogoo
they really jacked up the price this year... it's quite a different from the $950 USD last year.

seems a big excessive to me. it will be difficult for people to swallow even if they want to get a sony vs a samsung. that big price different is going to be a turn off.

Posted by moogoo

On 2020-02-24 11:35:12, XperiaJunkie wrote:
Anyone know the difference between a ToF sensor and the iToF sensor found in the Xperia 1 II?

iTOF is indirect ToF vs Tof which is usually Direct ToF.

just a different implementation.

"The direct measurement of the time delay between two adjacent pulses is called direct TOF (dTOF), while if the time delay is obtained starting from the phase delay of a periodic waveform we speak of indirect TOF (iTOF)"

EDIT:
there are so many fake videos on youtube already doing camera comparisons. lol.

[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2020-02-24 15:28 ]

Posted by blue.caesar2
Actually I have question for this product:

1. Does the Xperia 1 Mark II can change the display resolution on setting or it will be always 4K?
2. How much watt for USB Power Delivery for this phone? Is it still 18 watt or more?
3. Will Sony release higher watt for it is adapter in the future? Like 20 watt above.

Posted by MyP910
Thank you for the wireless charging....finally.

Posted by moogoo
myP910 - i know, right? been waiting for it!

@goldenface - are you gonna upgrade? i'm thinking yes, but man, this price is more than i was expecting..

Posted by Gitaroo
Been away since z5p, how is Sony picture compression algorithm these dates? Still have the same oil painting with tons of noises? Low light OK? What's the difference between this and pro? Kind of sucks that they don't have the 100MP camera option like s20 ultra.

Posted by goldenface
@moogoo Yeah, the price is a sticking point although the phone itself is gorgeous. I know that the compact version won't arrive for another six months at least (correct me anyone if I'm wrong) but, the spec sheet is right up there and i'm very tempted.

Posted by moogoo
gitaroo - why don't you look at some samples online from xperia 1? there are no samples to look at for this model yet. at least not from 3rd party reviewers, but sensors are larger and more alpha involvement so it should be improved.

pro has mmwave 5G support with 360 antenna and some additional hardware features for interfacing with cameras and such. otherwise, internals and display, and camera array are the same.

@goldenface - i am too. i'm not too interested in the compact so this is definitely tempting me. i just keep looking at that price. i wonder what it will be in the US and if making it 4G for US release is true. also, when will it even be available in the US. i hope there are some good bundles. i'll take some nice headphones.. that's like $300 right there. guess we have to wait for more information and some actual reviews.

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Posted by Sassho

Camera samples by Sony Xperia 1 II
https://phandroid.com/2020/02[....]mera-samples-look-spectacular/

Xperia 1 II vs iPhone 11 Pro Camera Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8x8QMLIK7Y

Sony Xperia 1 II vs Galaxy S20 Ultra Camera Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXrM6y-foXo

[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2020-02-24 17:21 ]

Posted by moogoo
^^

some of those youtube videos comparing with iphone and s20 ultra can't be real.

there's no way some nobody got their hands on one to take photos like that. the recombu guy said he wasn't even able to use the camera software cause it wasn't quite ready and he's the only one who's been on video with hands on.

also, the phandroid video doesn't give us anything new. those are all gallery photos from the sony website... :/

[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2020-02-24 17:30 ]

Posted by Hawk12
Many tech sites say 4G variant for USA, but sony website says 5G model.

Posted by McKinley
Man, it was ridiculous price before for the Xperia 1 and now it's beyond that.
The question is now whether to stick with the preorder of the Galaxy S20 Ultra or go back to the glorious Sony.
It is the first phone in many years from Sony I want so bad.

Posted by moogoo
@McKinley - maybe there will be a good bundle, which will make the price more reasonable.

still seeing a lot saying it is UFS 2.1 ...wonder what it really is.

@acsarris - yea i hear you. i am hestitant too! the only way i'm getting it right away is if there is a really irresistable bundle that makes the 1200 euro price easier to swallow. otherwise i will just wait until the price drops by the end of the summer or better yet, when the holidays roll around.

[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2020-02-24 20:00 ]

Posted by ascariss
1200 euros is a tad too rich for my blood. I think I'll just buy a new laptop this year rather than a phone.

Perhaps once it drops to 800 euros or less, maybe I will get one. No phone is worth more than 1000 euros.

