Sony Xperia XZ2 Announced

Posted by Tibagy

Sony Xperia XZ2 Key Features:

- 3G Network: HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100

- 4G Network: LTE 700 / 800 / 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 / 2600

- Single SIM (Nano-SIM) Or Hybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, Dual Stand-By)

- Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Dual Band, DLNA, Wi - Fi Direct, Wi - Fi HotSpot, Bluetooth v5.0 With A2DP/LE/APT-X HD, NFC, MicroUSB v3.1 And Type-C 1.0 (Reversible Connector)

- GPS With A-GPS Support, Glonass

- Dimensions: 153 x 72 x 11,1 mm

- Weight: 198 Grams.

- Display 5.7" IPS LCD FullHD+ (~424 PPI Pixel Density) With HDR 10, With Triluminos Display, X-Reality Engine, Dynamic Contrast Enhancement And Corning Gorilla Glass 5 (On Front And Back)

- 64 GigaBytes Memory Internal (UFS 2.1)

- Expansive Memory Up To 256 GigaBytes

- 4 GigaBytes Ram LPDDR4X (3.675 GigaBytes After The System Boot)

- CPU Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 Kyro 385 Gold Quad Core (2.80 GHz) And Kyro 385 Silver Quad Core (1.77 GHz)
(SemiConductor Technology 10 nm LPP)

- GPU Adreno 630 (Octa - Core Graphics @800 MHz)

- Android 8.0 (Oreo) With Sony UI

- Office Document Viewer (Word, Excel, PowerPoint And Reader PDF)

- Camera Motion Eye 19.1 MP With EIS (5-Axis Stabilization), Triple Image Sensing Technology And Led Flash

- CamCorder UltraHD (2160p @30 FPS) With EIS (5-Axis Stabilization), 4K HDR Mode And Super Slow Motion HD (1080p @960 FPS)

- 5 MP Front Facing Camera Wide Angle Lens With Fixed Focus And CamCorder FullHD (1080p @30 FPS)

- FingerPrint Sensor Reader (Rear-Mounted)

- FM Radio With RDS

- PS4™ Remote Play

- Stereo Speaker With S-Force Front Surround

- Active Noise Cancellation With Dedicated Mic

- IP65/IP68 Certified (Dust/Water Proof Over 1.5 Meter And 30 Minutes)

- Standard Battery Li-Ion 3180 mAh (Non-Removable) With Fast Battery Charging: 50% In 36 Min (Quick Charge 3.0)

- Available In Black, White Silver, Moss Green And Coral Pink Colors

[ This Message was edited by: Tibagy on 2018-03-18 18:30 ]

Posted by Tibagy
Sony Officially Unveils Its New Xperia XZ2 And XZ2 Compact Flagships: The Company's First With Screen 18:9

https://www.gsmarena.com/sony[....]mpact_flagships-news-29760.php

[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2018-02-27 09:58 ]

Posted by Vipera ammodytes
Any camera samples?

Posted by doministry
Nice to see a new tech for the camera developed together with the processor producer...
Mentioned here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgxguP_39LU

The one thing which makes me mad is the lack of headphone jack.
What the f..... we need to use this stupid cable.

[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2018-02-26 21:47 ]

Posted by ascariss
6th of April, quick but definitely AFTER samsung launches their S9.

Posted by Bialynia
So damn disappointing. I'll be holding on to my XZs for now.

Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2018-02-26 22:46:35, doministry wrote:
Nice to see a new tech for the camera developed together with the processor producer...
Mentioned here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgxguP_39LU

The one thing which makes me mad is the lack of headphone jack.
What the f..... we need to use this stupid cable.

[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2018-02-26 21:47 ]

SemiConductor Technology 10 nm LPP
- sweet mother Mary!

4K Video recording with stereo sound
- in the words of Popeye "Blow me Down!"

Gorilla Glass Back on XZ2
- WTF Sony ... seriously ENOUGH with the Glass Back! Enough!!!!

