Posted by Mahdibt67
Hello World
Posted by Archdragoon
Hello space.
Posted by goldenface
Hello? What do we think 2020 will have in store for us?
Posted by Hawk12
My wishlist
Xperia 1 replacement
- 6.6" 21:9 5040 x 2160 HDR / transparent STE oled
- Bravia acoustic surface
- SD865 , 6 + 64/ 6 + 128 , 8 + 256, 8 + 512 (all ddr5 + ufs 3)
- 4000 mAh / 20W charging
- 48MP RGB non-QB 1/1.5" f1.6/f2.0 25mm + 16MP Mono 1/1.5" f1.6/2.0 25mm + Aube + 16MP 1/2.6" f1.8 15mm + 16MP 1/3" f2.0 75mm
- 4K HDR HLG 24/30p @ 70 Mbps with S-log 3
- U.H.S with iso 25600 video , iso 51200 photo, HDR recording and macro .
- selfie 12MP 1/2.3" f1.7 22mm ( behind oled) with 4K30
- usb 4
L3 successor
- 6" 21:9 HD
- SD 632 or similar mediatek
- 3 + 32 / 3 + 64
- 3300 mAh
- 12MP 1/2.3" f1.8 25mm + 13MP 1/3" f2.0 50 mm video 4K
- 8MP selfie
X10 successor
- 6" 21:9 Full HD
- SD665
- 4 + 64GB
- 3300 mAh
- 23MP 1/2.3" f 1.7 25 mm (it is new version of imx300) + 13MP 1/3" f2.0 15mm + 5MP depth
- 10MP selfie
X10+ successor
- 6.5" 21:9 Full HD
- SD712
- 6 + 64 / 6 + 128
- 3580 mAh
- 23MP 1/2.3" f1.7 25mm + 13MP 1/3" f2.0 50mm + 13MP f2.0 15mm
- IP68
- stereo speakers
OBSERVATION : editors from SUMAHOINFO, this is my desire only. Not the new phones Sony will bring in 2020.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-09-05 13:05 ]
Posted by rubik_cat
LG G8's Crystal Sound OLED is suck.
BRAVIA acoustic surface on mobile devices are bad idea. unlike HUGE TV OLED panel, small mobile OLED panel sounds are suck.
Posted by Hawk12
Check sumaho.
Someone posted on weibo benchmark of phone with SD675.
Posted by tonylcc
Interesting enough
Gonna go and observe
Posted by bronxdude
I WANT A NEW DESIGN
Posted by Hawk12
@ tony
what the cat has for us? I give a fresh salmon for photos of prototypes. Could you also please ask if any item of my wishlist has any chance?
Thanks !!!
There is someone on twitter ( by the name I suppose he might be from Thailand or Vietnam) that posts some stuff. I have no idea if he has info or just expresses his wishes. Can someone check this? He follows Nodar.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-09-05 17:09 ]
Posted by blackzeros
https://twitter.com/Samsung_News_/status/1147473317672214528
3220mAh
SM7250 SoC
LG Display
Nautilus Design
10x Zoom Camera
The retail models may feature:
Snapdragon 855 Soc
Qualcomm X50 Modem
*Launch could take place in December/early 2020
well at least we have one rumor about foldable phone...
i forget about the phone with 6 cameras...
As I mentioned last week there's going to be a new Sony phone. Today I heard some things regarding it's camera specs:
— Max J. (@Samsung_News_) June 18, 2019
The specs might be different in the final product do to this device still being in development. The images are based on imagination.
Enjoy the specs!😜 pic.twitter.com/pKWR7L9dTT
[ This Message was edited by: blackzeros on 2019-09-05 17:53 ]
Posted by blackzeros
whatever
the rumor about galaxy s11 will have 108mp sensor and 10x optic zoom so sony really need to upgrade sensors to fight with other brands...
come one sony ,even 200 dolar chinese phone has 1/1,7" 64 mp sensor...
Posted by Hawk12
Samsung Semicon is trying to steal clients from Sony Semicon.
That is why they want to flood market with 64/16MP.
So far Sony is quiet.
Sony has to do something, because it has tons of money involved.
They sold 1,5 bi sensors for cellphones in 2018.
If the 135mm photos are crappy because weaker hardware, photos from 260mm will be useless.
Probably worse than old phones with 1,5MP rear cam.
