Posted by brownie1989
I have seen lots of people in the UK, England and the phones with 3G always use there batteries up 5x faster than 2G phones. there arnt many places in England where i can pick up a 3G signal. so is there any point of wasting my money.
Posted by jcwhite_uk
I nearly always have a 3G signal. I use it 3G a lot, mainly for the high speed data but also the video calling evry so often.
Posted by whentheleveebreaks
I turned it off, get twice the amount of battery power without it, plus its a bit pointless, i use wifi at work and at home and i never video call as it never works.
Posted by Dogmann
@brownie1989
I don't know where you are in the UK but 3G coverage is good in most places and by most Networks. I never use Video calling and doubt i ever will but if you use Mobile Data the difference in speed is like using Dial up compared to Broadband.
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Posted by Sammy_boy
I have to admit I'm not that bothered about upgrading to 3G. I might use the quicker data speeds a bit, but only for things like checking emails and browsing Esato... which I can do fine with 2.5G!
I'm quite happy on 2G and will stick with it for the immediate future at any rate, will wait till 3G data rates come down a bit more and people like three get rid of their ridiculous content 'walled garden'.
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Posted by Dogmann
@Sammy_boy
Not too sure what you mean by when Data rates come down a bit more as if you are with T-Mobile and take either of their Web N Walk tariffs they are either £7.50 or £10 per month and even 3 now have 2 Data packages at similar prices and if you get a HSPDA able device T-Mobile even include this speed increase in their price plans. 3.5G speeds are going to be getting much faster over the next couple of Years and much faster than Broadband speeds are at the moment all this of course means nothing if you don't use or intend to use Mobile Data.
Marc
Posted by BobaFett
3g is a great feature, do love it. Especially cos its very fast at browsing. But for a really useful usage get a fone with edge and 3g support
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Posted by Supa_Fly
3G is not the problem > well at least on your side of the pound & in your various wonderous countries. On my side of the pond in my country Canada its just TOO expensive!
For most of you gents in Europe its battery technology and frugal consumption there of. Battery technologies for cellphones are just too old.
> Fuel Cell is still too new and too bulky to incorporate for usuage of our slim factor phones today.
As the future consumption rate for power continues our requirement for it will increase.
Posted by alrodlop35
I don't know if I'm lucky or unlucky I don't have this dilemma. There's no 3G in my country!
Posted by BobaFett
Hope u ll have it soon. Its great to watch tv when u have to travel around
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Posted by darrengf
I have used 3G Technology now for the last 3 years, (An Early Adapter of 3G)
And So far its the bigest and best thing for Mobiles.
However yes that are downsides. When using 3g on your mobile (Video Calling or normal calling) Battery does drain quicker this is how the technology works currenlty, however so far this is improving all the time.
I Use Orange 3G and so far have been very impressed. The network is getting bigger every monh, I know get 3g coverage in the country side where i have never had it before. I also use o2 3g and can say that this is getting better, but no where nearly as big as Orange or the other networks.
I use 3g for video calling, data, emails and mms. Its so much faster in every respect
Is there anything i don't like. No not really. Battery life i would say for what i use is good (SE K800i) However I did have a Nokia N80 and the battery life on there was shocking. You needed to carry a car battery round with you all the time.
What you have to remember tho why the battery drains faster than a normal 2g phone.
When you have 3G Signal you phone will also look for a 2G signal as a back up. So if you are making a call, you lose the 3g signal and transfer over to 2g like you never knew anything was happening.
Never had a problem wih oranges 3g transfer, However i cant say the same about o2 3g to 2g warm transfer.
If you live in the uk where you have no 3g, your phone will work harder to look for one thus your battery will not last as long. (The phone was designed and built for 3g)
This is an example of battery life
you make a call on the 3g network (voice call only)
The phone still looks for a 2g signal (Making the phone work twice as hard)
If the phone then goes automaticaly trasnfers to the 2g network the phone stops looking for the 3g as it knows it isnt required so making the phone only use the normal battery life.
You turn the phone onto 2g only, the phone never searchs for the 3g network and so saves on battery life.
Also there are other factors involved. If you live in a country where you live near mobile phone mast, the phone will hardly use any battery as it knows it has near to 100% perfect signal strength.
You live in a part of the country where the signal is poor, The phone works harder to look for a better signal and keep hold of the poor signal it has.
i luv 3g and cant wait for 4g which isnt all that far away.
@alrodlop35 Regarding your country, Currenlty there is no agreements or any new agreements regarding 3g in your country.
The problem is that where you live had a different way of using your mobile phones and the networks i beleive didnt follow the GSM route with most of the world.
The GSM networks in Colombia are still in there early stages I beleive your youngest network is only 4 year old.
The 3G has to have a special licence then from your goverment and i know the as you use 850mhz/1900mhz you will gain 1900mhz 3g technology.