[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2020-02-24 19:57 ]

Posted by RacSony

On 2020-02-24 12:51:45, Archdragoon wrote:
Guy from factory in Thailand confirmed that Xperia 1 mk2 has UFS 3.0

Trying to get info about DAC from him. Not sure would he know about that.

nice! can you also confirm if RAM is LPDDR5 or not?

Posted by moogoo
are we really gonna take the word of some "guy from factory"? maybe he was mistaken.

i wish sony would confirm.

was also looking into the 5G thing. if sony does indeed disable 5G for US release, i guess it's because none of the US bands are currently supported by it anyway. at least, as far as I can tell. it's difficult to find out which bands each of the US carriers actually supports.

all i can find is ATT will do 5G on 850mhz, which is not any of the bands supported.

[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2020-02-24 21:01 ]

Posted by RacSony

On 2020-02-24 21:49:45, moogoo wrote:
are we really gonna take the word of some "guy from factory"? maybe he was mistaken.

i wish sony would confirm.

was also looking into the 5G thing. if sony does indeed disable 5G for US release, i guess it's because none of the US bands are currently supported by it anyway. at least, as far as I can tell. it's difficult to find out which bands each of the US carriers actually supports.

all i can find is ATT will do 5G on 850mhz, which is not any of the bands supported.

[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2020-02-24 21:01 ]

I don't know about the factory guy, but given Alvin's track record, I believe when he says "confirmed"

Posted by moogoo
@racsony - Alvin is not archdragoon

Posted by Hawk12
Some people on reddit were discussing prices.
Someone pointed what Realme GM said.

For example, the combo 865/5G increases price by almost $90 compared to SD855.
Then you have one new exmor, bigger battery, ToF, the newer screen (I suppose it is not same), they have to create software that has Alpha stuff, faster storage of higher capacity, faster ram.

Xiaomi CEO said ddr5 costs 20% more than ddr4x. That 865/5G is about 2x the 855.

Sadly, this is reality. In few years, there wont be flagship from Samsung, Sony, LG, Google, Htc, OnePlus, Oppo and Huawei for less than €2000/$2000.

[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2020-02-24 21:22 ]

Posted by RacSony

On 2020-02-24 22:15:07, moogoo wrote:
@racsony - Alvin is not archdragoon

you are right. my bad. I mistook him for Alvin

Posted by XperiaJunkie
5 upgrades to get excited about.....

Posted by Hawk12
He looks honest to me.
Unlike other ppl on youtube.

Posted by Archdragoon
Right, Guy from factory can provide such false information. If you think you can't trust. Just ignore it.

Posted by RacSony

On 2020-02-25 01:19:53, Archdragoon wrote:
Right, Guy from factory can provide such false information. If you think you can't trust. Just ignore it.

Archdragoon, my apology if I sounded offensive to you.

I just don't know much about your track record.

I think everyone here agree MVP leaker of this new Xperia is Alvin, although his pain in the ass hints caused us serious insomnia

Posted by moogoo
i think there are still a lot of questions, which happens every year with the new phones. for some reason, spec sheets don't include ALL the details we want to know and on top of that, there are usually a lot of mistakes. we'll know more as time goes on and people do reviews and tear downs.

i'm starting to rationalize the cost of this phone.. i have been in the market to start looking for a nice camera, but if this can cover 80% of my use cases, then it would save me money on a camera.

i'm looking forward to more in depth reviews to see how well that larger sensor works and how well all the autofocus software features works.

and now the long wait begins... no reviews for a couple months and nothing in our hands probably until end of may.

wonder when preorders will start...

Posted by MyP910
I like the photopro app interface.... looks nice.

Posted by moogoo

On 2020-02-25 03:47:31, MyP910 wrote:
I like the photopro app interface.... looks nice.

Did you see an in depth review of it somewhere?

Posted by Hawk12
During the press I could see it has auto HDR mode in photo pro.

Well, soon the only advantage of cameras like rx100 will be true zoom.
Other cybershot are 1/2.3" 18MP , but with 24-700 mm lens.
At this FL, phones use so much digital zoom that photo is not even 1MP anymore.

Posted by RacSony
Xperia 1 II has 128GB version, 10 II with 64GB but seems only for Japan.
https://androidnext.info/?p=2388

Posted by goldenface
@moogoo

I think I'm in love with the purple version and I too am now seeing how to mitigate the cost.

If I sell my Xp5 and my Sony h.ear on 2 headphones then I could be persuaded with a good bundle from Sony.