Posted by boy.in.PINK
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/rip-symbian/
We all know that Nokia, thanks to it's newly appointed CEO, had a strategic partnership with Microsoft which was announced earlier. Part of that announcement is making Windows Phone 7 as Nokia's primary operating system in focus. It was announced that in line of the changes in strategies, Symbian will be a "franchise OS". But apparently, according to the slides Engadget posted, WP7 phones will wholly consumed Symbian based phones by [apparently] 2012.
Follow up report:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-workers-mourn-death-of-symbian-thousands-walk-out/
Posted by goldenface
Good riddance to a slow, buggy, antiquated OS which in most cases requires endless bug-fixing updates. It should have been a 'thing of the past' years ago.
Onwards and upwards.
Posted by ares
Symbian died for me when SE let UIQ die
Posted by Dups!
On 2011-02-16 11:48:47, ares wrote:
Symbian died for me when SE let UIQ die
Yes, you and me both have always agreed on this. If Nokia wasn't arrogant they could've saved Symbian by using UIQ as their main touch interface and just ported some elements of S60 into UIQ.
The UIQ labs' last beta version of the interface was simply brilliant! That was what was supposed to replace UIQ 3 and it could've made life complicated for the likes of iOS and Android.
Posted by goldenface
+1
UIQ was a great loss. It was exactly the right time for UIQ too. I remember the mock touch UI that was featured on the site and it was pure wizardry.
Now we have one less OS that could have been something wonderful.
Posted by strizlow800
On 2011-02-16 13:13:46, goldenface wrote:
+1
UIQ was a great loss. It was exactly the right time for UIQ too. I remember the mock touch UI that was featured on the site and it was pure wizardry.
Now we have one less OS that could have been something wonderful.
I agree with this... Symbian UIQ was good. I never liked the other Symbian versions, but it's strange such operating system to end after years of experience. It had also many developers making software for the System.
But Android rules now
Posted by goldenface
Ah, but there might just be a Plan B here.
Posted by boy.in.PINK
Yes! UIQ rocks! I loved it when I tried the W960i a few months back. The UI is simply amazing than what we got on S60. But UIQ died because of Nokia's selfish ambitions. Then that happened. They have to drop Symbian.
The original plan is that Symbian will be supported till 2012 then they'll drop. Looks like Plan B makes Symbian having the same fate. It's just getting longer before they truly kill it and they will not have WP7. Whatever plan goes, Symbian's fate have been already set.
And BTW, the Symbian freaks are having a war out there, especially against Elop. They don't accept that Symbian's days are been numbered.
Posted by lelando
Agreed symbian also died for me when UIQ died dam I miss my p800 now with its built in IR port. Sounds stupid right but I miss the days when I couldcontroll my tellevision with my mobile phone using Psiloc ir remote damm I used to pull pranks on people everywhere even i the mall when people were watching rugby just before the player would score a touchdown I would change the channel geez it was hilarious.
Posted by leenaRay
nokia will be making windows phone from now on
Posted by raplunatic
i cant wait for the phones
Posted by Jkovacz
wow, since I last visited ESATO suffers from rumour-flu? Symbian is not dead... the financial report they submitted 'implies' more handsets at LEAST until 2013. And as to obsolete - it seems to me these days nothing becomes faster obsolete than a version of Android. All the "ooh I want 2.1...oh wait, I want 2.2...oh, duh, when will I get 2.3...aaaaaaargh"... Well, there... #biteME
Posted by exaflare23
On 2011-02-16 16:39:55, boy.in.PINK wrote:
Yes! UIQ rocks! I loved it when I tried the W960i a few months back. The UI is simply amazing than what we got on S60. But UIQ died because of Nokia's selfish ambitions. Then that happened
i dont get it why blaming nokia for the death of UIQ, its SE whos reponsible for that, because SE is poor compare to other manufacturer they cant developed the UIQ or create a new OS.
Posted by epdm
On 2011-03-22 14:22:21, leenaRay wrote:
nokia will be making windows phone from now on
No they won't. They haven't even got working prototypes.
