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Sony Xperia Rumours 2017


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Posted by josephnero
Hi everyone.Welcome to 2017 Edition of Xperia rumors thread.I'll keep updating and improving the first post gradually.

Reliability rating of rumors
XR1 -Almost certainly fake
XR2 -unreliable source or bad track
XR3 -likely to happen
XR4 -very likely to be on spot
XR5 -Almost certain info-known insider info

Tech Events(likely announcements)

CES 2017:5 -8 January

MWC 2017 : 27 February - 2 March

IFA 2017: 1-6 September


Rumours:

XR2 : 5.5 inch smartfphone with 4K screen, 4GB RAM, IMX400 Camera and New snapdragon chipset

5.2 inch smartphone with FHD Screen, 4GB RAM, IMX318 RGBD Camera and New Snapdragon Chipset

Source :https://www.mobipicker.com/sonys-2017-xperia-g3112-and-g3121-screen-size-resolution-ram-and-release-date-leaked/

XR2:New Flagship WITH Custom IMX318 RGBW FRONT CAMERA, 5MP/2micronpixel LowLight mode

source: SMPTE-120fps-Stand-by-Ang-Lee

XR3 : Likely codenames foir XA and XA ultra successors G3112 and G3121 revealed.MWC announcement is likely
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-16 11:06 ]



Posted by hihihans
Happy New Year!

Posted by josephnero
thanks

Posted by ADIDA
100% Corect is:
new 4K Screen 5.5/ FHD 5.2
IMX400 Rear Camera
IMX318 Front Camera
4GB Ram

Soruce: SMPTE-120fps-Stand-by-Ang-Lee
SMPTE-120fps-Stand-by-Ang-Lee

Posted by josephnero
@ADIDA
any info on CPU,announcement date or event and any new tech?like dual cam or new display tech

Posted by ADIDA
No Dual Cam
MWC Event

Dual Camera Smartphone=September

Posted by XperiaJunkie
Good luck with the new thread and let's hope for a rumored filled 2017.πŸ˜€

Posted by josephnero
@XperiaJunkie
thanks buddy
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-16 15:24 ]


Posted by goldenface
New thread, woohoo πŸ™Œ πŸ™Œ. Good luck.

It would be good to talk about IoT devices too. It'll be a big year for those.

Posted by XperiaJunkie

On 2016-11-16 17:00:15, goldenface wrote:
New thread, woohoo πŸ™Œ πŸ™Œ. Good luck.

It would be good to talk about IoT devices too. It'll be a big year for those.


IoT will be massive this year for Sony I'm sure. They'll wan't to show off a few things regarding IoT from the purchase of Altair Semiconductor. Maybe new wearables on the horizon?

Posted by josephnero
Snapdragon 835 announced but not much info
http://www.androidpolice.com/[....]compatible-usb-power-delivery/
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-17 12:57 ]


Posted by ADIDA
I already say sony's new flaagship with snap835
MWC
[ This Message was edited by: ADIDA on 2016-11-17 13:49 ]


Posted by goldenface
@XperiaJunkie

Speaking of which, Xperia Ear arrives this week. Do you think you'll get a chance to check it out?

http://www.slashgear.com/sony[....]y-arriving-this-week-17464394/

Posted by XperiaJunkie
@goldenface I plan on getting one just not sure when, I like the concept of Xperia Ear as I'm still not sold on smartwatches yet. I'd expect more things like this to come as 2017 rolls on and I think Sony are heading in the right direction with things like Xperia Projector and Xperia Agent I'd also expect Sony to do some kind of mobile VR experience with the new deal they've just signed off with Nokia.


Posted by josephnero
Sony to launch its own lineup of mobile games on December 7?
http://www.androidauthority.c[....]phone-games-december-7-730160/


Posted by goldenface
@XJ

I like the Xperia Agent. It looks quite versatile.

MWC has another event in the Summer it seems.

http://www.businesswire.com/n[....]e-World-Congress-Shanghai-2017

I think it's also time for a new Smartwatch 4.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2016-11-22 19:03 ]


Posted by josephnero
Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 specs leaked

[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-22 21:34 ]


Posted by Xajel
The only thing I'm not understanding about Qualcomm, whats stopping them from going more slow speed ? 480fps minimum, their SoC are more than capable of handling such speeds from basic raw numbers

1x 4K@60fps stream requires same bandwidth and horsepower as 1080p@240fps, which is also like 720p@540fps... even if we consider overhead then 720p@480fps which is like how iPhone have been doing for a while...

