Elm Or W995 ? - Esato archive

Posted by fluke9
So what do people think ???

Should I get an Elm or W995 ???

Camera mainly, Elmm pics appear better.

I can't decide

Posted by anouk82
go for ELM

Posted by Bonovox
If you want camera quality then the Elm is much better. The 8 meg on the w995 makes little difference pictures are more noisy & it suffers purple fringing. The w995 is better for music & other stuff but for an all rounder the Elm cos it has it all but with a decent snapper too. Only downside is the screen sensor in lowlight goes a little too low in brightness terms but it's not that bad & it is good in bright light anyway.

Posted by anouk82
...as i said get an ELM

Posted by Bonovox
Go get ELM but I am still shocked how the w995 is still so expensive after so long on the market. Cheapest right now is Ł179 in Phones4U was Ł149 at O2 but has since been taken off from their range

Posted by NoroBiik

On 2010-08-15 20:12:18, fluke9 wrote:
So what do people think ???

Should I get an Elm or W995 ???

Camera mainly, Elmm pics appear better.

I can't decide

As others have mentioned, Elm camera wise is superior to the W995 except in those occasions where you"re completely reliant on the LED flash (W995 flash is much stronger). Internet wise, W995 is superior because of the 2.6 inch display , the speaker are also better for podcasts.

Posted by fluke9
Thanks guy's.

Is the Elm's video recording better ???

And what about the X10 Mini or Pro ???

[ This Message was edited by: fluke9 on 2010-08-16 11:35 ]

Posted by Bonovox
Elm's video is VGA whilst W995 is QVGA. No brainer. Also the X10 Mini & X10 Mini Pro great cameras again with VGA video but only basic camera settings

Posted by Rookwise
I'd go for the Elm as well.

Posted by plankgatan
go for w995. MUCH better phone overall. screen,design,walkman player,build quality and so on

Posted by Bonovox
W995 better build? I don't think so. I had 4 replacements when I had it & all had sliders that literally rattled(no kidding)at the bottom part. Also camera was poor(imo)screen & music yes is better but also regarding build. The back cover. Never fitted properly or clicked into place. Nothing wrong with Elm's build at all it's a nice solid device. @Plank even though X10 Mini is Android can the camera still be modded? I know little or next to nothing about modding. Only mods

Posted by rikken

On 2010-08-16 22:06:38, plankgatan wrote:
go for w995. MUCH better phone overall. screen,design,walkman player,build quality and so on

Great phone, never had any issues with mine

Posted by Bonovox
Yes it's a good phone but camera though 8 meg is poorer

Posted by plankgatan
poorer. hope you kidding a bit here.

995 camera is often very good (and yes sometimes weak),
but tell me some cellphone-camera who performs 100% accurate)........at least you get rid of the yellow nuance as ELM produce.

ELM produce slightly sharper pics though

but, overall

camera wins ! (better, more natural colours)

ps..
about

995 build quality...i think its very very good.....not many cellphones who feels as robust as

995.

[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2010-08-16 23:51 ]

Posted by Luhccas-U1a

995 more natural colors?
Now you're kidding,right?
The abundance of purple fringing and the smeared details is a BIG disadvantage...
The yellow nuance can be tamed using WB settings,AFAIK.
The poor module camera on

995 not.
Of course,i'm talking about the camera only.
The over(not at)all,yes,the walkman is better.

Posted by reeflotz
Depends on what feature you are looking for, Camera mainly, Elm is way better than w995. Sounds and display the w995 is better than Elm, might I suggest Hazel?

same 2.6 screen size and vibrant display as the w995 and has the same camera as the Elm, the only downside though is the bad LED flash

If I were to choose between the two I pick Elm

but that's just me

[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2010-08-17 05:16 ]

Posted by plankgatan

On 2010-08-17 04:34:54, Luhccas-U1a wrote:

995 not.
Of course,i'm talking about the camera only.
The over(not at)all,yes,the walkman is better.

I definitely not agree here.....

w995 photo section....
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]make=Sony+Ericsson&model=W995a
great photos with good colours....(maybe you need glasses as my granny (he he)

besides.....who gives a crap how a cellphone camera behaves in full size ??...buy a DSLR cam if you love watching your pics in full size

and NO, ELM have still yellow nuance inside their pictures, the issue doesn't go away just because you change the WB (you just get a smaller amount of yellow....still there)

[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2010-08-17 10:17 ]

Posted by mriley
Elm has a better camera, but the W995 has better music quality. Plank is contradicting himself again

Posted by plankgatan
your skills about photographing is just mediocre........always have, always been,

to the rest of Esato......
....compare two pictures between w995 and ELM and you clearly see how more accurate colour rendition is on w995.