Ppl forget that Nokia made "plans" (and there's something about a "strategic partnership" whatever that means) to replace or at least co-excist WP7 next to Symbian. There WILL be updates as Symbian^4 is still on the roadmap although not as S^4. This means that all current S^3 phones will get updates at least upto 2012. Which isn't bad IMHO. Most other phones (e.g. Samsung or HTC) last only one generation and hardly get any upgrades. I once had a Samsung SGH-i900 Omnia. A suposedly popular model yet Samsung NEVER released any updates for that model (though technically it was able to run WM6.5 instead of the supplied WM6.1). They just forced the less capable Omnia II upon us. In fact SE is playing also ping-pong with its own models. I mean what's with the SE X10, a year old released with an outdated OS and remember the hassle whether 2.1 would be released for it (the same with Froyo).
Anyway ppl also forget that sometimes ppl use Nokia's for other reasons then fanboism. I currently use a C7 because these Nokia's are the only smartphones that are capable to record phonecalls. Sure SE (and also Nokia) featurephones (of which I enjoyed many) can also achieve this. But there's currently no Android smartphone capable of doing that. Except for the ZTE Blade/Orange San francisco, which isn't available in my country. My former Samsung Omnia was able to record phonecalls while it's successor couldn't, and none of the current new WP7 phones can do it either.
The last None-symbian smartphone that I owned an Acer Neotouch S200 (snapdragon cpu, WVGA screen and all the bells and whistles) was able to record calls too (but only on the phone not when routed to a bluetooth headset). Unfortunatly that WM6.5 device broke down fairly recently. So in my case, I simply HAVE no choice. I tried recording calls one a friends N8 (and i loved it). It can even record calls when over bluetooth headset/handsfree. I tried a Wave II from another friend who can't record calls either.
What will happen after 2012. I'll guess I just scavenge another Nokia S^3 device since they're the last breed of smartphones capable of this.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
-X10 will be recieving 2.3 Gingerbread end of this quater.
-Plenty of Call Recording Apps in Android Market.
Posted by Miss UK
wont Nokia do a android phone at all?!
cos if they did I bet it would be the bomb
btw yeah Symbian has lost it nowafter owning several of those N's and E's phone
i would surely not ditch any phone for one to replace it again!
Posted by Marly
On 2011-04-29 23:04:46, Miss UK wrote:
wont Nokia do a android phone at all?!
The way it looks now, they won't, and I think this is good, there are already so many companies producing Android phones, shopping for a new phone gets boring, with almost all new high-end phones running Android.
For the first time in years I didn't know months before, which phone to pick, when renewing my contract, so I have chosen sim-only for now
.
Hope this fall (Xmas season
) will bring something new and interesting.
I also miss UIQ, my P990i had no problems and I've enjoyed using it, still have it btw.
Posted by razec
i would have loved seeing Satio and vivaz running the UIQ demo ui posted a long time ago on the web site as that would perfectly remind the world that Symbian is the true touchscreen innovator. one thing i miss about symbian is their extensive theme support which is gone with android
Posted by Bonovox
On 2011-04-29 23:04:46, Miss UK wrote:
wont Nokia do a android phone at all?!
cos if they did I bet it would be the bomb
btw yeah Symbian has lost it nowafter owning several of those N's and E's phone
i would surely not ditch any phone for one to replace it again!
I think if Windows 7 fails Nokia may join the Android wagon but they may be too late by then
Saying this I have played with a live Nokia E6 recently with Symbian Anna & it's a great improvement & a nice handset with a stunning screen.
Posted by jj03
i hope windows fails...i loathe wp7. symbian was great for me...thanks for the memorys.
Posted by Bonovox
I still have no issues with Symbian mainly the newer versions. It's perfectly usable to me. And newer versions it's not slow as people make out. I would love a Nokia E6
Posted by Miss UK
same here Marly I can upgrade myphone right now but even though those Galaxy S II's are right now they dont exactley do anything my curent phones does so Im awaiting just like you
Nokia seem to be doing similar phones that look alot like blackberrys,
ive never ad a blackberry but ive been told there boring but they look pretty nice
I would like if Nokia went away and made Simbian OS more Exciting that what it is
if they put a touch of Android into it I think it would do well for them
Android has grown very sucessful nd yes it around in your face alot but again
its enough to make Apple squirm abit
Posted by jplacson
Symbian died for me when they killed off UIQ. UIQ was the only viable OS they had after the Psion days. The Series 40/60 stuff is just crap. S^3 has potential, but I feel it's too little too late. If they had just kept UIQ and developed it, instead of coming up with S^3, they might've been more successful.