I know that such speeds also require a sensor as not every sensor can handle such speeds, but most high-end sensors do.. I mean iPhone is using Sony sensors already !!

Just support it and let manufacturers decide if they want to implement it or not..

Posted by Ambivalent_

On 2016-11-23 07:47:38, Xajel wrote:
The only thing I'm not understanding about Qualcomm, whats stopping them from going more slow speed ? 480fps minimum, their SoC are more than capable of handling such speeds from basic raw numbers

1x 4K@60fps stream requires same bandwidth and horsepower as 1080p@240fps, which is also like 720p@540fps... even if we consider overhead then 720p@480fps which is like how iPhone have been doing for a while...

I know that such speeds also require a sensor as not every sensor can handle such speeds, but most high-end sensors do.. I mean iPhone is using Sony sensors already !!

Just support it and let manufacturers decide if they want to implement it or not..



Is there a phone that supports recording videos at 4K@60 fps? Why do you think S835 would support that?

Posted by josephnero
@goldenface
I'm very interested to see a new SW from Sony.remember the tapered loop design from bond leak?
PS:I remember checking shanghai MWC for last two years. no announcements there
@Xajel
I would also love to see 1080@240fps. I'm a big fan of timeshift which is 720@120fps

@Ambivalent
based on specs it's easily possible.
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-23 09:23 ]


Posted by Xajel

On 2016-11-23 08:42:12, Ambivalent_ wrote:

Is there a phone that supports recording videos at 4K@60 fps? Why do you think S835 would support that?


My bad, I mixed up things ( I thought 820 was capable of both decoding and encoding at 60 )...

regardless of that, why not going faster ? MediaTek X10 (MT6795) & X20 (MT6797) are already capable of handling 480fps not only for 720p but even for 1080p... and X10 was announced in 2014 with devices like Meizu MX5 released in 2015 already having it but I don't know if it's software really supported such speed... ofcourse the SoC had to be paired with IMX220 sensor to be able to handle such speed

Posted by josephnero
BTW do you guyz remember the phone Sony made for qualcomm to show it's X16 modem in MWC? to this day I long to see that phone materialize in a sony flagship.kinda my dream phone design.

[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-23 17:16 ]


Posted by supercoolman

On 2016-11-23 17:34:08, josephnero wrote:
BTW do you guyz remember the phone Sony made for qualcomm to show it's X16 modem in MWC? to this day I long to see that phone materialize in a sony flagship.kinda my dream phone design.

[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-23 17:16 ]



maybe the only good thing about the phone are design and modem?

Posted by josephnero
Yep.I just want this design with new internals


Posted by goldenface
I think I would like to see future Xperias looking less angular. I do like the designs but would like to see a change.

Posted by josephnero
how about the soft plate design from bond leak?We did get the loop design


Posted by goldenface
I just want to see more metal in the designs. There is nothing really premium about plastic IMO.

Also, Sony might launch its first mobile game soon.

http://www.trustedreviews.com[....]obile-games-project-next-month


Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2016-11-24 15:59:08, goldenface wrote:
I just want to see more metal in the designs. There is nothing really premium about plastic IMO.

Also, Sony might launch its first mobile game soon.

http://www.trustedreviews.com[....]obile-games-project-next-month



LMAO ... it just sounds stupid "Sony might launch its first mobile game soon". Sorry Goldenface I don't intend to mean this to you but the media as a whole making that statement - just to be clear.

Sony has made MANY mobile games: PlayStation Portable and Playstation PSP - ALL the games for those are mobile, some specifically from Sony in partnership with other company's. So unless Sony creates one from scratch - wait minute isn't Rachet & Clank pure Sony? Hmmm.

Posted by goldenface
I think you can assume I know that Sony has made mobile games before ha ha. I meant for this new project.

Posted by josephnero
So guyz,I was bored to death and decided to search for some rumors in Chinese social media.here is what I found from poster called ε…ƒδΊ€ηš„ε…«ε¦Ή. I don't think he is a very reliable source so take it with tons of salt.BTW sorry if the post is messy. I'm typing from my phone and using Google translator

Xperia XS release on CES
4GB RAM. New Camera. New Design.UFS 2.1 5.5'' 4K.X-Tend Dynamic Range for mobile.

