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Posted by chunkybeats
Is the new 8gb Memory Stick Pro Duo compatible with the w810i? if not, what se's is it compatible with?


Posted by masseur
no one here has mentioned tat they have tried it, but I see no reason why it should not be compatible

are you going to buy one?

Posted by cletus141
It should be, but nobody's bought one yet because of the $300-800 price tag. you could get 2 4Gb for way less.

that's what they were a few weeks ago. just did a search on Froogle and they can be found as low as $217:

http://froogle.google.com/fro[....]&btnP=Go&brand=Sony&lnk=brsugg

Wish I would've known that a few weeks ago before I bought the 4gig. But some of them i maybe wouldn't trust. The cheapest from a place I would trust, ironically, is from SonyStyle online store a $300, Buy.com is the same and J&R Music & Comp. is $350

let us know if you get one

-chris

Posted by chunkybeats
i might buy one, i heard rumours that the 8gb has a FAT32 file system, and the W810i only supports FAT16 file system, hope its not too true! The w810i is a cracking little phone!

Posted by sosojerk
I think you can't address file sectors bigger than 4GB using FAT16.
Since 8GB>4GB it means that FAT32 is used.
That is it.

Posted by masseur
FAT16 is limited to 2gb. this is why the P910 was limited to 2gb because it uses FAT16 only

people (including me) have used 4gb in W810 so I see no reason why it will not work with 8gb

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[ This Message was edited by: masseur on 2007-02-16 16:44 ]

Posted by jack77777
heres a good place for cards:

www.mobymemory.com , i bought a 4gb for 70 including card reader.

Posted by jepherberich
FAT16 is (technically) limited to 4 GB. Windows 2000 and up proves this. Win98, etc, can only address 2 GB. I don't want to drown people in tech gibberish so I'll try to address this in the most layman way i could: Now, the question is whether W810 implements higher-end FAT16 (that which can handle 4GB) or FAT32 (32 GB tops). I don't have a W810 anymore so I haven't checked this, but the M2 I formatted in my K800 seems to be using FAT32 already

Quote:

On 2007-02-16 17:40:18, masseur wrote:
FAT16 is limited to 2gb. this is why the P910 was limited to 2gb because it uses FAT16 only

people (including me) have used 4gb in W810 so I see no reason why it will not work with 8gb



Posted by masseur
lol, yeah, ok, 4gb is possible with FAT16 by using 64kb clusters, but its fairly non standard and introduces incompatibilities in some software software that didn't expect or cannt handle this cluster sizes (i.e. earlier versions of windows)

its highy improbable that SE would use this in W810, especially as they did not in P910 as indicated in the P910 white paper which says the following and which further suggests that SE would not take the slightly non standard route


I still think its a very safe bet that W810 will accept 8gb and higher but I'll be happy to eat my words if proven wrong

Posted by michka
The reason for the 2 GB or 4 GB file limit with W98 or W2K in FAT16 is that the former used signed integers (thereby losing 1 bit for the sign), whereas the latter used unsigned integers. Of course, the programs also had to use unsigned integers when accessing the HD interface.

Posted by freackers
is w850 compatible with 8 GB? which FAT w850 use? can anyone confirm this...

[ This Message was edited by: freackers on 2007-02-18 04:39 ]

Posted by *Jojo*
I was just wonderin' if the 8 GB will CLICK on it's INITIAL release having a price TAG that already can buy a NICE . . . K800 or a P990 at that (if the PRICE mentioned below is in - US$)

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It SHOULD be, but nobody's bought one yet because of the $300-800 PRICE tag. you could get 2 4Gb for way less.

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Posted by jepherberich
@masseur, michka didn't we get a little carried away hahah

Quote:

On 2007-02-16 21:17:43, michka wrote:
The reason for the 2 GB or 4 GB file limit with W98 or W2K in FAT16 is that the former used signed integers (thereby losing 1 bit for the sign), whereas the latter used unsigned integers. Of course, the programs also had to use unsigned integers when accessing the HD interface.




Posted by chunkybeats
thanks people, but il hold off until someone gets one lol, i dont want to be the guinea pig lol

Posted by ziggywiggy
this is prollie offtopic, but is a 4gb MS Pro Duo compatible with my k750i?

Posted by masseur
YES!!!

Posted by Codinghero
http://www.sonydigital-link.c[....]/compatibility.asp?l=en&f=semp


check that out .. thats the official word ... unofficially .. my bad .. lol ..

Posted by masseur
its plain to see those tables are not up to date, or even correct in some parts

I think our knowledge here is a better source for this information

Posted by arien617
It says that the W810 isn't even compatible with 4gb, that can't be right. Can it?

Posted by edwardanderson
I have used a 4gig duo for 3 months in my w810i, its original format was and currently is FAT32 it works flawlessly.