I dont think they will use any QB sensor.
Except the possibility of higher DR (which is not guarantee), 64-16 1/1.7" has no other advantage over native 16 1/1,7".
It also will absors less light because there is still little space between pixels after binning, like little frames.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-09-05 18:46 ]
Posted by AlvinZahranM
It's Sony's fault if they can't survive samsung's attack on them. I can see them being surpassed by samsung in the coming years. I hope they can innovate further and see Samsung as a threat since I think they're treating samsung semicon like a joke now.
Posted by Hawk12
Samsung depends on Sony because they just copy exmor.
They copied the Motion Eye and Quadbayer.
Their Imaging sector is way below Sony level.
Even with cheaper sensors, most still use exmor.
Something interesting: looks like they heard opinions about what could be done to improve Cinema Pro. New stuff has been added.
https://timgm.eprice.com.tw/t[....]52a035670052ceb4c700d2ac57.jpg
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-09-06 14:59 ]
Posted by profyler
Imaging sensor way below but puting devices on market that rapes Sony photos quality on every comparisson around the web. Yeah right. Sony is the one here with mediocre sales number that should be afraid of.
Posted by Hawk12
I am comparing Exmor and Isocell.
Not Xperia x Galaxy.
Get a Galaxy with exmor and galaxy with isocell.
You will notice difference.
DxO strikes again.
Nokia 9 = 85
Look at this : https://mobile.twitter.com/nokia_anew/status/1169652068451270659
Now you can see why the low score of HMD, LG, Sony and Motorola.
Just read an article that android 10 has serious RAM issues.
I suspect this is why X5 runs 9.
Anyone here uses Pixel as main or second phone?
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-09-06 21:22 ]
Posted by profyler
DxO is only valid when [insert favorite brand/model] has a hi score.
Posted by Hawk12
https://mobile.twitter.com/nokia_anew/status/1169654392565501953
This one is more interesting.
I suppose X1 and N9 do better than Smartisan device.
Lenovo get almost 100, but not Motorola.
Weird.
Z5 = #1 in 2015
X Perf = #2 in 2016
Z3 = 82 of texture for video.
X1 = 42
Same company, same people involved, better hardware, better software.
Worse samples. How is it possible?
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-09-06 22:28 ]
Posted by xpr
On 2019-09-06 16:03:46, profyler wrote:
Imaging sensor way below but puting devices on market that rapes Sony photos quality on every comparisson around the web. Yeah right. Sony is the one here with mediocre sales number that should be afraid of.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
First of all, there's no device in the world that "rapes" Xperia 1. Take it as a fact.
Second and more important, you mix between Sony Mobile and Sony semiconductor to prove your point. Not only that it doesn't prove your point, but the best phone cameras out there use a Sony sensor (which isn't made by Sony mobile).
Regarding DXO, they are full of shit nowadays and you can witness this in the score they give various devices from different manufacturers, not just Sony, and then compare these scores to reality.
P.S. It appears that you're nothing more than a bored internet troll. At least based on this thread.
Posted by AlvinZahranM
On 2019-09-07 02:23:29, xpr wrote:
On 2019-09-06 16:03:46, profyler wrote:
Imaging sensor way below but puting devices on market that rapes Sony photos quality on every comparisson around the web. Yeah right. Sony is the one here with mediocre sales number that should be afraid of.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
First of all, there's no device in the world that "rapes" Xperia 1. Take it as a fact.
Second and more important, you mix between Sony Mobile and Sony semiconductor to prove your point. Not only that it doesn't prove your point, but the best phone cameras out there use a Sony sensor (which isn't made by Sony mobile).
Regarding DXO, they are full of shit nowadays and you can witness this in the score they give various devices from different manufacturers, not just Sony, and then compare these scores to reality.
P.S. It appears that you're nothing more than a bored internet troll. At least based on this thread.
You can't call someone a troll when he has been here longer than you are. Besides, many points he stated were right.
Posted by Hawk12
Other brands get screens from Samsung and have better results.
Phones get android from google and have less issues, better RAM management amd better performance.
Other brands get RAM and storage from Samsung, but they are faster than Galaxy.
You cannot blame Samsung Mobile for this.
Same applies to Sony.