4K APP include 4K cameras, 4K player (resolution rate / 4K upscaling, ST.2084 support), 4K Music (High Resolution / 4K upscaling cover), 4K alarm (Live 2D 4K Anime), browser plug-in upscaling (picture upscaling).
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-27 23:33 ]


Posted by Archdragoon

On 2016-11-28 00:25:01, josephnero wrote:
So guyz,I was bored to death and decided to search for some rumors in Chinese social media.here is what I found from poster called ε…ƒδΊ€ηš„ε…«ε¦Ή. I don't think he is a very reliable source so take it with tons of salt.BTW sorry if the post is messy. I'm typing from my phone and using Google translator

Xperia XS release on CES
4GB RAM. New Camera. New Design.UFS 2.1 5.5'' 4K.X-Tend Dynamic Range for mobile.

4K APP include 4K cameras, 4K player (resolution rate / 4K upscaling, ST.2084 support), 4K Music (High Resolution / 4K upscaling cover), 4K alarm (Live 2D 4K Anime), browser plug-in upscaling (picture upscaling).
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-27 23:33 ]



Man... That's too good to be true...

Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2016-11-23 17:34:08, josephnero wrote:
BTW do you guyz remember the phone Sony made for qualcomm to show it's X16 modem in MWC? to this day I long to see that phone materialize in a sony flagship.kinda my dream phone design.

[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-23 17:16 ]



I recall this but didn't we get this design and radio tech in the Xperia Z5/Z5 Premium?!
LTE 3
Angular design (I still love this device)
QuadHD resolution - crystal clear screen.

But .... why a DAMN WHY is SONY TOO damn stubborn NOT to use Corning Gorilla Glass. Can't they see they're the pioneers of Glass hardening, molding and the future? Within less than 40yrs Cornings Glass business will eventually replace cement for Houses. Don't laugh we already have block gloss in a brick style for 30yrs; so imagine 10" thick Gorilla Glass 7+ to replace brick in your house. IT doesn't have to be see through and the costs over time will be great, it's it own insulation.

Posted by Xajel

On 2016-11-28 04:47:46, Supa_Fly wrote:

so imagine 10" thick Gorilla Glass 7+ to replace brick in your house. IT doesn't have to be see through and the costs over time will be great, it's it own insulation.



I know this is off topic but are you f... serious !!

There's nothing special about Gorilla Glass, it's just a commercial name of tempered glass.. yes Gorilla made some serious progress optimising it for thin and mobile applications like mobiles and so on, but it stays as a tempered glass after all.. don't except to replace you house bricks with glass, that will be heavy and brittle, not to mention very unfriendly for construction, and ooh.. once it's tempered you can't cut, drill, change it's shape by any mean or it will just shatter.. tempered glass are shaped and cut before the tempering process..


regardless of that, Sony is using another brand of tempered glass called Dragontrail, which is used in Z, Z1, Z2 & Z3 IIRC.. IDK about Z4/Z5 & the rest... some sources claims that some versions of Z3 also have Gorilla Glass
Dragontrail is tough, but some says Gorilla is better although no actual test proved which one is better the only thing we know is

1- Gorilla Glass is more popular among phone manufacturers, including Samsung, HTC, Moto, Apple, Xiaomi, Google ( Nexus 4, 5 & 6 ), and some Sony phones.
2- Dragontrail is cheaper than Gorilla Glass, Is it because it's inferior ? IDK actually never saw any real comparison of these two. some companies also use it mainly Sony, Xiaomi, Lenovo & Meizu.

The bad thing Sony did in their phones ( at least in the past with phones like Z1 & Z2 ) is that they decided to put another layer on top of their screens, this layer is just an anti-finger print layer, sadly this layer is very very weak and you can scratch it easily.. you can actually remove it to have another more resistance film instead

Posted by josephnero
@Archdragoon
Not saying his or her info is correct but except new design everything else is pretty feasable.what makes me doubt him is that he seems to know nothing about photography.says XS will produce more rolling shutter effect which is better(his statement) where as everybody knows what rolling shutter effect is.distorting moving objects.

@ Supafly
no buddy. it's from 2016 MWC.very simmilar to Z5 but also very different and unique IMHO.
BTW your info on Sony using GG is wrong.
back panel on Z2 and Z3 were asahi dragontrail but front was GG. Sony simply didn't use the name because they didn't pay for licenses.anyway XZ has gorilla glass and it's licensed and mentioned in whitepaper.BTW dragon trail X is superior to gorilla glass but only 30K sheet made every month


[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-28 08:41 ]


Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2016-11-28 07:44:03, Xajel wrote:

On 2016-11-28 04:47:46, Supa_Fly wrote:

so imagine 10" thick Gorilla Glass 7+ to replace brick in your house. IT doesn't have to be see through and the costs over time will be great, it's it own insulation.



