Posted by sitnet
Ok so there are now a lot of South Africans browsing ad downloading for free at astonishing rates.
I think the time has arrived for us to start considering what's going to actually happen when we get caught out, and also the possible ways for us to get caught out. I'm sure of it that most of you know about the new Regulation of Interception of Communications and Provision of Communication-Related Information Act (or RICA for short). Basically this act gives certain authorities the right to intercept our communications if they have obtained a warrant.
I am very sure that if one of out 3 Service Providers goes to court with their internet usage statistics (that will depict the they are rapidly losing money through this trick of ours) they will easily be able to obtain a warrant and start intercepting our internet activities. In other words exposing our trick and the people using it. And after RICA registration they know exactly who you are and where you live.
So how do you guys feel about this, please give some insight
P.S. I am not suggesting we stop to browse for free at all, I won't be able to live without it, I'm just asking for opinions and suggestions.
Posted by voodowizzard
I always consider this RICA thing and ive been reluctant to register my sim ,we need a feedback from people who has already registered their sim cards and downloding for free, but we must also consider that we mostly use anonimyzers that assists us in hiding our real i.p ,anomimyzers provides with different i.ps everytime we login, this would make it difficult for our service providers to track us down. Another thing it that internet is huge ,it almost imposible to monitor every single user.
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Posted by Hacker89
No problem with the registered sim cards and stuff. register your sim that you usually use but then connect with an unregistered sim. With cell c i know that if you buy a new sim now that you will not be able to make calls or receive calls at all but it stll can connect to the internet via the pc:-) meaning that you buy an unregistered sim and use it for your not so legal duties lol. That aint no headache bro and if you get caught it would be not legal to take you to jail and leave all other millions commiting this. It is unlawful
Posted by sitnet
Thanx for the replies far. I agree with some opinions and disagree with others.
@voodowizzard
Firstly I myself am a registered RICA member and I am browsing and downloading on registered sim's. I also at first thought anonomizers like anongoogle would protect us, but the case is quite the opposite. For the free site on any of the three service providers to work, they have to know that you are actually using one of their sim cards. So in other words if you use free browsing with a free site like the dot trick, you are exposed. They know your number. Or this is at least true for MTN.
I do agree that the internet is massive and it would be very hard to identify individuals stealing internet (that is after all basically what we are doing). But the possibility is there.
@ Hacker89
Sorry man but I disagree about if you would get caught they could not arrest you because there are others doing it. That is like saying if you steal someones car they can not arrest you because there are lots of other people also stealing cars.
@ All
I just don't want to go to jail, that will mess my whole life up. Once you have a criminal record your life is basically over. And I also don't have enough money to pay a huge fine. But personally I think if they start realizing what's going on they will rather just block our tricks than lose more money by taking us to court. But then again they are basically rolling in money. And I think by this time all three the service providers have lost a substantial amount of money, so that's does give them a reason to take it further than just block the trick.
I'm quite worried about this...
Posted by Ruthless
All the service providers already know bout all these tricks but the only reason why they havent bothered blocking it is because its still not widespread... Once every tom dick and jabulani start using these settings, all the service providers need to do is simply deactivate the free sites (which i doubt will happen anytime soon)
and with the type of billings system in place it would be pretty simple to pick out the subcribers thats data usage is high but have a 0 balance (like myself) but it would be to much hassle to sue each and every individual for using the back door.
All in all what im tryna say is take advantage of this situation while its still available and dont worry bout jail (unless u using free internet to hack into goverment sites lol)
Posted by sitnet
@Ruthless
Thanx a lot for your opinion man, good point made. I just wish we could get a inside guy to tell us what's going on. Like someone at Vodacom Networking security. And yeah I hope that this won't resort to a huge court case, that will be a disaster.
We should really do something to restrict the general public from accessing this info, because then like you said to many people will know about this and the trick will get blocked. I also agree with you that they won't close their free sites down very soon, there are a lot of advertising etc. on those free sites and I think that also produces an income. And it would be an embarrassment, think of it, "Vodafone live websites closed down due to internet fraud by the general public". It will make them look stupid. And it will also let the people doubt their communication privacy and security, I mean if normal people can exploit their internet, then what else isn't possible???
Hopefully this still lasts long. But we really need to take action to keep this more secretive. I already asked Admin here at Esato if we can password protect the Free internet topics but they said that Esato does not have this capability. But maybe a whole new forum section should be made, the the Moderators forum. And only certain people should be granted access. And then all the other Free Internet Topics should be closed down.
Posted by Cyborg_a0
very much agree to Ruthless, like here in philippines they already know our illegal doing, its just that they can't do an action against us due to our numerous number it shall affect their income if they block us all, we still use other services like text/call specialy here we are called 'texting capital'
i think its just a waste of time for them to search and do an action towards us, what they'll only do is block our trick.