@Doministry,

Are you kidding me? You've had at least 1-2yrs from Apple's change from this ... 1 year from 3 other Android manufacturers following suit to prepare for this eventuality. In Fact ... as a former

user, of which :Ericsson: created Bluetooth technology and standards, you've had about 10yrs to know this eventuality was doing to happy someday.

Breathe with me ... Listening to Digital content with Digitial sound that is degraded by converted to Analog sound before it gets to your ears is actually never been a good solution. Sony has done a phenomenal job leading the industry with Amplifiers and great ANC in former smartphones dating back (on Android) as far back as the Z3 lineup ... so hopefully they'll have a solution.

Now I'm aware you're in a band and previously back with the Z2/3/5 you've recorded directly on the Sony smartphone ... are you still doing this? Is there USB-C to 1/4" adapters that would work for say the Guitar and USB-C to Midi connectors?

Posted by HxH
FYI, very first smartphone vendor to cut analog audio port
It is Moto/Lenovo and another Chinese company named LeEco.

Couple months ahead of Apple iPhone 7 and AirPods introduction.

I don't have problem to cripple analog audio port, barely use it since the day of Xperia Z3 compact anyway.

[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2018-02-27 09:32 ]

Posted by DentyCracker
If I hadn't got my XZ Premium in November I would definitely get the green one. XZ2 is a large phone, it has a bigger screen than my XZ Premium albeit not 4k. Wireless charging. No 3.5" jack is a bummer but it does come with a dongle and another one that allows simultaneous listening and charging will be available. 4k hdr recording. This is a damn good phone. Don't knock it till you've tried it.

Posted by tai020381
Waiting for proper review ~hoping sunlight legibility surpass 4000 score.

Posted by doministry

On 2018-02-27 04:15:01, Supa_Fly wrote:

I am not sure you know for 100% what you're talking about.
As a musician though, I can tell you one thing: jack and cables aren't going anywhere soon.
They're 100% reliable and top notch quality, otherwise they'd be replaced long time ago.
Geting rid of this connection on phones is just a f... lazyness.
And for the users - a big sh..t with carrying dongles. F.. the dongles, ask the new Mac users.
Bluetooth headsets? Give me a break. I have a pro level headphones, none of these are Bluetooth LOL.

The end of your post I don't get really, what are you talking about...

[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2018-03-01 23:54 ]

Posted by Tsepz_GP
How is it that this phone is 11mm thick yet has no 3.5mm jack??? What did they do with all that space?

I have not seen a high end flagship that is this thick in a long time.

Posted by Bialynia

On 2018-03-02 04:45:11, Tsepz_GP wrote:
How is it that this phone is 11mm thick yet has no 3.5mm jack??? What did they do with all that space?

I have not seen a high end flagship that is this thick in a long time.

It's a disastrous design. Any originality is gone, I was much more impressed with Nokia and Asus at MWC. I had Ericsson, that turned into Sony Ericsson, and I moved on with Sony. Every Sony and/or Ericsson phone I have purchased had a design or feature that no one else could offer. This phone offers copies of stuff other phones do better. It's so damn disappointing. Sony was the anti-iPhone, now it's just another iPhone/Samsung/LG follower, not confident in its own solutions or design.

Posted by nikola1970

They added dual shock like vibrators inside so it vibrates when you listen to music, so that took all the space

Tell me, is there a more usless feature then this ever made in phones world?

[ This Message was edited by: nikola1970 on 2018-03-02 05:10 ]

Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2018-03-02 06:09:41, nikola1970 wrote:

They added dual shock like vibrators inside so it vibrates when you listen to music, so that took all the space

Tell me, is there a more usless feature then this ever made in phones world?

[ This Message was edited by: nikola1970 on 2018-03-02 05:10 ]

Seriously!? Was this not a feature that Motorola brought with the Motorola E398 (ROKR E1) with the dual speakers that lit up back in 2004? I thought that was a cool feature when I was 14

simpler times in mobile.

I hope that whole mechanism brings some other features with it , as why waste so much space for just that?

