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Sir-SonyEricsson-man
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i think that search function is horible.. it just "S**ks" i cant even findt my own posts with that search function 
The other thing is that "SEARCH" thing. it was quit populare to say a few months ago. but i think the most veterans and also the people around 2-300 post counts have notice it.
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whizkidd
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Just a doubt? Who qualifies as a "veteran" here? I mean is it their post count, or the length of time they've been here? :-D
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ThreeX
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For me itīs a combination of time since registred + amount of sensible posts.. Some people obviously seem compelled to reply just for the sake of replying while other seldom speak up, but when they do, itīs always good, relevant intelligent posts.
Those elite few are the true veterans IMO.
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DeLa
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This thread comes to my mind immediately:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=76900#post1028723
The OP was flamed immediately by I think 3 posters with the usual "use the search" lines, whereas they were wrong because the software discussed was brand new.
Fortunately some moderator came by (I suppose) and the flaming posts were removed.
I conclude 3 things:
1. The search is becoming less effective because of the huge amount of posts. Maybe a new system of categorising posts would help. Especially newbies can get lost and feel being treated unfair.
2. Some people can't handle the 'power' they get by being anonymous. It will always be like that since there is only a limited level of social control possible in forums like this. Any newbie on any forum should expect to come across this type of 'veterans' sooner or later.
3. There are moderators and they do their job. I especially appreciate that they just removed the inappropriate posts instead of putting oil on the fire and joining the discussion. I think the newbie in the mentioned post feels integrated now because other people stood up for him. That's what we all should do if necessary.
Edit: I re-read the post and the OP is not really a newbie, but, eh, well, could have been...
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fetzi
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@dela
much to my regret I must refuse some of your flowers. The reason of the inappropriate posts in the thread you mentioned was a sequel to the 'discussion' in my thread as described below.
Again I donīt want to reopen that discussion, but that time the posters were (well-founded?) still upset and 'I was hoisted by my own petard'..
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wapchimp
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I think new members are put off by others, especially if they have some big news to post. If they see regulars getting flamed, the prospect of getting roasted by established members is hardly welcoming and no apology or manners is not good.
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Vlammetje
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it's not only new poster really is it? 
it's anybody posting something 'out of the box' really
People posting new apps, people posting their own content, people posting links, or (recently) people posting concept phones.
anybody can find him- or herself victim of the grand esato mob any day. Because anybody posting anything remotely revolutionary will find him- or herself flamed and discredited to no end.
And yet we wonder why this site has less 'news value'...... 
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methylated_spirit
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Its something i feel very strongly about (im sure one or two of you may have noticed  ). Esato has a reputation amongst some other phone forums as being snooty, and elitist. The way new members are dealt with at times does not help this. Esato does have a strong sense of community, but woe betide you if you want to become part of that, or if you disagree with a veteran! Certain members of the "old guard" have openly stated that they do not like new members posting. This i do not understand. Are they being openly hostile, or just curmudgeonly, and unwilling to put in the effort to make esato a better place? Either way, its wrong. I hate it when new members are flamed, for no reason other than they didnt use the (at best awkward to use, at worst unfathomable) search function, or over something petty and stupid, like spelling. Just because you have been here longer, doesnt make you better.
I'd also like to add that my "crusade" isnt exactly a crusade, but the slogan in my sig has certainly drawn attention to the problem, and made a few people think, which is exactly as it was intended to do. Of course, if i see obvious flaming of a new member for no good reason i will fly in, teeth bared! (sorry fetzi, but alls well that ends well mate but remember, it wasnt just you, there was a few comments at the poor guy, at least you are standing up and doing something positive about it)
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lets just forget about this all. we are all good and harsh things rarely happen anymore
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scotsboyuk
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On 2004-12-13 16:48:37, methylated_spirit wrote:
Esato does have a strong sense of community, but woe betide you if you want to become part of that, or if you disagree with a veteran!
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I don't think such a sweeping generalisation is at all accurate, hence why I differentiated between different types of veteran. There are some 'veterans' on Esato who do seem to get rather committed to an opinion, but if you look to the very old members then there is very little evidence of this behaviour amongst them.
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Certain members of the "old guard" have openly stated that they do not like new members posting. This i do not understand. Are they being openly hostile, or just curmudgeonly, and unwilling to put in the effort to make esato a better place?
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Who exactly? Where are these statements?
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I'd also like to add that my "crusade" isnt exactly a crusade, but the slogan in my sig has certainly drawn attention to the problem ...
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As I said before, I do agree with the sentiment expressed here, but I prefer to do what I have always done; lead by example and only get involved if it is necessary. I prefer leaving direct intervention in such matters to those younger members who feel inclined to do so.
@all
I have previously suggested that the Rubbish Forum not be included in searches, that would go some way to improving the usefulness of this feature.
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Vlammetje
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the search has seen some improvement in the past months.
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slattery69
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sometimes its down to the individual and how sensitive they are. ive been on the board for a couple of years. however i aint that well know as i dont post a lot i just enjoy reading the threads. i have no problem and never have with putting my views forward but then i dont in real life. perhaps some people would struggle in real life when asking questions and joining in.
thats not to say some people arent a bit ott with how they act but on the whole i find esato a friendly place.
i also think you have to take into account that everyone has to use english and its not everyones first laungue and some are better than others at it. soemtimes what may appear to be an aggresive answer may just be that the person in question can phrase the answer in any better way as its not there first language.
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wapchimp
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On 2004-12-13 14:52:16, Vlammetje wrote:
it's anybody posting something 'out of the box' really
People posting new apps, people posting their own content, people posting links, or (recently) people posting concept phones.
anybody can find him- or herself victim of the grand esato mob any day. Because anybody posting anything remotely revolutionary will find him- or herself flamed and discredited to no end.
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I wonder who ? 
AND I use google to search esato.
As long as you put esato and whatever you are looking for - google wlill pick it up
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scotsboyuk
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@wapchimp
Jolly good idea. 
@slattery69
Indeed, I have made similar points about the language problem before. Interestingly enough, some of Esato's most active members are from countries where English isn't a first language.
I also find the definitions we create rather interesting too. Different people seem to have different ideas of what constitutes a 'veteran', although everyone seems to agree on what constitutes a newbie.
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wapchimp
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I think this whole issue is one that is/should be dealt with by the Mods
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