Posted by joecool
I was just wondering.. what kind of processor is in the k700i.. or in other models. It would be cool to start a thread with all the phone models with their processor specs (clock speed, manufacturer, etc.)
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
K700-100mhz k750-102mhzW900-104mhzK800-210mhzYou can test your phone with program from this adress wap.jbenchmark.com/ace
Posted by SE Rules
Wow K800 = 210MHz, no wonder it feels soo more speedy than the K750! So stupid question, but what are the 'specs' of the K750 and K800, as in RAM etc, just for laughs
Cheers
Posted by Chrispy
Hey. Cool guys, thanks for the info :)
Posted by Chrispy
you guys know how much ram the above mentioned phones have? any other processor specs (manufacturer etc)
Posted by max_wedge
they use internal memory for ram - so ram is whatever free internal memory there is.
Posted by dotsis
what significance does ram have with these phones?only the k800 needs ram for multitasking.the k700 and k750 are both a pile of poo so ram is irrelevant.
Posted by max_wedge
K800 has no real multi-tasking either. It's hardware multitasking not processor multitasking. Each function that can run parrallel runs on a different chip - for example you can play java and listen to audio at the same time because both functions run on physically separate chips. You can also do this with the K750 or W800.
The K800 does not run a multi-tasking operating system like Symbian.
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Posted by max_wedge
because the games are all run in the one virtual machine - from SE website:
"JP-7 supports a range of JSRs including Advanced Media Supplements (JSR 234), delivers improved performance for 2D and 3D games and Sony Ericsson is the first handset manufacturer to introduce support for multiple, simultaneously running Java applications in a single virtual machine on mass-market mobile phones."
The multitasking is virtual, not hardware. It is the faster better cpu and the dedicated gpu for graphics, not the ram, that allows the K800 to run so many apps at once. It's not capable of enhanced mode multitasking, if it was it would run multiple VM's not single.
"Through new generation hardware with faster CPU, better optimized software supporting floating-point operations and improved critical graphics primitives for 2D and 3D graphics" http://www.wirelessdevnet.com/news/2006/jun/08/news3.html
Posted by kalleboo
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But, multiple applications on a single VM... isn't that multitasking?
Posted by Chrispy
no, explained in max_wedge's post...
Posted by daylevickers
cool 210mhz!!! class my old W900i was only 104mhz, no wonder why the animations were all crappy. The K800i rocks!!!
Posted by kalleboo
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I can't make sense of it though.
"The multitasking is virtual, not hardware."... It's the same on a PC. You don't have a single processor for each program you run, it's virtually split up by the kernel.
Doesn't the fact that it's a single VM just mean that the multitasking is done on a higher level than the OSE kernel, but it's still multitasking?
Posted by Chrispy
whats the t630's processor speed? the s700? just trying to compare my k750i to my previous phones...
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I don't mean that it's not real multi-tasking, just that it runs on one chip (the java chip on the mainboard) which is why it can run a java app or apps alongside internet for example. The JVM is a multi-tasking environment, but the phone's OS is not. The JVM can run alongside other functions only because it is running on a separate processor (in this respect, identical to the K750). Likewise the walkman and the camera also both have their own processor.
My guess is the JVM contains it's own resources, or possibly uses heap memory; java apps on the K750, whose JVM is also on a separate processor, don't seem unduly affected by low main memory. On the K750, you can also use the walkman, surf the internet and run a java app in the background all at the same time (three processors), so the only thing particularly unique about K800 multi-tasking is in the JVM only.
Therefore I wouldn't be surprised if low main memory isn't too much of a concern for java performance.
Posted by simao
Is it possible to run Symbian applications on the k800? is there a flasher or any sort to do that
Posted by wapt
@Simao, Definately not. You can run only Java applications.
Posted by antichrist
sorry if i'm off topic, but whats the highest video played on k800? at 320*240 and mp4
i need to know the video bitrate, audio sample rate, audio bitrate and fps
Posted by Tsepz_GP
This maybe a stupid question bt y does the W900 run such a low processor compared to K800? and wat roll does the NVidia chip play in conjuction wit da processor?
Posted by __knk__
what's the processor like on the k610i? would it be similar to the k800i as they run on the same platform(i think)?
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imagine editing 6 photos simultaneously in photoshop
Posted by max_wedge
Just had a bizzare thought! K800 has 210MHz processor and 64MB internal memory (ie: RAM). I've run a cutdown version of windows 95 on a Pentium 75 (75MHz) and 6MB of RAM with an install footprint of 24MB (that in itself is another story). So that means theoretically, with an efficient emulator running on java, it may be possible to run Windows 95 on a K800!!
Posted by __knk__
im pretty sure it doesn't quite work like that
the mhz is the how many clock cycles in a certain amount of time, this is why a pentium at 3.0ghz can be matched or outperformed by an amd(say 3000+) which would run at like 1.8ghz because amd do more work per cycle but the clock speed is slower.
therefore im guessing that the 208mhz on the k800i doesnt have anywhere near as much work per cycle as an old pentium machine....but hey hopefully im mistaken
^^^btw im not 100% on all that^^^
Posted by Chrispy
@max:
if you were to attempt such a outlandish scheme, may i suggest Linux, as it is far more flexible then Windows. (not that I believe it's possible) of course, you could prove me wrong
Posted by __knk__
yeh linux would be more suited due to it being much more customisable but its never gonna happen...
edit: just had a thought lol, bochs x86 port for j2me? pretty ridiculous but worth a shot:P
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Posted by Chrispy
you never know...