This phone looks great BTW, just seems Sony took a few steps back in some aspects.

Posted by Ranjith
Glad to see SONY cut the bezels and refresh the design but that FP readers placement makes the S8's look great.

Lack of the audio jack is a bummer too. Unless the phone is too slim to accommodate it, there is no reason to get rid of it.
Wait, there is...force users to buy their BT headphones like Apple did!

Posted by Gitaroo

On 2018-03-02 07:35:36, Tsepz_GP wrote:

On 2018-03-02 06:09:41, nikola1970 wrote:

They added dual shock like vibrators inside so it vibrates when you listen to music, so that took all the space

Tell me, is there a more usless feature then this ever made in phones world?

[ This Message was edited by: nikola1970 on 2018-03-02 05:10 ]

Seriously!? Was this not a feature that Motorola brought with the Motorola E398 (ROKR E1) with the dual speakers that lit up back in 2004? I thought that was a cool feature when I was 14

its the nintendo switch HD rumble in a phone.

Posted by ascariss
https://www.phonearena.com/ne[....]-of-the-MWC-expo-2018_id102917

Guess Phone Arena likes the new Sony phones.

Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2018-03-02 00:53:51, doministry wrote:

On 2018-02-27 04:15:01, Supa_Fly wrote:

[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2018-03-01 23:54 ]

Physical 1/4" and similar connectors haven't been replaced for direct instruments simply due to compatibility: Concerts more so (live shows) vs recording hardware. My point:

MIDI
Digital Instruments pioneered by Pioneer (Electric Violin & Bass) have both connections.
Roland ... huge in the industry with digital drum kits (they started this btw) and hugely popularized in the very early 90's as a viable solution for home/studio/touring concerts by the Def Leppard drummer (using 1 arm, he lost his other in car accident just 3yrs before their global massively successful Hysteria album tour) capable for doing MORE than what he was used to.
- I have a friend that plays drums for over 30yrs since we were teenagers. He swore by real drums and for the most part still does. However he couldn't play it in his apartment without serious complaints that his dad loathed yet had to force him to live by. I showed him a set of Roland drums in '89 far too expensive yet I said to him digital products drop in price and he could play drums through headphones and nobody will hear anything. He replied Kick pedal, I replied gym mats underneath absorb a LOT of sound. 4yrs later he's got his full kit and loves them!

Ableton, Logic Pro, etc are ALL "digital" professional recording software (others are sold with hardware 1U rack kits for hardware connections; Mugo I think is one) ... how do you think professionals augment/compose a lot of music? Not only by playing instruments.

There are a LOT of high-end quality Bluetooth Amps and headsets that support APTX-HD, WAV and other lossless codecs and can match just about any top end professional wired headsets: and I'm not talking about Beats, Bose, or small BestBuy brands. You just need to dig and research. I'm not talking about strictly bluetooth for our phones. MIDI as we know still has a latency that increases from 8milliseconds when multiple connections are daisy chained.

All in all a specific type of connection (like MIDI when it first debuted was rebuffed) shouldn't preclude horrible quality. I'm sure anyone of us can read about the initial reaction of the Electric Guitar and how it was received regarding use/sound quality and how it evolved Into popular culture especially after Jimi Hendrix blessed it with his soul.

As the connection improves ... your statement of "laziness" (which is when a standard is never evolved) will be applied. An example ... most headphones have only 20-20'000khz range this isn't a limit of the human ears hearing.

Currently in smartphones ... choosing USB-C is a matter of cost over the 3.5mm headset jack. The connection doesn't save on cost itself ... but the ability to not include an onboard DAC is where the savings are.

PS: Food for thought ... how many concerts can you recall an instrument professionally played/used without issue using a wireless connection?

Prince
Madonna
Def Leppard
Metallica
Bon Jovi
etc etc
all had small wireless connections for Guitars, Keyboards, etc to broadcast to an amp yet connected wired to the instrument itself (save for the digital personal keyboards used on a strap over the shoulder that many Funk bands used). That's my point. Bluetooth can and most likely will evolve to get to this professional use, and for the average consumer this is already very capable and useful.