Posted by Hacker89
@Sitnet
hehe as you can see i replaced the other post with this one
Keep on hacking
[ This Message was edited by: Hacker89 on 2010-01-08 16:12 ]
Posted by sitnet
@hacker89
I totally agree with what you say. But I'm gonna be honest, I would rather let the trick get blocked than having to go to court. I am going to do my best to convince Admin to create another forum section just for FBT and with limited access. So only trusted peole can access it. Delete your post now.
@ ALL
Do not trust anyone! If people PM you for tricks DO NOT REPLY!!! I think their are a few people like Cyborg_a0, Hacker89, anningg, voodowizzard (he's been at working on this trick for long, I know that) etc. which we can trust because they have contributed so much to making this trick work, if they were with a service provider, they are also now guilty.
I hope I can convince admin on a private forum!
Posted by Ruthless
@hacker89
u are rite bout one thing, the service providers will eventually find a way to shut us down but not the way u described it. By using the dot trick from vodacom u are not really connecting to the vodafone site but rather fooling their servers into thinking that u are so it allows data to be passed through. So even if the site has a limit we will be connecting straight to the proxy server...
Posted by Cyborg_a0
hmm as i remember way past, when @trick is still working in our network we experience download limit using default ip of our network but if we change it there's no download limit.
As for us they can't put a limit because we have a setting that is specially/purposely for phone as modem, and that setting as well is the one we're using in a trick.
Posted by Hacker89
@Ruthless
Ja sure they may not block it like that. If you would read with attention you will see that i did not say that "THEY WILL BLOCK IT LIKE THAT" i simply mentioned that it is a simple and possibly the best way for them to block it. You think that they can not limit your download? Think again Mr intelligent. Why do you think cell c guys use mxit.co.za as their free site when they have cellc.co.za? Not for fun but because cell c allow a limited amount of data through their site and by using the cell c site you will experience what i have explained.
Posted by Ruthless
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Thank you Hacker89, u have actually just showed me how correct i actually was. U see if u go to ur default browser using the normal settings and have no airtime and type in cellc.co.za u will notice that it still redirects u to the insufficient funds page, that means that cellc.co.za is not a freesite so thats y u cant use it on any of the tricks. That has nothing to do with any download limits on a webpage. Currently the only free sites on cellc is mxit.co.za and winc.mobi
so next time pls have ur facts straight b4 u try and step up 2 me
Posted by Hacker89
@Ruthless
What facts are you talking about dude! At this moment i still can go onto the cell c free why would i even mention it in the first place. Maybe you and some other people can not. Same with vodacom there is people that can not go on to the vlive site free
Posted by voodowizzard
Hacker and ruthless cut the debate are you bored or something
hacker and ruthless do you have mtn sim cards if you have please download bolt browser,it can download unsupported files internally and you can save on mmc file system , search on bolt handler on http://sharemobile.ro ,it works even on samsungs .ill give the settings after youve got it, im trying to keep you busy coz im tired of your debate
Posted by Ruthless
Lol @voodoowizard
i have both bolt 1.5 and 1.6 but i use vodacom and cellc, send the settings then ill see what i can do
Posted by Hacker89
@Voodowizard
Dude i already tried 3 modified bolt version(Not handler versions because they never work on my samsung). You said that they even have for samsung why don't you just email yours to me. It's irritating they have 193 bolt files i can't try all
Posted by voodowizzard
My phone cant copy and paste but ill try my best to the link for you
Posted by anningg
I tried the bolt once but i never got it to work...about that rica thng, dont u guys thnk they are gna knw if they notice that there is an unaccoutably huge amount of data they are giving out to their customers(us) who they think are "browsing their freesite"
Posted by voodowizzard
Bolt browserHandler1.6
http://sharemobile.ro/file.php?id=434979
[ This Message was edited by: voodowizzard on 2010-01-09 12:42 ]
Posted by Hacker89
I say let them watch and take notice because why may the public not be curious about their advertisements on their site lol
Posted by anningg
Lol, k hacker cant they see the amount of data a particular customer has used and the website the customer browsed and within what time the customer used dat data? If yes then they will notice dat that that customer only cannot browse the site with about 2gb in a day like i do
Posted by sitnet
Yeah I feel a little bad for Vodacom, I "stole" 4.7 GB yesterday (Movies, 2012 was awesome movie BTW). But then again, have you seen the call and sms rates compared to other countries, for me this is like getting back at them. I have set a limit for myself, I calculated the difference in call rates in SA compared to America and that difference I will download for free (at least).