I know this is off topic but are you f... serious !!

There's nothing special about Gorilla Glass, it's just a commercial name of tempered glass.. yes Gorilla made some serious progress optimising it for thin and mobile applications like mobiles and so on, but it stays as a tempered glass after all.. don't except to replace you house bricks with glass, that will be heavy and brittle, not to mention very unfriendly for construction, and ooh.. once it's tempered you can't cut, drill, change it's shape by any mean or it will just shatter.. tempered glass are shaped and cut before the tempering process..


regardless of that, Sony is using another brand of tempered glass called Dragontrail, which is used in Z, Z1, Z2 & Z3 IIRC.. IDK about Z4/Z5 & the rest... some sources claims that some versions of Z3 also have Gorilla Glass
Dragontrail is tough, but some says Gorilla is better although no actual test proved which one is better the only thing we know is

1- Gorilla Glass is more popular among phone manufacturers, including Samsung, HTC, Moto, Apple, Xiaomi, Google ( Nexus 4, 5 & 6 ), and some Sony phones.
2- Dragontrail is cheaper than Gorilla Glass, Is it because it's inferior ? IDK actually never saw any real comparison of these two. some companies also use it mainly Sony, Xiaomi, Lenovo & Meizu.

The bad thing Sony did in their phones ( at least in the past with phones like Z1 & Z2 ) is that they decided to put another layer on top of their screens, this layer is just an anti-finger print layer, sadly this layer is very very weak and you can scratch it easily.. you can actually remove it to have another more resistance film instead



Actually Yes I'm F'ing serious!

1. Gorilla Glass is NOT tempered Glass. This is not your CorningWare cooking pots, pans and the like from the late 70's to the mid 80's for which Corning Inc. sold off to Pyrex who continues that conumer product.

2. Corning's technologies first used as a ballistic missle's nose cone that ..
a) could withstand heat upon re-entry into atmosphere while,
b) able to still deliver even impact for detonation for impact based missle's in the 60's and,
c) reduce failure rates,

There is a LOT of history!

3. Again ti's not tempered glass there is a another process to this, lime of something but I can quickly research like you should before making such baseless claims.

4. Last year a special was done in order to show that Corning is working on a new front windshield glass composite that better resist roadshide, highway, and on-coming impacts in collisions and they're doing quite well in the early stages
- Bonus marks if you know exactly why front windshields of ALL makes of cars does NOT break off in quarish glass bits like the other windows of every manufacturer.

5. Why would you build a house to Cut, saw, break in say ... 30-60yrs anyway? most don't in any major western country. Further to this ... glass melts, and with serious modified glass it can be melted albeit extreme temperatures. BUT that is the point I'm making ... houses once newly built are not planned and normally not usually torn down in at least their first 30-60yrs.

By your notion that's like assuming skyscrappers should never be lined with Glass but funny amongst the very tallest buildings 70% of the external components ARE glass and NOT brick for various and obvious reasons.

Glass Bricks I've spoke of:
http://travisperkins.scene7.c[....]avisperkins/Glass-Blocks-large

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_brick
Glass blocks in Europe are manufactured in accordance with the European Standard EN1052-2. The International Standard is ISO TC 160/SG1. The Standards allow for variation in sizes and production irregularity. Blocks fall within three classifications; Class1, Class 2 and Class 3 with Class 1 being the highest and best rating with a maximum permissible deviation from designed size and rectangularity of 1 mm

...

Bullet and vandal resistance[edit]
Bullet and vandal resistant blocks are generally solid glass or have very thick side walls similar to pavement blocks.

Fire resistance[edit]
Fire resistance of varying degrees can be achieved by several methods. Standard production hollow wall block will offer little fire resistance; however, resistance is improved by utilising specially produced hollow blocks with thicker sidewalls, or the inclusion of a special layer of fire resisting material between the two halves of the block during manufacture. Some manufacturers of glass blocks have developed a method of bonding two glass blocks together with adhesive, producing blocks of up to 160 mm (6Β½") thick with enhanced fire resistance. It is important that the block manufacturer's recommendations are followed with regards to the installation of fire resisting glass block walls, as without special construction techniques, the wall will not achieve the desired fire resistance.

Gas insulated[edit]
A recent innovation in the manufacture of glass blocks is the inclusion of argon gas within the hollow centre of glass wall blocks. This advancement in production technique has resulted in a glass block which is able to offer significantly improved thermal insulation properties.


