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Samsung Galaxy Nexus violates Apple's slide-to-unlock utility patent


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Posted by laffen
The latest news from the continuous court battle between Apple and Samsung: Apple claims Samsung infringe slide-to-unlock utility model on the Galaxy Nexus Android smartphone




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Posted by tranced
The year hasn't started well and here they go again. This is getting out of control IMO and I mean by the part of Apple.

Posted by yark
I had slide to unlock on my backyard gate when i was 5 years old.

Next they'll patent breathing and you'll have to pay them fees to live. Oh yeah...apple doesn't accept licensing fees, they'll just want you to die instead.

I seriously hate the Apple brand. They can't innovate their way out of a paper bag anymore.

They're going to lose this patent suit anyway. In the diagram above there is an item labled 404. This is the groove that the slide travels along. That does not exist on the Android device, hence, it is not the same.

Google's is more of a "Circle to unlock."

Posted by Bonovox
Oh for god sake now come on Apple you cannot be serious now. Next they'll be suing coz they put the on off switch in the same place where does this shit end?? Or the screen is the same size or shape. And please Apple fans stop giving excuses for them. Its not just Samsung that has a slide to unlock its Android too and that ain't even the point. @yark funny comment in your back gate Samsung also never wrote the software its Google. Apple never invented slide to unlock

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[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2012-01-22 05:49 ]


Posted by masteryang88
Apple's losin it LMAO

Posted by buntoo


Posted by Bonovox
Still think this is really pathetic.

Posted by skblakee
Apple need to just take this behind the scenes and negotiate.

Posted by Bonovox
But this one is so lame of them. And it is Google who make the software in this device so why is Samsung being picked on yet again?? Samsung actually makes its own swipe screen to unlock on its Touchwiz interface. And Apple never invented slide to unlock did they??

Posted by Run_dawn10
I use a Mac and I'm really happy with it but things like this makes me ashamed of owning a Mac.

It seems that Apple is now focusing on crushing its competitors (namely Samsung, HTC and Motorola) instead on innovation.

Bravo Apple, I'm getting a Dell XPS to replace this MacBook Pro.

Plus, the default ICS locking mechanism doesn't even resemble the iOS equivalent.
[ This Message was edited by: Run_dawn10 on 2012-01-23 15:16 ]


Posted by Bonovox
Yes Dell is good.

Posted by Miss UK
The iPhone I think has always had the ring pull since it launched!
(Masseur Quote me on this)

anyway looking at all this I guess apple dislike how other manufacturers cannot come up with there own thing
before the iPhone came along where was Touchscreen phones? had there P9 Series

just looking at this makes people flip but thinking about it
Apple are only protecting themselves from other manufacturers to lame to
stump up there own ideas in there software, Android is a great deal similar to iOS

but the Android system brings in more features (live stuff, customization)

the android platform is becoming a large bit of tech more people are buying it
as it starts from lower prices then the i-Devices

Apple prob just dislike how big it's become and will try and stop the threat in any dumb way if possible!

I myself am torn between the 2 platforms
I cannot help that I like my iPhone abit more then the android phone now though

Posted by Bonovox
Oh please don't make me laugh. Protecting themselves?? Apple are only interested in THEMSELVES. They are even like I said before suing the wrong people. Its not Samsung its Google who made the software. And nearly all touch screens have had a slide unlock system since the invention of touch screens. Weather you slide it up down right or left. Samsung have their own way of unlocking their screens in their own phones. The Nexus software is not made by Samsung. And Apple never invented touch screen unlock either and Apple have copied many ideas from Android as well as others. Pull down notification is one. Other manufacturers have plenty of their own ideas Miss UK. Virtually nothing is copied from Apple and most features other manufacturers had way before iPhone existed. And exactly where is iOS similar to Android??

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[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2012-01-24 15:43 ]


Posted by adsada
Say Android did get inspiration from iOS's unlock switch, so what? Is it really that big a deal? It's what happens in capitalism, competition! I could say Apple are shockingly bad for using a drag down notification bar in their recent iOS update. That, if anything, is far worse because that's actually a unique idea unlike a bloody unlock switch!

Apple know their iOS really has no future in a long run, it cannot sustain only being released on only Apple hardware and the look of it, which now is starting to look very dated. But they have a shit load of savings, so they're spending this $$$ on trying to block all competition through dirty tactics and top class lawyers.

At the end of the day Apple believe Android is a copy of iOS and as such is stealing potential customers. However if Android didn't exist I would never buy an iPhone.

Posted by Bonovox
Google have said nothing to Apple about the drop down notification bar. They should have sued Apple for it.