For some damn nice downloads (where I get the movies): AZuLike.com , PosEIdoN (movie uploader guy) rules!
Posted by Hacker89
Yes they can see your data usage but there are so many people using the net at once maybe they are lazy to try and go through every single account. Which is why i download and browse with a different card than the one i use to call people and buy airtime on.
Damn dude you have patients to wait for the movie to download fully. Never shall i unless it is on the phone
Posted by Hacker89
@Voodowizard
It's strange that the download redirects me back to the proxy site but some proxies can not open it. I will try a different proxy also i must try out bolt i love the fact that it has a pc view
Posted by Hacker89
@Voodowizzard
I thought you said that the bolt link you gave me work on samsung also but the proxy sites gave me problems with the link and so i downloaded with airtime using my cell c sim and it downloaded but once it finished it said ERROR INVALID FORMAT. You telling me i spended so much time for an application that at the end does not work on the phone
Posted by mweaich
Chapter 2 of the bill of rights in South Africa states "everyone has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have - part (d) the privacy of their communications infringed." look it up guys, google this 'chapter 2 Bill of rights (ss 12-15) 14 Privacy south african constitution. There is no way RICA can touch the constitution not even the highest court in South Africa!!!!!!!! FREE INTERNET FOREVER!!!!!!!!
Posted by sitnet
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This is true but Rica overules the bill of rights if a warrant for investigation is obtained. They don't hand out these warrants at checkers but it is still possible.
Posted by mweaich
Lol, nothing over rules the bill of rights, this not america! Here in SA it don't work like that, you cannot infringe on someone's rights for example a new amendment was made, it states that a person may be on all south african soil without being provoked to leave in any way unless by ones own right, ( in other words when u see some thief stealing your dvd player from your lounge at 3 in the morning you may not attack, provoke or harm him, only The Police have that covered ) so no RICA cannot intercept communications as it is unconstitutional ( I love being a fourth year law student (^^,) ) and this above statement should not be seen as a attack to anybody just informing yol peepz who are fearful of RICA.
Posted by Hacker89
Yes mweaich is correct. Nothing is beyond the constitution of South Africa. We have a lawyer at our side now that makes me feel safe lol you can back me up in court
Posted by mweaich
[ This Message was edited by: mweaich on 2011-01-12 21:35 ]
Posted by Hacker89
lol just don't go getting a modem when you start earning big bucks lol then who will represent me
Posted by mweaich
Hahaha ya, what's this I hear about a new trick, is it secure. Does it block your IP?
Posted by voodowizzard
Lol. Secret
Posted by shazoo
Ok no matter wat free internet ur using ur service provider can see the amount of data u using......but i dont think they will go through each n everybodies profiles n histories n if they happen to catch us u simply say "i didnt know its against the law?? I just went on google n clicked on a link n followed it"coz its like just entering a normal adress wen u using proxies like anogoogle ....u not hacking into anything;)
Posted by unkn0wn1
Have u all forgotten its south africa? U just have to slip the guy a few bucks
Posted by just1n
no1 should be afraid of nething...you'll did not sign ne terms and conditions ai its prepaid network,as well to the fact tha all you doing is typing a word promt command to access a url you are not illegally hacking through any restricted firewall
Posted by mweaich
Fok Rica!
Posted by chrisparov
No.. My girlfriend's name is Rica. Have u guys seen that show Americas Dumbest Criminals? I think the same thing is happening right here. Esato is one of the reasons that our tricks gets blocked. I have nothing against Esato its just that as long as people post here the networks will know if thay are getting robbed or not even without checking data usage on their sites.
Posted by b0ng0s
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True That.
Posted by mweaich
“It's hard to get along with people. As much as you try to like
them and accept them as individuals, it becomes difficult
because they keep getting out of line andwasting your
time.”
Posted by sharpguy
@chrisparov False that! We ain't dumb we're anonymous & we can post whatever perfection we've got under our sleeves without worrying about Rica&ISPs, if a trick gets blocked we'll discover another one because that's what we internet masters live for. Nothing is impossible to accomplish when you've got knowledge.
[ This Message was edited by: sharpguy on 2011-04-29 10:52 ]
Posted by twizzy
guys a real hacker never get scared rica doesnt mean we r going 2 get in court just keep it the only thing to make people safe its to get a private forum an make the limit of 40 people
am done with esato its not safe
Posted by Trevorian
Bazinga!Hows a screenshot?
[ This Message was edited by: Trevorian on 2011-04-29 21:28 ]
Posted by doellied2
Guys i wanted to know how this Rica stuff worked , so i met this guy who was a Rica Agent and we .........
..... long story short he made me a Rica agent and now i am able to Rica my family and FRIENDS so maybe i can help my friends here at Esato just let me no how. :):):):)