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evoke
Joined: Mar 05, 2002
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i remember this being a regular topic of conversation over the years as esato has grown. it's a victim of it's own success in many ways but still a great place to get phone info and hang out. don't spend as much time here as i used to but still love the place 
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Vlammetje
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
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From: Den Haag
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On 2004-01-21 13:09:20, boyi wrote:
Well i still cant access html lite with my t610 
(something is wrong with the page you tried to access,choose another link),
Fix that one if you can!
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not having any problems.. 
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Alf Nif
Joined: Dec 01, 2003
Posts: 426
From: Sweden
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I didn't say you did anything Deanlambert, only that people in general have a tendensy to do. I'm sorry if my writing made you think I pointed you out as a whiner.
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kev.morris
Joined: Jul 02, 2003
Posts: 291
From: Derbyshire, England
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i think ill start an "if it isnt broke dont fix it" thread because i think esato is fine. i just ignore threads that dont interest me. pm on all wap phones would be a bonus as i always log on via wap, but im sure its only a matter of time. i think masseur is doing a good job, the site is better since he started modding
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tranquil
Joined: Dec 15, 2001
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From: Oslo, Norway
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I agree. Masseur is doing a great job in here!
(That bugger has too much time on his hands...  )
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Vlammetje
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
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From: Den Haag
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Agreed 
(and agreed  )
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kev.morris
Joined: Jul 02, 2003
Posts: 291
From: Derbyshire, England
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maybe we need a "how can masseur spend so much time on here without getting the sack thread?"!!! its not fair, i need to use the phone and be sneeky, right now im in the toilet typing this and it stinks, so im out of here....
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masseur
Joined: Jan 03, 2003
Posts: > 500
From: Sydney, London
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thanks for the kind words.
I'm just very efficient with my time! so it appears that I spend alot of time here and it appears I spend alot of time doing work!
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Vlammetje
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
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From: Den Haag
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Hats off to you masseur
I can really tell my Esato time is taking away some quality work time  
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701
Joined: Nov 26, 2002
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From: Romania
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@vlamm:how is xhtml another version of wap?! Wap means wml,lite html and xhtml(which in my opinion IS the same thing) means html. I don't have a reference here but if no1 clears it,i'll b back l8r with an explanation. Any1 else?
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Vlammetje
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
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Right. I tried to explain in laymens terms that xhtml accessible by T300 is not the html lite full forum version.
We'll use T300 and Z600 is the following story coz those are the ones I'm familiar with.
Now, WAP afaik is commonly used as general word for phone data communication via GSM (as opposed to GPRS) however we'll try to not use the term where it is not appropriate, ok? 
WML is a script that can be read by WAP-enabled phones.
XHTML is another script that can be read by CERTAIN WAP-enabled phones, such as the T300.
Esato has a 'stripped down' forum version available in both scripts. Neither one allows for PM's at this time. Both show all topics in order of 'most recent' and not subdivied into general, P88/P900 or anything.
Now there is also a more sophisticated 'WAP forum version' available, not as stripped down, with the possibility to use PM and a perfect subdivision of all forums. Although written in HTML, this forum has always been too massive for my T300 to handle, in other words I could never access it. I CAN access it with my Z600, which is just a bit more powerful.
Now as you would have known if you could see artemiy's avatar (and perhaps some historical knowledge on my part) he is in fact posting with a T310. When he talks about xhtml forum and you talk about html lite forum, you 2 are watching very different things.
To experience what artemiy is talking about, next time you surf to Esato on your phone, when prompted to select a version, do NOT scroll all the way down to 'html lite' but instead take the second available option, which (on a Z600 sd I expect also on a T610) says 'html' only. It is right underneath the option for 'wml'
Open that, and you will see the differences between the lay out of that version and the regular 'lite' version. You will also see that as of yet, PM is not accesible on that version.
Hope this explains it to your satisfaction.
Cheers
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Deanlambert
Joined: Sep 10, 2003
Posts: 466
From: East Yorkshire
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So can i do it then? Only joking. So everything appears to be working now, managed to read threads again. Got to admit tho, the mod's on top form here. I sent 2 pm's to them today and within an hour got a reply. You don't get that from other sites i could mention.
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gelfen
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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as i said in my earlier post, the quality of threads ebbs and flows over time. i suspect the recent flurry of "ignorant/ill-informed" (for wont of a better term) threads are at least in part due to the time of year. a lot of people have been on holidays and so had a bit of spare time on their hands to surf the net (either for fun or to learn more about the phones they got for xmas). as a result more casual users have signed in and asked questions, and it seems a few older members have also got a bit restless over the silly season.
when i first started reading esato in last year (i.e. about 6 months before i joined) i was totally unfamiliar with forum culture and ettiquete. consequently there was a fairly steep learning curve, and i used esato basically as a resource to decide which handset i wanted to buy as my first mobile phone. when i did finally join it was after i had a) bought the phone, and b) when i thought i had a fair grip on the general culture of esato - which is to say that discussion was generally spirited yet still mostly on-topic, with a dose of irreverence and humour.
however there were still a few members who felt compelled to flame left, right and centre over the smallest things. just before masseur was made a mod those people more or less flamed at will, with little restraint other than the beleaguered efforts of tranquil. when poor forum behaviour by a few members becomes common, without any apparent reprimand (i.e. a thread lock or deletion) it's becomes easier for others to fall into the same pattern and therefore becomes the norm. it only takes a handful of people to drag down a whole bunch of others, and i'm not ashamed to say that i fell victim to this myself (check the whole thread - it's only short) - although i had been having a fairly trying day to begin with. i'm sure most of us can think of times when we got pulled down to a level where we never intended to go. this particular incident was fairly early in masseur's career as a mod, and a few friendly words from him put me back on track. within a few weeks of masseur's moderatorship, the cart blanche flaming started to subside, mainly i think because a few judiciously locked threads make a fairly good object lesson.
*...hmmm....perhaps i'm still trying to expiate my guilt...*
the point i'm broadly trying to make is that this forum is what we make it. if you don't like the way things are going, don't just complain but try to think of how you can improve it. it might be as simple as pm-ing a mod, or posting a friendly link to the forum rules or search results, or even just a short piece of advice and a helpful topic link. beating newbies over the head with  isn't going to help much because it only happens after the question has been asked, but that doesn't mean you can't do it in a nice way. perhaps the only way to solve this would be to make the "search" on the homepage much more prominent.
if you don't have anything nice to say, at least try to be civil - or help the mods out because they need to be pointed in the right direction in a forum which averages over a thousand posts per day.
of course, if someone is deliberately flame-baiting then i suppose a carefully aimed kick in the pants wouldn't hurt (but still let a mod know about it).
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mobman
Joined: Sep 23, 2003
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From: Manchester UK
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feel better after that? takes up 4 pages on wap! i agree with what you said tho!
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gelfen
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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sorry about that. i really only meant to write the first paragraph, but then kept thinking of other things to say as i went along.
thanks for agreeing.
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