Posted by mriley
@plank
Where do my "skills about photographing" come into this? I never said they are above/below mediocre, you just use this as an excuse to troll

that's not part of the discussion.
It doesn't take a genius to look at two photos and see which is better, try upgrading your monitor

@fluke9
I would go for the Elm, unless music quality is important to you, it has most of the features of the W995 with better camera/video recording at a much lower price. I would ask members who have used both phones to know pros/cons of each

Posted by Bonovox
Recent night shot comparison done in Elm thread between these 2 phones & the Elm was better. Actually since upgrading my pc monitor to a full HD one I see photos as they really are & w995 whilst a great phone has a poor camera imo. When I first had it I was expecting amazing shots & I know how to take a decent photo but they always came out blurred or washed out colours

[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-08-17 14:53 ]

Posted by plankgatan
quote:

W995 - ELM = 1 - 0

Posted by mriley

On 2010-08-17 16:39:26, plankgatan wrote:

What was that plank?

I don't understand this nonsense, maybe you are still annoyed about C901 being better than C902?

Common sense - Plank = 1 - 0
Just kidding btw, dont take offense/go crazy

Back on topic:

Luhccas-U1a is right, W995 is better as an overall phone, but if you are interested in camera, the Elm crushes it both in camera and video recording quality.

Posted by Bonovox

Posted by degraaff
This is definitely not helping Fluke.

Posted by fluke9
All opinions are welcome

Debate is healthy

I need a Sony Ericsson phone that will work with my TomTom 730 both will do everything I need, nearly all Nokia's won't work with my TomTom with out constantly restarting the phone.

Good camera is a bonus, but how good is the music player on the Elm ???

At the moment I use my trusty W810i or a Nokia 5800 XM, so I am hoping the Elm music player is at least as good as the aforementioned pair.

[ This Message was edited by: fluke9 on 2010-08-17 17:27 ]

Posted by Bonovox
OK with my Elm the headphone supplied are a tad feable but I am using my old w995 headphone(ironic)& they sound fantastic. The w995 headphones are bass reflex.

Posted by anouk82
ELM=best 5mp camera phone(along with c901)
very good audio quality(with good earphones as good as w995)
more stable,much more faster than w995,no crushes.
it's a top phone by

let downs....only the diplay size.

As i said twice...GET ELM

[ This Message was edited by: anouk82 on 2010-08-17 18:24 ]

Posted by fluke9

On 2010-08-17 18:50:17, Bonovox wrote:
OK with my Elm the headphone supplied are a tad feable but I am using my old w995 headphone(ironic)& they sound fantastic. The w995 headphones are bass reflex.

On 2010-08-17 19:24:02, anouk82 wrote:
ELM=best 5mp camera phone(along with c901)
very good audio quality(with good earphones as good as w995)
more stable,much more faster than w995,no crushes.
it's a top phone by

let downs....only the diplay size.

As i said twice...GET ELM

[ This Message was edited by: anouk82 on 2010-08-17 18:24 ]

HPM77's do the trick then ????

Posted by anouk82
yes they do, i have those too.

Posted by TTT
Maybe there's no idea for me to write here since everyone already said everything but I must have something to do.

The W995 is a splendid phone except for the camera. Can't believe how bad SE could make an 8 mpix camera.
The Elm is almost a copy of the W995 but more stable. The losses are in screen size (0,4"= 1cm) and in mega pixel count but the pictures are much better with Elm.

Look at the detail in the Elm photo it's much better.
The big difference in these pictures are that the Elm is taken towards sunlight and the W995 along with the sun therefor the dark tree.

W995
Elm

Posted by fluke9
Thank for all opinions so far people

I am drawn to the w995, but whats the point of a phone with 8MP camera that is poor.

Looks like ELM, I hate decisions.

[ This Message was edited by: fluke9 on 2010-08-17 20:57 ]

Posted by Bonovox
The only thing I really hate about the Elm is not really the 2.2 inch display. It's the fact that indoors the sensor makes it very dark & much darker than most screens go with their sensors but outside it's fine. Looking at the Elm pics full size it's clearly the best of the current crop along with Hazel which has bigger screen but same camera.The Hazel is another good option. Only real thing that's missing is the Xenon flash that's what makes me angry at

for not releasing the c901 here in the UK

That would have been a great seller like the k800i. Need I say more?