Posted by badassmam
The problem with Sony was never changed, it's the software that needs optimisation because the sensors are greati tried to take a picture of some clouds with a friend's Xperia 1 on a bright day and I either got clouds with a dark landscape or nice landscape without any clouds. His S10 took took the correct picture right away.
Posted by xpr
On 2019-09-07 05:00:17, AlvinZahranM wrote:
On 2019-09-07 02:23:29, xpr wrote:
On 2019-09-06 16:03:46, profyler wrote:
Imaging sensor way below but puting devices on market that rapes Sony photos quality on every comparisson around the web. Yeah right. Sony is the one here with mediocre sales number that should be afraid of.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
First of all, there's no device in the world that "rapes" Xperia 1. Take it as a fact.
Second and more important, you mix between Sony Mobile and Sony semiconductor to prove your point. Not only that it doesn't prove your point, but the best phone cameras out there use a Sony sensor (which isn't made by Sony mobile).
Regarding DXO, they are full of shit nowadays and you can witness this in the score they give various devices from different manufacturers, not just Sony, and then compare these scores to reality.
P.S. It appears that you're nothing more than a bored internet troll. At least based on this thread.
You can't call someone a troll when he has been here longer than you are. Besides, many points he stated were right.
I definitely can. He has got nothing right as I've already explained.
https://youtu.be/9ZJYbhriaCc
Posted by xpr
On 2019-09-07 10:20:37, badassmam wrote:
The problem with Sony was never changed, it's the software that needs optimisation because the sensors are greati tried to take a picture of some clouds with a friend's Xperia 1 on a bright day and I either got clouds with a dark landscape or nice landscape without any clouds. His S10 took took the correct picture right away.
Sony's software is very good.
Go to manual and switch HDR on and leave everything else in auto. To be honest, I wasn't impressed with S10's camera.
Posted by Hawk12
Anyone knows the the scene recognition will mostly choose Landscape.
Just in few situations ot will choose Backlit .
I do not think both can show up same time.
I think they found way to do some stuff without stacked sensor.
X5 comes with 30fps AE instead of 10 found on X1.
If they can delivery IFA phone within 2 or 3 weeks, why not doing same for MWC phone?
They lose clients by making ppl wait until june
E8M_HDR posted this : LG display, 6.1" 5040 x 2160 , 120Hz, WRGB oled ..
I do not know if this is about Xperia or other brand.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-09-07 12:12 ]
Posted by badassmam
Has it go super slow motion? I need that in my life!
Posted by Hawk12
Cam of X5 does not have DRAM.
Reason unknown.
Posted by Tizzo
Sony development manager answers the following questions in eprice interview...
1. Why is this called Xperia 5 this time?
2. Xperia 5 seems to have lost 960 fps of super slow motion recording this time, why?
3. Although the mobile video is very powerful, but the photo is the bottom of DxOMark's flagship phone. How to explain this part?
https://m.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4551/5404649/1/
Posted by Hawk12
I think they are trying to create a bigger gap between Premium and regular.
Z5P x Z5 = only bigger screen with more pixels
XZP x XZ1 = screen and glass
XZ2P x XZ2 = screen and dual cam
For many , the 4K screen only may not be enough to pay extra money .
Posted by badassmam
Thanks Tizzo, well that's disappointing. Wanted the 5 because of the size but the 1 is better but it doesn't fit in my pocket!
Posted by Ppl
There was a talk about DRAM being in short supply, also it may be another place for cost cutting. Or they are keeping them for X1 M2.
I don't understand the fuss about the naming either. It's like the reverse of Nokia and when someone comes first in a race, smaller the number the better. If they named it 2 it'd have been confused with a successor to the 1. I think they wanted to make it clear that 1 is THE flagship.
[ This Message was edited by: Ppl on 2019-09-08 08:51 ]
Posted by AlvinZahranM
I'm very curious of their next year's decisions (and flagship, of course).
I don't want to see them showing their stubbornness anymore. I'm getting tired of it although it's official that sony isn't going to be the brand of my next phone.
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On 2019-09-07 10:20:37, badassmam wrote:
The problem with Sony was never changed, it's the software that needs optimisation because the sensors are greati tried to take a picture of some clouds with a friend's Xperia 1 on a bright day and I either got clouds with a dark landscape or nice landscape without any clouds. His S10 took took the correct picture right away.