Posted by DACHA
The camera is looking good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9n4tI6S5Hg

Posted by ADIDA

On 2018-03-04 01:59:01, DACHA wrote:
The camera is looking good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9n4tI6S5Hg

is not real test

Posted by nikola1970
Yes, that is fake.

Posted by doministry

On 2018-03-03 22:55:45, Supa_Fly wrote:

On 2018-03-02 00:53:51, doministry wrote:

On 2018-02-27 04:15:01, Supa_Fly wrote:

[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2018-03-01 23:54 ]

To be honest with you, this post is super f... annoying.
You want to teach me? I am so happy for your drummer friend, I will just repeat: I am pro musician
for the last 26 years. So what the hell do you want to explain to me?

It is simple - headphone connector is CUT from the phones because it's just much more simple to manufacture the
device without it. End of the story. The same goes with physical buttons, physical keyboards etc.
Headphone connectors have not been replaced in he Pro department just because they work perfectly.
It's still the most optimal and stable thing. This is not going anywhere.

Posted by badassmam
The is no single benefit to remove the 3.5mm jack apart from Sony being able to sell their more expensive headsets and dongles.

Posted by moogoo
are we still on the lack of headphone jack? it is what it is.. accept it folks. if you don't like it, don't buy it. sony will get the picture..

personally, i would miss it cause i use a wired headset for phone calls as i hate holding my phone for more than 2 minutes. que sera sera... hopefully the pro/premium model doesn't make this same mistake and if it does... it will be re-done in the 2019 model.

Posted by ascariss
I feel if sony goes for an OLED screen in the next high end phone, the headphone jack may return?

Posted by Ranjith
I've got BT earphones, headphones and speakers that I regularly use yet on long bus travels etc I use a wired earphone..mainly cause of the battery. I still feel its way too early for makers to avoid the 3.5mm jack unless they are simply trying to ape the Apple trend.

Posted by tai020381
Benchmark score

Link text...

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobi[....]8/1/rv/sony-xperia-xz2-review/

[ This Message was edited by: tai020381 on 2018-03-07 12:59 ]

Posted by DACHA
Xperia XZ2 gets a Night Light feature after all

https://www.slashgear.com/xpe[....]ht-feature-after-all-07522581/

Posted by doministry
Look at this:

https://www.gsmarena.com/picc[....]66&idPhone2=8804&idPhone3=9081

Posted by miromiromi
With lower ISO used, it really looks noticeably better EVEN WITHOUT HAVING TO RESCALE the photo.

[ This Message was edited by: miromiromi on 2018-03-10 04:11 ]

Posted by McKinley
The photo in the comparison tool displays more details to the XZ2. I am greatly surprised by its image quality. It definitely feels Sony have taken a step or two up in that regard.

Posted by Luca-S
I'll go back to Sony just because of XZ2.

It's simply better than the rest.

Posted by doministry
Well, if you'd analyze most of the other lowlight tests, Sony is usually like ISO 800 compared
to the other phones with 50 or 200. Sony IS usually making great shots, you just have to use
the manual mode.

[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2018-03-10 17:14 ]

Posted by Tibagy
Sony Xperia XZ2 Gets One Handed Mode And Night Light

https://www.mobilescout.com/a[....]e-handed-mode-Night-Light.html

Posted by HxH

On 2018-03-05 17:00:43, badassmam wrote:
The is no single benefit to remove the 3.5mm jack apart from Sony being able to sell their more expensive headsets and dongles.

Not really sure, but AFAIR

iPhone 7 / 7 Plus removed analog audio port and replace it with vibration actuator, so did as latest releases of XZ2

while majority vendors keep reportchose to increase a little higher battery capacity?