Posted by jj03
@missuk, so what phone are you using now that does everything the gs2 does? just curious....
Posted by Bonovox
Nokia is planning new S40 phones with 512 ram & 1ghz processors. All very well but it's a dumb phone OS with no multi tasking
Posted by bl-gr-n
To me Nokias Support of Symbian sometimes seemed more like exploiting that OS.
I saying that as a former Symbian and SE Vivaz Pro user. If Nokia really wanted Symbian as universal phoneOS.
Why did they lock it down so hard for their own phones?
Still Nokia is developing the Symbian with Anna and Belle versions.
If Symbian where to die just because Nokia eventually drops it support for the OS, then there would not be any Linux or BSD OSes for PC either.
It's on the user it all depends, and of course those who still will create software for the Symbian phones.
I think their are millions of Symbian users and when Nokia (takes their dirty paws of the Symbian) I might get me a cheap Nokia phone, just for the fun of testing the Symbian
Posted by Bonovox
From what I have read & also played with I am liking the new Symbian Anna & Belle can only be even more exciting. I have no problem with Nokia at all I still think they are a decent brand whom are unique. They make stunningly designed handsets with premium materials especially some of their new handsets. But yes maybe the OS & software could be better but I do not see it as useless or unusable. I am looking at getting the X7 or E6 soon as my 2nd device. Nokia is functional,design,reliable,durable,great battery life etc. Android yeah is great but it's still a little messy at times imo. I hate the old Symbian 3 which was
but I like the new fresh look & functionality. I did have the Nokia E5 last year & the web browser on it was really fast & the battery went on for 4 days.[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2011-07-24 21:20 ]
Posted by hibiskus
@bono
Well reality is quite oposite. I know few mobile repair guys in Serbia, and they all agree that Nokia now is crap quality. Outside case is well designed and used good materials, but inside motherboard, microfon, flat cables, and rest of electronics is totally lame, and they all agree that Nokia is currently brand with most malfunctions especially 6700c, and C5
[ This Message was edited by: hibiskus on 2011-07-24 22:15 ]
Posted by Bonovox
6700c?? My brother has had one of them as a spare for two years with not a single issue
Posted by rikken
If I had to get a Nokia it would be the N8, not the worst one out there
Posted by Bonovox
N8 is fantastic device I wish I still had mine as the Anna update is coming to it soon which gives it a qwerty at last
Posted by rikken
A friend of mine has one and he is indeed happy with it`s performance
Only symbian device I had was the Satio but SE screwed that up Anna will be great I believe, will make the phone faster and more usefriendly Also exited about the upcomming Meego.
Posted by Bonovox
I am in love with the Meego based N9
Love it!! Symbian Belle will be the update that will make it more like Android in many respects.
Posted by rikken
Has the N9 got a release date yet ?
Posted by Bonovox
Not sure I may have to look at GSM Arena it may say there under the listings of devices. EDIT: It says coming soon
I want the black version though cos the colours are a little bit garish For me a Nokia with a massive high res screen,1 gig processor(or dual core),& 1 gig ram with fantastic hardware & software inside is the perfect match. From my experience(but not some early Symbian models) Nokia phones always lasted a long time & were reliable.[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2011-07-25 00:08 ]
Posted by rikken
Black is the best color on a phone imo
Posted by Bonovox
As long as it's not too glossy though
Just watching the video of the N9 on GSM Arena & it looks so gorgeous. Something from my experience with Nokia is just like ANY manufacturer. That early software from handsets released is always a bit buggy. Nokia has this problem like any,but they have good support for updates imo & can be done OTA too unlike some.
Posted by Bonovox
Symbian Belle video which looks good. It enables the notifications area like Android(I can see Google suing Nokia next)has bigger widgets & shortcuts to move anywhere on screen like you could not do before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZePeLU_VZ8
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2011-08-22 22:07 ]
Posted by etaab
If they do sue, they'll have to sue apple since they're adopting the same drop down notifications area, aswel as Samsung with Bada, which also has the same feature with touchwhiz.