^ yes VERY off topic. But don't disclude Glass ... there is a VERY good reason for Glass.
The reason I brought up this whinning is I'd like for a screen to last over a reasonable lifetime of ownership for a smartphone 2-3yrs.

@josephnero,
DragonTail was comparison to GG2 not the current version 3 or 4. Has there been any further advancements? Also Sony kept using a sheet of film/plastic or something over their front glass up to the Z5

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6144&idPhone2=6539
Z2 vs Z3 states nothing to that front was GG.
Search results on this forums don't backup your claim ... even the front pages of the offcial annoucement threads. I do recall conversations but nothing definitive, do you have a link, cause I'm unable to find anything here.
https://www.esato.com/board/s[....]beSony+Xperia+Z3+Gorilla+Glass (Front Panels not the back panels)



Posted by josephnero
Sony support said Z2 uses GG
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5[....]glass-in-Z2/td-p/797741/page/3

For the display glass we use both Gorilla 3 and Dragontrail X but i'm afraid i don't have any detailed information about the rear glass.
Dragontrail info plus devices using it here.
http://www.review-hub.co.uk/d[....]s-everything-you-need-to-know/
Sony Xperia Z1, Z2, Z3

Well there is no doubt XZ has GG. So that pretty much ends it doesn't it mate? Actually I was thinking about 4GB RAM.yes it is enough. Even 3GB is enough but if competition is moving to 6GB there is no reason Sony shouldn't. It's still rumors but s8 is said to top at 6GB.one plus already has 6 GB. Imagine Sony optimization plus 6GB RAM= butter
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-29 10:44 ]


Posted by supercoolman
4K Music? like 192K music? are they going for 24K G soon?

Posted by josephnero
@supercoolman
Honestly I have no idea buddy.I just google translated his posts

just a heads up.X performance official nougat update rolling out.and they call Sony slow.
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-11-29 22:04 ]


Posted by josephnero
I hope Sony has something like this in store too
http://www.oled-info.com/pana[....]-high-contast-lcds-rival-oleds

Posted by josephnero
Mingol
Hot Shots Golf
No Heroes Allowed! DASH!
Arc The Lad Wild Arms
Doko Demo Issho
PaRappa the Rapper
Boku no Natsuyasumi
Disgaea
Yomawari
Sora to Umi no Aida

List of games announced for mobile by Sony's ForwardWorks studio

Posted by Ranjith
Shouldn't all flagships have more than 4GB RAM from now on? Doesn't Daydream VR require a minimum of 4GB? Would be safer to have >4GB to be on the safer side and accommodate any newer techs in the future.

Posted by josephnero
I agree.but most likely Sony will go with 4GB

Posted by ADIDA
New Flagships/Midrange 2017=4GB RAM/2018=6GB RAM

Posted by moogoo
lol

i love nodar and his arbitrary "factual" statements. I wanna try too.

2017 Flagships = 5GB RAM/2018 = 20GB RAM

Gee! Hope I'm right!

Posted by tai020381

On 2016-12-08 13:26:18, ADIDA wrote:
New Flagships/Midrange 2017=4GB RAM/2018=6GB RAM


Adida are you working in Sony? Or are you getting rumours from other sources?

Posted by josephnero
http://m.gsmarena.com/new_rum[....]pdragon_820_soc-news-22189.php

CES devices rumored to use SD820
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-12-15 09:23 ]


Posted by XperiaJunkie

On 2016-12-15 10:23:01, josephnero wrote:
http://m.gsmarena.com/new_rum[....]pdragon_820_soc-news-22189.php

CES devices rumored to use SD820
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-12-15 09:23 ]



I find this rumour hard to believe as the model number suggests its a replacement for the XA rather than a high end device. However If Sony were to throw a high end chip in a mid ranger then what will they do with the flagship of 2017?

Posted by josephnero
So do i.Btw XA2017 design leaked
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]ordable-price-expected_id89055
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2016-12-15 11:05 ]


Posted by blackzeros
similar design to xz, 145 mm is too much for 5 inch (xa 143.6, xz 146 mm) and lack of fingerprint reader? wont be good..

5-inch / roughly 145 x 66.8 x 7.99mm / USB-C

x has sd650 maybe x2 will have sd820 but lack of sd835 device isnt accaptable.



Posted by josephnero
The flagships will have SD835.I doubt it's even ready yet.


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