Posted by Miss UK
if your handsets broke tomorrow and you had to use a actual iPhone cos nothing was available
to you/short of cash etc

I'd like to see what comments you would be posting

all this activity really is a utter bore "WHO CARES WHO CARES"

let APPLE Sue the World if they have to

im sure members have better things to do then moan about phones all day
who give a rats a$$
[ This Message was edited by: Miss UK on 2012-01-24 17:38 ]


Posted by adsada

On 2012-01-24 18:34:26, Miss UK wrote:
if your handsets broke tomorrow and you had to use a actual iPhone cos nothing was available
to you/short of cash etc

I'd like to see what comments you would be posting

all this activity really is a utter bore "WHO CARES WHO CARES"

let APPLE Sue the World if they have to

im sure members have better things to do then moan about phones all day
who give a rats a$$
[ This Message was edited by: Miss UK on 2012-01-24 17:38 ]



Haha seriously, you just asked me to imagine a scenario that would be impossible to find myself in...where I opt for overpriced phone because I am short of cash. My dad has the iPhone and I have used it many a time, its crap. You feel so restrained in what you can do, plus the screen is tinnnnnny.

If this activity is 'utter bore' then why do you comment your opinion in this thread, effectively being part of the utter bore? Last time I checked this forum is all about mobiles, and allowing people to post their opinions on issues surrounding phones...

Posted by Bonovox
I'd go & buy a cheap Huawei Android handset called the Blaze

Posted by Miss UK
@ Asda, I do not feel restrained in anyway the handset does alot more for people who need not the ones who slag it of
The screen isn't a problem Tiny as you put it neither!

I actually am not a fan of HUGE Slabphones with 5inch screens anyhow


Erm why did I bother posting here? I dunno tbh but its all pretty funny though isn't it

Posted by Bonovox
Funny?? I ain't laughing at Apple trying to take the whole competition down so we are just stuck to a world of only Apple phones. It's like a bloody dictatorship As Steve Jobs said he wanted to destroy Android & it seems his hench men are still doing it after he has gone. @Miss UK you just called asada after a supermarket Asda

Posted by Miss UK
Theres always Windows phones right?

lol Even Siri fails to comment on Android
I just think let them get on with it may the best one win at the end

I like both iOS and Android but I have a 4S
and I cannot help the fact that, Phone works better for myself personally at the moment

as a avid music fan the iPhone ticks that for me and the gaming on it
is fantantic even my partner has said its better at handling games than his HTC Sensation!

he isn't much of Apple fan himself but he has learn't to deal with me having these iphones

lol asada sorry about the asda

Posted by adsada

On 2012-01-24 19:13:25, Miss UK wrote:
lol asada sorry about the asda



I was about to say!

haha, I but to the topic in hand, I too agree that a 5+" handset is too big, but I still believe that 3.5" is silly. My arc's 4.2" is just right IMO, its perfect for watching movies on the go. The fact Apple refuse to expand on their screen size is ludicrous, sure not everyone wants a large screen but there is still a market for it, if you want iOS you have to make do with a tiny screen. Sure not everyone does, but would producing a model to cater for these users be so hard? Sony has a range of large and small screen handsets screen sizes. Yes back in 2007 3.5" looked pretty impressive it 'aint no longer!

Posted by Bonovox
I remember the days when I thought a QVGA screen was amazing

Posted by etaab
Talk about out-of-the-mouth-of-babes this guy has only just signed up and i can honestly say i couldnt have put it better myself in such a simple condensed form.


On 2012-01-22 04:57:55, yark wrote:
I had slide to unlock on my backyard gate when i was 5 years old.


@ Miss UK - if say for example Apple did get their way and managed to get every other manufacturer out there banned from selling mobile phones, so we all had to buy iPhones, which could be very possible in a country with a dictatorship installed that did a deal with Apple, yeah i would happily use an iPhone. I do like iPhones, ive been in the Apple store this evening playing with the 4S thinking how nice it is and how id like one (as a collector rather than main use), but i would feel really constricted and as though im missing out on much better things that i could get with other platforms.

Posted by Supa_Fly
Something interesting that I've found.

Apple's a gesture Patent in the USA is EP1964022? One thing we have to remember is that Patents are Very very specific; if too vague the patents can run the industry into submission or no longer be valued for what is intended.

Of ALL the news and even that 9:56min you tube video NO PRESS has actually officially stated the specific NeoNode patent arguing against Apple. More to the point is that NoeNode used a phrase NOT an image nor does their slide to unlock can be exited by a spring in mid action by the user at will! Furthermore, Neonode has not stated how their action is executed.

There are a number of patents that are uncannily similar that we have ALL seen yet the way in which their executed makes them unique. Apple is not the only one to goto court over mobile device patents - think NTP against RIM in their prime for their NOC PUSH rice implementation (Motorola also was sued but settled VERY early in court proceedings and paid a bargain, meh a STEAL compared to RIM.

I'm curious who has the actual patent number and link to describe the Neonode patent. ?? I'm very curious because I'd like to find out. I already spent hours on google searching havent found it.

Posted by Supa_Fly
Update! Ivefinally found it

Patent
8095879

Link. http://www.google.com/patents[....]FerE2wXU8qiVCA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA


A particularly good quote from good investigation...