[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-08-17 21:51 ]

Posted by Bonovox
@Plank I see zero yellow tint in Elm pics. It happened once when I forgot to change my settings in Stratford on a sunny day it was on cloudy but on auto or daylight I see none. And that's with my glasses on

Do you see yellow here in my shots? I know what you mean by a yellow tint but I no see it

[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-08-17 22:04 ]

Posted by mriley

I am drawn to the w995, but whats the point of a phone with 8MP camera that is poor.

Marketing

Great pics bono, the first one is amazing

Posted by fluke9
Is the W995's camera the same as the C905 ???

Posted by mriley
@fluke
Nope, in fact, the C905 doesn't have an 8 mega-pixel camera, it's more like 7.9

Posted by fluke9
LOL that's just me hoping for a modded cam driver

Posted by Luhccas-U1a
Plank,i use glasses

This is why i can see purple fringing and smeared details from W995 camera on my 24" full hd led screen... (don't you use rgb led too?)
Can you show one picture that proof what you said?
W995 is a good phone with high quality music capabilities and performance.
The camera is the weak point on it.
Even your g'old C902 are better camera wise...

Posted by NoroBiik
..and I was expecting this thread to stop at the first page

I have both, will take pics of the same scene/same lighting/same settings starting tomorrow (left my Elm at home today alas). Rainy season is here with a vengeance in Manila, so both phones should be able to show what they're capable of camwise.

(build quality-wise my W995 is superior to the Elm. the plastic & metal body casing are higher quality, no problem with my slide action either, WiFi reception is also stronger though GSM/3G/HSPA signal wise both phones seem to be on par)

[ This Message was edited by: NoroBiik on 2010-08-18 04:57 ]

Posted by fluke9

On 2010-08-18 05:47:05, NoroBiik wrote:
..and I was expecting this thread to stop at the first page

[ This Message was edited by: NoroBiik on 2010-08-18 04:57 ]

Thank you.

Now that would be good to see.

Posted by plankgatan
about cam quality...........i just looked at Lefthorse w995 pictures............what can i say...WOW

i think w995 camera is very similar to c905. (same great colour rendition, etc) if i guess, the only difference between c905 and w995 (camera) is the Cybershot branding.

for me this kind of quality is way more appealing then ex, some Nokia oversatured yellowish...over & out.

full size. (very good quality)
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]on/w995/2010072501090573e6.jpg

[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2010-08-18 12:47 ]

Posted by fluke9
Hmm what about C903 ???

Just to be awkward

Posted by reeflotz

On 2010-08-17 21:53:18, TTT wrote:

The Elm is almost a copy of the W995 but more stable.

Yes and a closer copy would be the Hazel

, both Hazel and w995 have 2.6 inch screen, both have front videocall camera, and both are slider type of phone. It's the closest you can get to a w995 while having the same camera installed on Elm. Again the only drawback would be the bad LED flash of Hazel. Anyway if only between the 2 and the deciding factor would be left to the camera, go for Elm.

Posted by mriley
@fluke
The C903 is just a C902 in a plastic housing, same camera and mostly the same features

The W995 camera is similar to the C905, they both apply strong noise reduction smearing details.

Posted by fluke9

On 2010-08-18 16:22:44, mriley wrote:
@fluke
The C903 is just a C902 in a plastic housing, same camera and mostly the same features

Now that is interesting

Posted by TCR18H
I don't envy the decision you'v got. The crazy thing is the manufacturers keep cramming more megapixels into these camera phones and on such a small sensor the quality will degrade as digital noise starts to increase. It's just a sales gimmick but it's worked on point and shoot cameras so it'll continue on phones. I'd say 5 megapixels is the sensible limit. The lens will always limit picture quality.
Good luck with what you choose in the end.

Posted by Bonovox
C903 camera is same as c902 get the Elm it has the best one

Posted by Luhccas-U1a

On 2010-08-18 13:29:42, plankgatan wrote:
about cam quality...........i just looked at Lefthorse w995 pictures............what can i say...WOW

i think w995 camera is very similar to c905. (same great colour rendition, etc) if i guess, the only difference between c905 and w995 (camera) is the Cybershot branding.
for me this kind of quality is way more appealing then ex, some Nokia oversatured yellowish...over & out.

Nah

!You're losing the point!
Can't you see the purple where should be black?
Man... C905 is way better than W995,you can't compare just because some pictures from a talented person...
Just in a 1/50 of pictures W995 gets the similar quality of C905.
Wich one do you think people will choose?
Admit,Elm have a better camera in all aspects.

Posted by mriley
@Luhccas
Plank admit he is wrong? You must be crazy