Posted by Bonovox
Oh I see so they can sue Apple then
Posted by etaab
Its basically a good idea everyone has adopted, just like kinetic scrolling and pinch to zoom.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Doubt Google will sue, they don't roll like that, they are too busy taking over the world and building consumer profiles on all of us.
Posted by Bonovox
Posted by vlotnet
Sad I never tried UIQ.
I like Symbian a fair bit.
As long as the phone is stable.
Nokia has had some terrible quality control on both their phones and PC software.
Nokia still has a particular strength with its qwerty bar Symbian phones (non-touch).
Android is nowhere here.
Last I checked, you can't even send files over bluetooth with Android (without an app, that is).
Also the last I checked, there is no PC Suite equivalent for backing up your data locally (not over the net).
Posted by jj03
i use kies to backup my apps (and titanium backup) and you can send files.over bluetooth on android, tho i use wifi direct (gs2) as its.much much better than bluetooth and much faster...1.2gig film.took me less.than two minutes to send to another gs2.
Posted by masseur
Steve Litchfield's latest vodcast has some interesting thoughts on the subject of Symbian R.I.P.
Posted by Dups!
@masseur
When you wrote 'interesting thoughts' I thought they would be interesting but I remembered this is Steve of 'All about Symbian' and I went in with that view into that podcast.
Well, it turns out he hasn't changed one bit, he is still holding on for dear life to Symbian. He went on to promote Nokia's Symbian phones and features that I started thinking of his site.
He says at the end that it is not yet Symbian's funeral which suggests that he at least is seeing that the writing is on the wall.
Posted by altemyr
I bought my Satio about 2 years ago, and I'm sorry to say that me and Symbian never became good friends. After the first months and a couple of firmware updaes, the sharpest edges were removed, but the phone merely did it's job, not more. Most of the times, when a 3rd party developer announced an interesting app, it was available for iPhone and Android, but very seldomly for Symbian, and in those rare cases there actually was a Symbian version offered, I was usually redirected to OVI store, where I was not welcome, since I did not have a Nokia phone.
Just recently, I bought an Xperia Ray and I will probably never ever even consider a Symbian phone again.
Posted by max_wedge
I'm pretty much the same. I love the Satio, it's been a great phone, but in spite of s60 not because of it. S60 is retarded. Slow and clunky, very little application support compared to iphone or android even though it's been out longer. Hard to find apps by searching all over, have to try numerous shit freeware/trialware apps before finding what you want, if you can find it at all.
The Satio homescreen is one of the few things that actually makes sense about s60, it's a brilliant addition to the s60 platform, I wish I could port it to my Samsung i8910. Ironic that the best thing about Satio OS is actually the SE shell.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
It must be awful to use Symbian at this point, i see many local business etc...designing great quality apps for iOS and Android e.g. First National Bank whom i bank with have an Android app that lets me do transactions, do VoIP calls using my bank balance from anywhere in the world, find nearest ATMs using GPS, keep track of my foreign exchange account etc... its made banking so simple, and such an app doesnt exist for Symbian, that alone has me put-off Symbian, i simply cant go back to crappy mobile site banking. Some tertiary institutes here are also in the process of creating smartphone apps for iOS, Android and BB as many students now own smartphones, many Airlines are also creating apps, and its sad to see Symbian be forgetten.
Apps have become very important part of owning a smartphone, funny thing is back in the day Symbian had plenty of apps, there was never a shortage, on a daily basis there were multiple apps, games, mods/tweaks etc...to be done, now all that has almost completely left Symbian, shame realy.s using GPS, keep track of my foreign exchange account etc... its made banking so simple, and such an app doesnt exist for Symbian, that alone has me put-off Symbian, i simply cant go back to crappy mobile site banking. Some tertiary institutes here are also in the process of creating smartphone apps for iOS, Android and BB as many students now own smartphones, many Airlines are also creating apps, and its sad to see Symbian be forgetten.
Apps have become very important part of owning a smartphone, funny thing is back in the day Symbian had plenty of apps, there was never a shortage, on a daily basis there were multiple apps, games, mods/tweaks etc...to be done, now all that has almost completely left Symbian, shame realy.