As I pointed out in an earlier piece, Neonode -- a small Swedish phone manufacturer -- was the first to deploy the technology commercially.  And it also appears to be the first to have patented swipe-to-unlock.

I initially missed this, as it was buried in U.S. Patent No. 8,095,879.

But there it is -- in "User interface for mobile handheld computer unit."  Fig. 11 and Fig. 12 (pg. 5).


And the interface element is covered by Claim 12:

12. The computer readable medium of claim 1, wherein the user interface is characterised in, that an active application, function, service or setting is advanced one step by gliding the object along the touch sensitive area from left to right, and that the active application, function, service or setting is closed or backed one step by gliding the object along the touch sensitive area from right to left.

Now Neonode is perhaps not suing everyone because it kindly limited its own patent, writing

In the case that the patent was deemed non-novel at some point and redundant with existing drag-and-drop IP, Neonode attempts to strengthen it with a secondary claim:

12. The computer readable medium of claim 1, wherein the touch sensitive area is 2-3 inches in diagonal dimension.

What a novel notion -- a company narrowing its own patent to cover only what it actually has designed!  While we'll never know if this narrowing was intentional or inadvertent, either way.

Despite the apparent strength and broad scope of its patent, Neonode declined/missed its opportunity to try to cash in on its user interface innovation at the expense of stalling the mobile market with crippling lawsuits (as Apple is currently doing).

II. Is There a Difference Between These Patents?

Now let us review the matter at hand:
Neonode filed for a patent on swipe to unlock 3 years before Apple did.
Neonode's swipe to unlock gesture is identical to that found on the iPhone -- a fluid left-to-right motion.
Apple is now suing people over the technology it "borrowed" (presumably without permission) from Neonode and applied for two patents -- U.S. Patent No. 7,657,849 and U.S. Patent No. 8,046,721 on.
Let me address a point of contention I received in an email.  Yes, Neonode's display is resistive (diodes-based) touch design, where as Apple's screen is capacitive touch.  But ultimately this does not have any major affect the algorithm, as we see it on the original iPhone.  And bear in mind, Apple is not patenting capacitive multi-touch.  Other people have already done that.  

Indeed Apple's patent doesn't even mention capacitive touch in its claims.  It claims the invention of the gesture on "a touch-sensitive display" (See Claim 1 of first patent) -- a term which encompasses both resistive and capacitive touch displays.

So is there any difference between Apple's claim and Neonode's?  

It would be tempting to state that there is some sort of graphical difference looking at the iPhone versus the Neonode n1, which featured the slide-to-unlock.  But the patents are ambiguous enough they don't confine themselves specific look to the unlock mechanism (that would be more appropriate for a design patent, anyhow).

So if the difference is not graphical, what is it?

Apple's algorithm appears to have two unique claims, compared to Neonode's.  But they're actually not unique at all.  Let's discuss why.

First it claims dragging a graphic.  But let's see -- this has been done for over two decades before the filing via the ubiquitous "drag and drop"(who has this patent Xerox PARC or is it someone else by 2yrs; hmm).

Apple's only other seemingly unique claims is that its algorithm mentions that if the finger is removed during the swipe gesture, before the end point is reached, to cancel the result.  But ultimately, the Neonode patent simply did mention this.  If you swipe halfway across the Neonode phone (reaching the middle diode) and stop, you can't just click the endpoint several seconds later.  Neonode's algorithm was less explicit, but it appears to have the same mechanism as Apple's.  (See videos below.)



Posted by etaab

On 2012-07-09 07:07:09, Prom1 wrote:
Something interesting that I've found.


Interesting to who ? certainly not me. Notice how nobody has posted in this thread for 6 months ?

Its because nobody really cares about defending Apple. Well apart from you of course.

Posted by goldenface
Apple lost in the UK courts on this very claim. Common sense ruled for a change.

Posted by Bonovox
Was watching the Dyson advert today and noticed they mentioned patents in it

Posted by goldenface
What's wrong with that?

Posted by chunkybeats
Yeah I would rather buy a cheap knock off from china (got heaps here imported into NZ) with dual sim and android 1.6 in it haha!!! I have had the iphone 4 and its crap, tiny screen, annoying restrictions, crap camera etc etc the list goes on.......

Posted by Bonovox
Quote:

On 2012-07-09 22:10:23, goldenface wrote:
What\\\\\'s wrong with that? \\n



oh nothing it's just I never seen patents mentioned in an advert before

Posted by skblakee
Apple has to feel that they are in a great position with this patent fight or they are being really stupid with this flurry of court fights. I am hoping they lose them all and return the cellphone industry where it was before with sitdowns and negotiations and licensing between the different players.

There is a company now suing them for infringement of their noise cancellation feature. Hopefully the company wins and shuts down the fruit company. See the link below.

Link text...

Posted by goldenface
Sadly, I'm not in the least bit surprised.


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