////////////////

Apart of pocket-able Sony SBH20 bluetooth headset (6hrs battery)
they also offering WI-C400 neckband with impressive 20hrs battery

Posted by blackzeros
https://www.gsmarena.com/vidc[....]66&idPhone2=9081&idPhone3=8720

i noticed xz2's video is better then any other phone(especially for low light)

Posted by vivftp

On 2018-03-12 13:26:02, blackzeros wrote:
https://www.gsmarena.com/vidc[....]66&idPhone2=9081&idPhone3=8720

i noticed xz2's video is better then any other phone(especially for low light)

Sweet Jebus the XZ2 destroys them all. I made a large pic of the low light comparison between the S9, XZ2 and Pixel 2 XL that I posted on another forum, in case anyone wants it:

[ This Message was edited by: vivftp on 2018-03-13 05:09 ]

Posted by miromiromi
I wonder if DXOMark will still be reviewing Xperias. Galaxy s9+ has already toppled Pixel 2 from the top spot.
Do you think XZ2 can go beyond 99 points?

Posted by tai020381
Photo,HDR 4k Video and 1080P 960FPS clip samples:

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobi[....]7/1/rv/sony-xperia-xz2-review/

Posted by vivftp

On 2018-03-13 17:27:23, tai020381 wrote:
Photo,HDR 4k Video and 1080P 960FPS clip samples:

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobi[....]7/1/rv/sony-xperia-xz2-review/

The XZ2 is a massive step up in the camera department for Sony. Makes me envious sitting here with my XZ Premium, lol

Posted by vivftp
GSM Arena's XZ2 review is up:

https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xz2-review-1735.php

Posted by Tibagy

On 2018-03-13 23:28:29, vivftp wrote:
GSM Arena's XZ2 review is up:

https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xz2-review-1735.php

Cons:

* Chubby and slippery

* No 3.5mm audio jack

*The selfie camera has been downgraded and poor quality

* Capturing slow-mo videos is rather difficult.

* Camera lacks OIS, while the Intelligent Active Steady Shot stabilization is still limited to 1080p@30fps videos.

Posted by doministry
I don't get why they downgraded the selfie cam.
Maybe they leave it to the Premium.

Also XZ2 is 140 Euro more expensive than XZ1 was.
I have to say this trend is disgusting.
I remember phones like Z2 costing 500 Euro max.
Now it's almost double the price.

Posted by milanelo
Reading gsmarena's review, this seems like another failure of a phone from Sony. Sad...

Posted by vivftp

On 2018-03-14 20:51:31, milanelo wrote:
Reading gsmarena's review, this seems like another failure of a phone from Sony. Sad...

Umm, no? The XZ2 is very competitive in benchmarks, and tops many of them. Given Sony's history the real world performance should be class leading. The loud speakers are greatly improved over past Xperia flagships and the audio quality through the headphone adapter actually seems to be even better than the XZ1 with its built in headphone jack. The camera is an overall nice step up from past Xperia flagships due to the new processing. Not necessarily class leading, but competitive. Battery life is strong, beating the S9 in the endurance rating by 10 hours. The design, they seem to feel that should be up to the individual to judge for themselves. Plus it's got unique features like the vibration motor.

How in the blue hell do you read that review and deem it to be a failure?

Posted by XperiaJunkie

On 2018-03-14 20:51:31, milanelo wrote:
Reading gsmarena's review, this seems like another failure of a phone from Sony. Sad...

They praised the display, new speakers, overall performance, rear camera, battery life and the close to stock UI.

Im struggling to see where your point is relevant as in most cases the Z2 out does the S9.

[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2018-03-14 21:06 ]

Posted by milanelo
Wow. Guys, we're on esato, there's no need to act like Sony shills.
For me the phone's a failure. The design is ugly - if you put the phone on a flat surface, it spins like a fidget spinner, the camera is not as good as other 2018 flagships, even 2017 flagships. And the most obvious reason - the removal of the headphone jack and their stupid and pathetic pr nightmare of a response yesterday for its removal. A phone as thick should've had a jack, no excuses besides their greed.

Posted by Luca-S
You just don't like Sony phones and come here to complain about a thing that you will not buy.