Posted by Geezay
Small dilemna guys, hope you can help?!
Now that the P990 is stable and the bugs have been fixed - well, most of them it appears, do you reckon it is worthwhile getting it now or waiting for the P1? I currently have a P910 which is due for replacement after a long tour of duty.
Posted by rottwailer
just go for p990 dude!
i have mine for about 2 months now and it rocks!
Posted by Geezay
Thanks for the advice man. And the stability issues people talk about? Have those truly been sorted out now?
Posted by QVGA
if you need a better camera only then get the P1, rest the same as P990
Posted by Cycovision
I've found my P990 to be very stable since I upgraded it to the latest firmware using SEUS.
Personally, the only reason I'd wait for a P1 if I didn't have a P990 already is possibly because of the smaller form factor but having said that, I like bigger smartphones anyway. Less fiddly to use!
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Posted by kalu
don't forget the form factor. is much better for the P1
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-06-08 18:43:30, Geezay wrote:
Small dilemna guys, hope you can help?!
Now that the P990 is stable and the bugs have been fixed - well, most of them it appears, do you reckon it is worthwhile getting it now or waiting for the P1? I currently have a P910 which is due for replacement after a long tour of duty.
magg-oops, SE-flodd
Posted by Geezay
Couple of questions for y'all with regards the form factor:
1. How easy is it to use the P990 with a single hand - without the flip or with?
2. Can anyone who has used the M600 confirm how easy to get used to the keyboard is - especially to message with one hand for example? How would that compare with the P990?
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-06-08 19:03:02, Geezay wrote:
Couple of questions for y'all with regards the form factor:
1. How easy is it to use the P990 with a single hand - without the flip or with?
2. Can anyone who has used the M600 confirm how easy to get used to the keyboard is - especially to message with one hand for example? How would that compare with the P990?
anyone?????
Posted by Cycovision
I can answer number 1 for you...
I'm right-handed but I've found that using the phone with the left hand, it works really well. Your thumb switches very easily between the jogdial (scrollwheel, whatever!) and the keyboard making navigation and button pressing a breeze. Also, whilst the UIQ 3 interface takes some getting used to at first, it really does work much better in flip closed mode than UIQ 2 on the P910 did.
Similar situation with flip open / off but since the stylus is normally used extensively in this mode, one-handed operation is not really an issue. Again, the UIQ 3 interface works much better once you get used to it.
Just my opinion of course
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Posted by maggflodd
... thanks, you cyco...
really!
Posted by koto
I took the flip off a few months ago.At the beginning it was a bit difficult to get used to it but after a while it proved to be very easy and practical. I know that I don't want flip in P series any more. Regarding my P990 it is absolutely stable phone and I do so much with it daily, business and entertainment. But memory issue is still there so one must be aware that multitasking is reduced i.e. memory and usage itself should be monitoring during multitasking or some apps may be autoclosed due to low memory.
Having said all of that I thing you should go for P1 if money is not an issue for you. It has 4 times more ram,better camera and, what is best for me, its 25 percent smaller than P990.
If there was no P1 announcement I would wholeheartedly recommend P990 since that phone gives me so much joy on a daily basis.
Posted by Dogmann
@Geezay
If you can afford it the P1 it is a much better proposition as besides anything else it has an extra 64mb Ram much better camera and and vastly improved OS that currently now one can be sure will make it's way onto the P990. The extra Ram, 15 shortcuts and the improved camera really make it a much better choice IMO.
Marc
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Posted by kalu
hey dogmann,
u forgot one of your favorites features, the graphic accelerator:
the light version (P990) vs. the FULL (P1).
Posted by korbindallis
I got the P990i
last week love it
Posted by Dogmann
@kalu
Are you sure that the P1 has the full version of the PowerVR MBX as that is the first time i have heard that as far as i am aware it is till using the lite version as otherwise it would also offer VGA 30fpfs 640x480 video recording which again i am not aware it does.
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Posted by kalu
@dogmann,
i thought u said that in one of your posts.
apparently, i was wrong.
my apologies.
too bad for the P1 then.
Posted by tonyitalian
just get the p1, y get something tats outdated...or will be once the p1 is out
Posted by Nanu
I wouldn't consider getting a P1i myself as I have a P990i but if I was in your shoes I would probably wait for the P1i.
Hope my twisted sense of logic helps!
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-06-08 21:37:12, korbindallis wrote:
I got the P990i
last week love it
korbindallis multipass, glad you enjoy your fifth element - I nearly bought one this week 
but I have to learn patience! Supergreen!