Posted by creepy_maver
hi guys!

would this be compatible with p990 in a way?

thank you so much!

Posted by senninha
yes

Posted by AbuBasim

On 2007-02-22 10:39:35, Codinghero wrote:
http://www.sonydigital-link.c[....]/compatibility.asp?l=en&f=semp

That table is indeed highly inaccurate. Is it really official? I have used Sony's original 4GB memory (MSX-M4GS) both in P990i and K750i and according to the table this should have not been possible?!

Posted by Residentevil
Hey it will work.

Posted by max_wedge
The memory expansion on ALL SE phones that are MS Pro compatible supports atleast up to 32GB, since it has to be compatible with the Memory Stick Pro architecture (max. 32GB addressable memory).

So while memory sticks continue to use the MS Pro architecture, all current and new SE phones will accept any cards SE bring out up to the 32GB capacity.

The size is not a memory issue, as the card contents are not loaded into memory when the card is browsed. K750 came out with only 1GB claimed top memory capacity, yet 4GB can be used without any side effects whatsever, dispelling the myth that newer cards will be slower. W810 is virtually the same thing as a K750.

Currently, most if not all SE phones support both FAT16 (up to 2GB max), and FAT32 (upt to 2TB, which obviously is limited by the ms pro hardware to 32GB).

Posted by senninha
my experience with a 4GB sandisk MSD in my K750 is that it takes a significantly longer time to power up the phone than with my 2GB MSD. when the phone is switched on, the SE logo displays for maybe 3 or 4 minutes before you are prompted to enter your PIN. i can only suppose this is due to the phone scanning the MSD. however, once past that, it operates at normal speed.

the speed difference is apparently with the MSD as opposed to the phone itself. i use a card reader to load data onto my MSD's. completely filling up my 2GB MSD with the reader takes 12 to 13 min. however, doing the same with the 4GB takes approximately an hour. although i am putting double the amount of data on the 4GB, the write speed is clearly slower.

for a while i wondered if i had a defective MSD. (and maybe i do. the only way to know that is if other users out there tell me that they have had a different experience) however, in browsing other forums for other devices, such as those for palm and WM5, using SD and miniSD cards, it has become apparent to me that the tradeoff for the very large capacity cards (4GB and beyond) is a decrease in speed.

from what i have read, many users have said that they experience write speeds of about 1/2 to 1/3 of their lower capacity cards. read speeds seem to be ok though. some have been able to somewhat improve the performance by formatting the cards in their readers using FAT32 and 32k clusters.

in any case, as i said, the only noticable difference with me and my K750 with a 4GB card is a longer startup and slower write speed. if the situation could be improved, i would definitely be happier. but at the same time, the sacrifice is perfectly ok with me since the benefit of having double the amount of data outweighs everything.

i can only imagine that the 8GB MSD speed differences will be even more pronounced. but again, you will forget that once you experience the benefits of having 8GB in your pocket!


Posted by tranced
@masseur: make a sticky saying what MSPD/MSD are compatible with phones. i think it will avoid some questions. just a thought.

Posted by masseur
sorry but I can't make stickys, only laffen can

Posted by tranced
one thing i didnt know about your MOD's powers. OK.

Posted by *Jojo*
@senn - Nice INPUT dude. Do you think that the PROCESS will be the SAME, say, you had a different BRAND of - card? What if it's a - SONY (as you have a Sandisk) . . .

Posted by silvan
Hi Im just wondering has anyone tried a 8GB card in an K750i??

Also I noticed cost was a big deterent to many of you . I was just wondering have any of you had any expeariance with buying MSPD's off of ebay. I heard that most of them are fake (particularly the ones form hong kong) but does anyone know if they still have full functionallity and work well generally?? I am considering ordering a 8 GB stick off of ebay.



Posted by dr_thug
Hi,i got an off topic question..

Whats the difference between Sandisk ms pro duo and Sandisk Ultra 2 ms pro duo??How is music and video playback in each of them??

Posted by senninha
Ultra II's have higher transfer speeds, but phones are not equipped to take advantage of the higher speeds so it would just be a waste of money. they are designed more for digital cameras and their rapid bursts of shots.

music and video on a standard sandisk memory stick is perfectly fine.

Posted by dr_thug
Thanks senn

Posted by *Jojo*
Is this 8GB card already OUT I mean if it was just bein' SOLD this late . . . I'm not so sure how the marketing-strategy on it was planned Considering that latest fones now USES M2 cards how do they think that this NEW-8GB card will be saleable? Or perhaps their MAIN target is for the Sony Digicams?

Posted by tranced
@jojo: 8GB Memory Stick PRO Duo announced read the first post.

Posted by zakc

On 2007-03-04 01:41:21, senninha wrote:
the speed difference is apparently with the MSD as opposed to the phone itself. i use a card reader to load data onto my MSD's. completely filling up my 2GB MSD with the reader takes 12 to 13 min. however, doing the same with the 4GB takes approximately an hour. although i am putting double the amount of data on the 4GB, the write speed is clearly slower.