That's because Xperia 1's camera acts like Sony's own alpha cameras (and every other camera in its class). But I do prefer s10's level of Dynamic Range. Besides, Xperia 1's detail level and consistency still behibd others.
[ This Message was edited by: AlvinZahranM on 2019-09-08 15:59 ]
Posted by Ppl
Are you kidding? X1 only loses at the very center of the image other than that it has the most detailed shots. If you mean clipped highlights and crushed shadows that's another thing.
And those hdr images are mostly post processing like they're edited in snapseed. S10 washes out shadows to make it look like it has more dr. It's not natural.
Posted by Hawk12
Tech site here used a6400 as target for blind test.
They used Pixel 3, S10+, iphone xs and p30 pro.
A6400 on auto often left background overexposed.
I highly doubt any cellphone would show scene closer to reality than an apsc.
Even xz2 was out, I saw another test with A7s2 as target.
Both had similar exposure looking.
Posted by sidneylopsides
I did a quick comparison of my 1 Vs my RX100IV, there's not as much difference as I was expecting. The 1 does better in high contrast scenes, it does it's auto HDR where the camera doesn't.
Posted by Hawk12
https://www.welt.de/wirtschaf[....]ny-immer-noch-Handys-baut.html
Posted by profyler
On 2019-09-07 05:00:17, AlvinZahranM wrote:
On 2019-09-07 02:23:29, xpr wrote:
On 2019-09-06 16:03:46, profyler wrote:
Imaging sensor way below but puting devices on market that rapes Sony photos quality on every comparisson around the web. Yeah right. Sony is the one here with mediocre sales number that should be afraid of.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
First of all, there's no device in the world that "rapes" Xperia 1. Take it as a fact.
Second and more important, you mix between Sony Mobile and Sony semiconductor to prove your point. Not only that it doesn't prove your point, but the best phone cameras out there use a Sony sensor (which isn't made by Sony mobile).
Regarding DXO, they are full of shit nowadays and you can witness this in the score they give various devices from different manufacturers, not just Sony, and then compare these scores to reality.
P.S. It appears that you're nothing more than a bored internet troll. At least based on this thread.
You can't call someone a troll when he has been here longer than you are. Besides, many points he stated were right.
It's a Sony fan forum. So I can undestand he's a fanboy. No problem with that. Everyone is a troll when you criticise someones favorite brand. But just ignoring facts is ridiculous. Saying every other Tech site is wrong is just... well.. ridiculous. Fan boys forget that the criticism we make towards Sony is to try to make the company get up again and be a real player like they were in the pass. Sony kicked asses long time agora. At least try to see were they are now.
[ This Message was edited by: profyler on 2019-09-09 13:11 ]
Posted by profyler
On 2019-09-09 13:30:36, Hawk12 wrote:
https://www.welt.de/wirtschaf[....]ny-immer-noch-Handys-baut.html
paywall
But thats not news anyway.
https://www.digitaltrends.com[....]onys-smartphone-business-dead/
As I talk to people around other tech forums we joke that Sony and LG develops Phones just to say they can develop Phones nowdays... They hardly fight anyone anymore in several mobile departments.
God I miss Sony from the 2000's....
I really wish and franclly hope they can awake again...
i'm still in the "Go Sony!" team, even if its hard nowdays.[ This Message was edited by: profyler on 2019-09-09 13:23 ]
Posted by xpr
On 2019-09-09 14:02:04, profyler wrote:
On 2019-09-07 05:00:17, AlvinZahranM wrote:
On 2019-09-07 02:23:29, xpr wrote:
On 2019-09-06 16:03:46, profyler wrote:
Imaging sensor way below but puting devices on market that rapes Sony photos quality on every comparisson around the web. Yeah right. Sony is the one here with mediocre sales number that should be afraid of.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
First of all, there's no device in the world that "rapes" Xperia 1. Take it as a fact.
Second and more important, you mix between Sony Mobile and Sony semiconductor to prove your point. Not only that it doesn't prove your point, but the best phone cameras out there use a Sony sensor (which isn't made by Sony mobile).
Regarding DXO, they are full of shit nowadays and you can witness this in the score they give various devices from different manufacturers, not just Sony, and then compare these scores to reality.
P.S. It appears that you're nothing more than a bored internet troll. At least based on this thread.
You can't call someone a troll when he has been here longer than you are. Besides, many points he stated were right.