Posted by *Jojo*
The $$$$ of the P990 of a brand new one at present is less than 50% during it's initial release . . . I know that
's P-series $$$$ during it's initial release is as high as the Mt. Everest . . . if there's nothing much difference betweenthe P1 and the P990, then I guess common-sense DICTATES that it's very IDEAL to get a P990 - NOW !!!
Posted by creepy_maver
YESSSSSSSSSS!
Posted by Dogmann
@JoJo
But the differences are huge, the 64mb Ram is a major improvement and badly needed as is the the shortcuts on the home screen both of these alone make using the P1 a much better experience. Even though the P990 is extremely cheap now it has been out nearly a Year, why buy something that you know is missing features when you can buy a similar device that is greatly improved is MO.
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Posted by *Jojo*
@dog - Yeah, I concur mate . . . if we are after the $$$$ it's very ideal to get one - NOW (pronto !!!!) . . . but if we are after those NEW-features . . . I guess we have to correlate if it's worth the BUY with it's initial release $$$
also, the price of the P1 will take some time before it simmers-down . . .
Posted by mode
@maggflodd
Regarding question 1) :
You can handle it with the same ease as any entry level/mid range phone with flip closed. With flip on, most (about 95%) of the tasks you can pretty much access through the jogdial and back button with 1-2 presses which is a snap, provided that you customize the phone to your settings, and the qwerty board is a pleasure to use if you know how to use them (thumbs inward so your fingertips become vertical). Like I said, you can access most of the things with a single hand in ease, it takes some familiarising with your device before it becomes a breeze though
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Posted by Eric's Son
The P990 is a p.o.s.! Get the P1!
Posted by razec
P1 was supposed to be the stable version of P990 with the increased resolution, RAM capacity, added BB connect, and reduced size. if you wanted a more stable smartphone get the P1. oherwise you would need to always update firmware toachieve better memory management
Posted by maggflodd
On 2007-06-09 03:50:25, mode wrote:
@maggflodd
Regarding question 1) :
You can handle it with the same ease as any entry level/mid range phone with flip closed. With flip on, most (about 95%) of the tasks you can pretty much access through the jogdial and back button with 1-2 presses which is a snap, provided that you customize the phone to your settings, and the qwerty board is a pleasure to use if you know how to use them (thumbs inward so your fingertips become vertical). Like I said, you can access most of the things with a single hand in ease, it takes some familiarising with your device before it becomes a breeze though
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nuddin' can be worse...
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Posted by Merlyn101
Just a point.. It depends on how you plan an getting it too. If you are buying with no 'help' from a provider, then the P1 will be a LOT more expensive initially and so then the P990i represents a bargain. However if you are subsidized by a provider then it would make sense to wait and get the P1..
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2007-06-08 19:03:02, Geezay wrote:
Couple of questions for y'all with regards the form factor:
1. How easy is it to use the P990 with a single hand - without the flip or with?
2. Can anyone who has used the M600 confirm how easy to get used to the keyboard is - especially to message with one hand for example? How would that compare with the P990?
I am very fortunate in that I own a P990i, W950i, and a N95.
I personally find the P990i with the flip one of the best of my phones I have ever used one handed (The P910i was even better as it had a 5 way jog wheel)
The W950 is also good but needs some slick hand work to use it truly one handed.
The N95 is also excellent but no touch screen really limits it for my purposes
The P990i is currently very good value and personally I have doubts as to how quickly we shall see the P1 available to buy.
I would say make sure you buy a NON branded unit, originaly my P990i was a Vodafone unit and they had crippled it with their gastly modifications it was slow and bug ridden and the FW updates flowed like glue!!! but once I had it unlocked and the firmware change to worldwide generic1 it has become a truly indispensable business tool go get one now
Posted by doministry
Quickly:
1. P1i has a great RAM, P990 has less RAM, BUT in fact I have very rarely problems with it.
2. P990 has BIGGER screen, and marvellous one hand operating system with flip. Flip open - P990 has real QWERTY, P1 has semi QWERTY.
3. P990 is cheap!
4. But P1i is new.
So you should choose by yourself.
I have a P990 and will not change it until a real successor of P990 will come. I can work with my phone and do what I want. I don't suffer (Also memory cards are different on these phones, so too much work right now with reinstalling apps and data via computer, without a REAL change of the device).P1i has a terrible form factor for me and my choice of Pseries was also made because of form factor (flip open AND flip closed in one device).
Posted by xerx
stay with the P990i
Posted by Nickp990
p1 is best
Posted by Tehy03
If the money isn't issue, I would wait for the P1i, because it should be available in July
Posted by project_x
P1i!
I need more RAM on my p990i!
Posted by Leks
I traded my m600i for p990i today, just to try something new. I can definatly say that I will get the P1 as it is the perfect phone for me.