When doing file transfer tests it's important to note the amount of files and their sizes. Number of files affects the transfer speed greatly in my experience.

Wouldn't it be great if you could partition your memory card?

Posted by Hlcn Twst
$300
price of a Sony 8 GB MSDP

$275
price of a W810i

$250
price of an 8GB iPod Nano (which trounces for music sync, navigation, and playback)

needs to ditch this overpriced proprietary-memory crap and just go with Micro SD like everyone else :


Posted by BobaFett
se products are usually overprised at the launch...

Posted by *Jojo*

On 2007-03-06 18:11:45, BobaFett wrote:
se products are usually overprised at the launch...



@boba - I think this will apply to EVERYTHING . . . not just with . . . even with Nokia, Samsung, Motorolas . . . and almost with every commodity that you find out in the market.

Posted by Hlcn Twst
But Sony does charge more for its proprietary formats (e.g. memory) - new or not - versus others selling non-proprietary items.

From Amazon.com:

$149.99 = 4GB MSDP by Sony
$129.99 = 4GB MSDP "Ultra II" by SanDisk
$ 89.99 = 4GB SD (full size) by SanDisk

Pricewise, Sony > others, and Sony proprietary formats > non-proprietary.

I say again, should drop MS/MSD/MSDP/MS Micro and go with Micro SD like everyone else.


Posted by silvan
HCLN I think you got you signs mixed up. you are contradicting yourself.

Posted by *Jojo*
I prefer Sandisk over Sony . . . as I find sooo many FAKE Sony memory-cards at my end

Posted by cletus141
I, for one, am glad that SE DIDN'T go with Micro SD "like everyone else" since 4GB Micro SD isn't even available yet. I read that it's been announced by Sandisk and ????, but Sandisk's website doesn't return anything about it in a quick search. Google didn't return any products either.

MS Pro Duo is a good 6 months to a year ahead of Micro SD in terms of memory capacity.

And imagine trying to find that sucker in some good ol' fashioned 70's style shag carpet. GOOD LUCK. ...or in gravel or grass?

chris

Posted by senninha

On 2007-03-06 06:29:32, zakc wrote:

On 2007-03-04 01:41:21, senninha wrote:
the speed difference is apparently with the MSD as opposed to the phone itself. i use a card reader to load data onto my MSD's. completely filling up my 2GB MSD with the reader takes 12 to 13 min. however, doing the same with the 4GB takes approximately an hour. although i am putting double the amount of data on the 4GB, the write speed is clearly slower.



When doing file transfer tests it's important to note the amount of files and their sizes. Number of files affects the transfer speed greatly in my experience.

Wouldn't it be great if you could partition your memory card?


i filled up both my memory sticks only with aac music files so it is pretty much safe to say that the 4GB stick has about double the amount of files that i put on the 2GB one. therefore, i should theoretically be able to fill the 4GB one in 26 min max. the decreased write speed is quite obvious, but it seems to be the norm with high capacity flash memory cards so...

@cletus

i fully agree with you there. it's going to be a while before miniSD's or M2's catch up with the duo pro's capacity, and it certainly won't be any fun keeping a bunch of the tiny micro cards in your wallet, juggling them around and losing some in the process.

[ This Message was edited by: senninha on 2007-03-08 00:59 ]

Posted by silvan
So can anyone elighten me as to whether it is a good idea to get one of those 8GB MSPD on ebay?

Posted by Hlcn Twst

On 2007-03-07 23:27:01, silvan wrote:
HCLN I think you got you signs mixed up. you are contradicting yourself.


Er, no


Posted by jcgechevarri
Hi everybody:
First sorry for my english i'm Spanish, from Spain, I've 2 w810i both with 4 gb Sony MSPD, certainly with this card two phones have slowest startups, but everything works fine, but not sound record, can save video with sound, but cannot record sound, it starts but stops at 1 second, have you same issue, please can you askme for it?
Thanks.

[ This Message was edited by: jcgechevarri on 2007-03-13 14:16 ]

Posted by Didson
I just boght a 8Gb card to use in my W810i and it recognise only 4Gb of it's space... I hope it can be solved using some kind of atualization, but I didn't find it yet...
If anybody has any clue, please post here...
zpDhnd4A

Posted by PowerLee

On 2008-02-01 02:51:23, Didson wrote:
I just boght a 8Gb card to use in my W810i and it recognise only 4Gb of it's space... I hope it can be solved using some kind of atualization, but I didn't find it yet...
If anybody has any clue, please post here...
zpDhnd4A


Thats because the W810 only supports upto a 4gb MSPD card

http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]ecifications/w810i?cc=gb&lc=en


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