It's a Sony fan forum. So I can undestand he's a fanboy. No problem with that. Everyone is a troll when you criticise someones favorite brand. But just ignoring facts is ridiculous. Saying every other Tech site is wrong is just... well.. ridiculous. Fan boys forget that the criticism we make towards Sony is to try to make the company get up again and be a real player like they were in the pass. Sony kicked asses long time agora. At least try to see were they are now.
[ This Message was edited by: profyler on 2019-09-09 13:11 ]
That wasn't criticism, it was a load of misinformed nonsense. Sorry to disappoint you.
Posted by profyler
Whatever fits you sweety
Posted by Hawk12
Can someone explain me what's different about the dualshock connection compared to previous year?
I did not understand.
Posted by vivftp
On 2019-09-09 23:11:58, Hawk12 wrote:
Can someone explain me what's different about the dualshock connection compared to previous year?
I did not understand.
What's different is that they're marketing the feature this time
Sony's already got PlayStation remote play on iOS and Xperia phones, and expansion to other Android phones can't be far off now. They've also got their PlayStation Now streaming service that they are expanding and support for phones is something we should probably be seeing in the next year or so. Not to mention the PS5 is about a year away so they're going to want to hitch upcoming Xperias up to that behemoth and hope some of the features and marketing will help bump interest in the phones.
Posted by Hawk12
11 months ago we saw first leak of X10 and L3.
I hope someone decides to leak "L4" in few weeks.
L3 has Helio P22 (12nm) ..
My bet goes to P35 , also 12nm.
For X10/X10+ replacements, I bet on 665 and 675.
I'd choose 7xx for the Plus.
Posted by yuunanase
The new FX-9 has a new picture profile called s-cintone to improve face tone, not a xperia feature.
Posted by Hawk12
Sorry to post this here.
I dont have the link of X5 topic, it has been more than 24h the last comment, so cant find it.
Mr Buks says it has imx563 and two isocell.
Bonus: Crystal LED will be available for regular costumers. Panels to create 16K cost US$ 5.800.000,00 ...
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-09-13 12:52 ]
Posted by ascariss
The thread is not hard to find
https://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=208852&start=30
If you click your own username, and then view posts, it would have quickly shown you the thread you were looking for.
Please stop posting non rumour information here. It just pollutes the thread.
Posted by Hawk12
I did not know I could find by clicking on my username.
I always click on the 24hours or New buttons.
Posted by badassmam
So Xperia 10 and Plus we're absolute sales flops so people are saying the Xperia 20 which exists in prototype form may not be released at the end of the year or beginning of next year. The L3 also flopped hard but it could continue for the budget market.
I've heard nothing about Xperia 1 successor, bit worried actually since maybe the Xperia 20 and XZ4 phones were brutally shut down after doing most of the development.
Posted by Hawk12
I think HK team was responsible for X20.
100% sure phone was killed.
Looks like that guy from Alpha ordered them to kill XZ4 and do x1 instead.
Probably XZ4 was going to be just a 18:9 version of XZ2P.
Mr Buks says X5 is Bahamut.
Where are Sphinx and Horus found when people were digging into the software?
Leaks of midranges were in october, I do not expect to be that soon again.
Unless the penta cam+ tof is the " X1 Mark II" ...
This is weird. I read about many brands.
Everyday I see things posted on slashleaks and tech sites.
I have never seen Uaprof of other brands, just Sony.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-09-13 19:05 ]
Posted by moogoo
i really hope X2 is a worthy successor. X1 was a great first try at something new and away from the current trend, which is great. But there are things to improve and X2 should be that and then some.
I'll be looking to possibly upgrade next year if something catches my eye, so I hope it is from Sony!
Apple has pretty much given up on innovation so it's up to Sony to carry the torch.. otherwise, we're only going to see innovation from chinese manufacturers.
what i'd like to see in X2 over X1...
- robust video editing software ON the device
- added flexibility and features in the cinemapro recording app. i.e., listen to what professionals have said about it and make it even better.
- use their best sensors in the cameras.
- RAW image capability in stock camera app
- headphone jack return (please but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me)
- wireless quick charging (i think sony has not gone this route cause it probably damages the battery more but still.. )
- BIGGER battery please. I don't care if the phone itself is thicker because of it. If it's justified, then i'm ok with it. That'll also give more room for camera stuff.
thats it for now.