From m600i:
The formfactor (Don't think I can stay with p990i too long, dont like the size)
The keyboard
From p990i:
camera
WLAN
+ better RAM
Posted by AbuBasim
On 2007-06-09 15:59:01, doministry wrote:
. . .
P1 has semi QWERTY.
. . .
"Semi QWERTY" is an anagram for "only idiots will like it".
If it's true what someone said that the true successor to P990 is about a year away then my P990i's successor will probably be the E90.
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Posted by Geezay
Thanks guys for all the advice. This has actually made my decision a bit harder! Money is a bit a of issue and a cheap P990 now is very appealing. The fact that the P1 has more RAM is the biggest issue for me.
I hope the OS of the P990 will be upgraded via a firmware to the one similar to that on the P1 - I hope this will further resolve the memory handling issues of the P990. Has there been any word to confirm this from SE? I know they never upgraded the UIQ on the P800 to that for the P9xx!
While the camera is much better in the P1, I wonder if it's good enough to replace a standalone digital camera? Most photos taken using phones don't make it to print.
One question though is WILL SE DELIVER THE P1ON TIME?
So, still debating, but closer to a decision.
Posted by mode
On 2007-06-11 11:11:23, Geezay wrote:
While the camera is much better in the P1, I wonder if it's good enough to replace a standalone digital camera? Most photos taken using phones don't make it to print.
I've been printing photos taken off camera phones since T68i- nothing to shout about here since it's VGA quality, so it's not the best substitute for a camera, but since my S700 I realized that a SonyEricsson 1.3mp is as good as some dedicated cameras out there, let alone 3.2mp. I've never used a dedicated camera since then, and even now 2mp off my P990 gives me excellent print quality- you'd be surprised, because no one would guess that it came from a phone. Higher pixels than this aren't really necessary if it is not for commercial purposes
Posted by koto
On 2007-06-11 18:10:13, mode wrote:
... 2mp off my P990 gives me excellent print quality- you'd be surprised, because no one would guess that it came from a phone.
Totaly agree mate. My P990 camera is the only one I have and I am very satisfied. I use to print my photos here and there and as you said everyone is surprised when told it came from a phone.
Posted by Geezay
Oh, I am so so so tempted to get the P990 now after all that feedback. Coupled with the fact that it is going for about US$400 now....
Posted by Tail
On 2007-06-10 17:31:03, nikolap990 wrote:
p1 is best
Ok, and you base this on??????
Posted by jefefe
when P1i officially launching (maybe a couple of weeks) P990i price will sure drop by alot again, by tht time M600i user may step into a dilemma to get P1 or P990.
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Posted by ares
The price of the P990 already dropped alot...donīt count on a big drop again
Posted by Lents
On 2007-06-11 11:11:23, Geezay wrote:
While the camera is much better in the P1, I wonder if it's good enough to replace a standalone digital camera?
Concerning "much better" - can you prove that somehow ? I'd love to see two shots of the same object ( kind of book with small text ) made by P990 and P1 respectively, with selftimer on to prevent hands trembling. Then I could compare. Currently I have no big confidence in that claim ( that P1 camera is much more better than one P990 has )
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2007-06-14 12:35:08, Lents wrote:
On 2007-06-11 11:11:23, Geezay wrote:
While the camera is much better in the P1, I wonder if it's good enough to replace a standalone digital camera?
Concerning "much better" - can you prove that somehow ? I'd love to see two shots of the same object ( kind of book with small text ) made by P990 and P1 respectively, with selftimer on to prevent hands trembling. Then I could compare. Currently I have no big confidence in that claim ( that P1 camera is much more better than one P990 has )
We may have to wait until the P1 is released for that one
Posted by mode
Yes, but for now I guess the assumption that P1 camera is better than P990 stems from the fact that both are SE manufactured (basically similar quality which is the constant) and 3.2mp P1 is no doubt bigger than 2mp P990 (which is the variable)
Posted by Nitro Fan
Fair point, but it was only meant as a light hearted comment
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Posted by Lents
On 2007-06-15 18:48:30, mode wrote:
Yes, but for now I guess the assumption that P1 camera is better than P990 stems from the fact that both are SE manufactured (basically similar quality which is the constant) and 3.2mp P1 is no doubt bigger than 2mp P990 (which is the variable)
Of course you can be right, but take in consideration that similar assumption about P990 vs P910i does not work well, though both made by same manufacturer and in theory P990 is far ahead in hardware.
So I'd prefer to wait for test shots, then I can judge.
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Posted by koto
If we talk about camera than I dont know if P910 camera can be called a camera at all.
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