Posted by max_wedge
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Yep bochs for java would be nice! I've run dos on a pocketpc, but not windows yet. Apparently it's possible.
But yes Linux would be better.
By the way, you are right in essence about processors, but not quite. All processers have only one clock cycle per cycle (obvious if you think about it). What's different is that some processors can handle more instructions per clock cycle due to internal cpu architecture.
I disagee with you that AMD are faster or better for several reasons: they run a lot hotter than pentiums, so while they run slower it's so they don't overheat. The hotter running means they are less reliable if case heat buildup is a problem, so for many applications Intel are the most reliable option (regardless of performance).
But while an 1800MHz AMD does do roughly as much work as an Intel running at 3GHz, it's pitched in the market and in price segments at 3GHz Intel chips. So you really aren't getting anymore bang for buck. For some applications (namely intensive graphics ie: floating point operations) performance is better for an equivalently rated intel CPU.
But for applications that don't use 3DNOW, most of the advantages of the AMD disappear. For most common business or home software, an AMD running at 1800MHz will be less zippy than a 3GHz Intel.
To run an AMD 3DNOW processor you need good cooling. To give an example, I saw an AMD chip crack in two when someone booted a machine without the fan and heatsink attached. This happended within 2 seconds of booting the machine. The machine was cold to start with. An intel you could run for 10 seconds or more before the machine would lock up, and then if you turn the machine off and let it cool down, reattach the fan, it will usually still be in perfect working order (but PLEASE no one try this anyone!).
Posted by shyam335
I think it has more to do with manufacturing process than architecture (in this case).And hammer's werent meant to be speed daemon's as netbursts..
Clock to clock there was no competition..
arm9 vs p2 might be very difficult to compare (risc and cisc,diff topic,arm would be more efficient.)
Posted by max_wedge
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The manufacturing process can't make a chip faster per se (for a given clock speed - it speed is it's speed), though it can improve the efficiency (less heating for a given clock speed). Unless of course you mean the internal design, which is the architecture is it not? The internal design can allow one x86 processor to be able to process more instructions per clock cycle than a competing x86 processor.
It's exactly the internal architecture of the two chips that makes them different (and also the same - they both use x86 architecture, but each have their own approach to caching, pipelining and multimedia (floating point) operations). AMD 3DNOW instructions are more advanced than the MMX that intel uses, so AMD is better at games, 3d rendering etc. But that's the only real advantage AMD has over intel, and AMD use that advantage to claim an 1800MHz chip is equivalent to an Intel 3GHz, but that only really applies where floating point calculations are required. Anything else and the intel kicks arse.
Risc and ARM however is a completely different cpu architecture, not really comparable at all to x86 processors. RISC processors are more advanced than both Intel or AMD x86 processors.
Posted by __knk__
well thats interesting....i was expecting some intel supporters to step in when I said what i did about the AMD cpus. anyway i use amd(athlon 3500+) mainly because of the significant price difference to the pentiums i was looking at....does the job for me neway:)
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@max wedge: even running dos on the phone would be a great step imo...play all my old school street rod:)
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Posted by shyam335
I meant arm was derived and hold more similarities to RISC,than CISC..
How is RISC more advanced than CISC?
The manufacturing process determines the clock of a uP to a great extent besides architecture of course (Thats why we didnt see a 4Ghz netburst)..
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Internal architecture can't improve the clock speed (architecture means the design of the chip's logic circuits, not the materials or processes used to build the chip), but it can improve how many instructions are performed for each clock cycle, which in turn increases the processing speed (but not the clock speed)
The manufacturing process ultimately means faster chips. But they are reaching the limit of the manufacturing process, which is why they are now using dual (and quad and higher) core cpu's - to add more processing power for a given clock speed (almost double).
RISC processors use less transistors to achieve the same results as CISC, so the hardware overhead is lower for equivalently powerful CISC processors.
btw, both Pentium and AMD chips are CISC. PowerPC on the other hand is RISC (but apple don't use it anymore), and many phones are RISC (ARM). Eventually, Intel and AMD may bring risc architecture to desktops also, though for now they seem to be happy to keep adding more x86 cores to the CPU.
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Posted by shyam335
Then how could cedar mills clock higher than comparable processors so comfortably..
I dont think this RISC and CISC names hold too much these days,as both camps using these have borrowed and implemented ideas in their uP from each other.
I cant see intel and amd bringing a pure RISC uP to desktop anytime soon..
and both of em are pouring in cash to x86 and x86-64.
Posted by brownie1989
just to take the piss.what processor has my oldest fone the t610 got.
LMFAO this should be funny.
Posted by max_wedge
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oh they'll keep pushing the envolope, so better manufactured chips can run at higher speeds. But it's the internal architecture that determines how fast a chip can calculate things for a given inside bus speed. For example a single core cedar mill P4 may clock at 4.2GHz, but a dual core chip running at 3GHz will best it. Or as they are now doing, Double Core (two cedarmills sandwiched into one form factor)
But you are right to an extent, and risc is probably only really useful in small devices where low power and low heat are a requirement.