Again rest of the world except USA for 3G uses 2100mhz, and i beleive that there are not many phones out there for the 1900mhz 3G band.
Hope this helps.
@Prom1
Regarding Canada, This is down to how people over your side of the pond use there phones.
Europe tend to use Data and SMS, however USA and Canada generaly use PTT (Push to Talk) and voice more.
Its a Culture difference.
I can remeber when i first went to the USA with my first Camera phone, Well i had people coming up to me asking me to look at it and asking me what i was doing with my phone.
I know when i was in the states in Dec I was in the local Mobile shops and was browsing when the sales staff new i was from england they were asking me what phones we had.
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Posted by Dogmann
@darrengf
Sorry but i have to disagree with you on my phone a Nokia N93 i can choose UMTS, GSM or Dual mode. So as i am with T-Mobile and mainly in London i can select UMTS and have an excellent 3G signal without my phone constantly searching for both GSM and 3G signals. maybe that's why i have such good battery life as it doesn't constantly search for signals.
Marc
Posted by darrengf
@Dogmann
As the N93 is a smart phone like the P990 you are able to choose GSM, UMTS or Both.
None Smart like the k800i allows you to choose GSM+UMTS or GSM only.
However some networks (Three) remove the function altogether so you are not able to choose what band you want.
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Posted by *Jojo*
I manage to OWN some 3G fones in the past (N70, K800, K600, K608i . . .) and I can say that I rarely USE the fone's - 3G feature (only ONCE I guess
). The RATE of usin' the VIDEO CALL and LIVE CALL at one my my end's NETWORKS charges the same . . . so, practicality wise, might as well USE the Video Call - right But the problem is . . . 3G handsets still cost a BIT expensive thatn the normal ones . . . given some more time, everybody can afford one . . . and I am very OPTIMISTIC that Video Calling will become as ORDINARY as sending: SMS or MMS . . . in a few year's time.
Posted by alrodlop35
@darrengf
I wasn't really aware of this issue because I'm not very interested in having 3G. My mom sure would love it though.
I know former OLA (now Tigo) was researching implementing 3G but it's just not viable in a country where more than 70% of users are on a pre-pay account and use very low end handsets. Also since they've been absorbed they're focusing on the low end of the market for people with limited budget.
I also don't think the coverage could be any good since the country has so many mountains and remote places cell signal can't reach.
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... at least from a technical standpoint. Of course it is expensive to build a suitable network. That might be the problem.
As for other aspects of 3G: I very often use it for data (via notebook in the train etc.) browsing MMS. Very rarely for videocall - that's not an killer-applications. Despite the fact, that the rates are the same as for voice, I almost never use it.
The tarifs for 3G-data are the same as for 2G or 2.5G data, and there even are reasonable flat-rate plans. So the acceptance of 3G depends on 3 reasons:
1. 3G phones available for reasonable prices
2. Reasonalbe prices for data or some flatrate-plans
3. 3G Wa/WML/HTML services that make sense
Some countries and operators do have this others don't. In some countries customers just don't care that much about all this. In the US for example SMS and MMS are rarely used - but many there are fond of PTT - which is absolutely no issue here. For me - I definitely don't want PTT, the normal calling procedure is perfectly ok. I don't see any reason for PTT to exist, but maybe I don't get the point of it - where is the advantage of that? If someone wants to contact me he can simply call me.
Posted by carkitter
I find 3G good for downloading music to the phone and for internet connection to laptop. Video calling is good if you can find someone with another 3G phone to call...
Alot of the 3G services are unnecessary and are simple blatant revenue gathering.
Posted by altemyr
What I don't understand is why people buy a 3G phone and then immediately switches the 3G off to save battery. Turn the phone off entierly, and the battery will last even longer ! Oh, you mean you cant make phone calls when the phone's off? Well, there are certain parts of the functionality of the phone that you loose if you turn the 3G off too. There are many phones on the market without 3G but with similar functionality in other aspects (compare K800i vs. K790i, for example) and sometimes to a lower price, so why buy something that you don't use?
Posted by masseur
I buy camera phones but almost never take pictures with the camera
actually I rarely use the music player either
perhaps some people prefer the style of, say, the K800 over other non 3g alternatives
is it really for us to judge other peoples choices?
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I can buy that argument up to a certain point. For example, my car is supposed to have a top speed of about 200 Km/h, I think, and the motorcycle I owned many years ago was able to go over 250 Km/h, but the maximum allowed speed on any public road here in Sweden where I live is far much lower, and I tend to follow the speed limits (at least almost
) for many reasons.
For telephone buyers, many people tend to be more attracted to design and coloring of the handsets than of the functionality. (I don't understand why someone would buy a K800i for that reason though, imho, it's almost ugly, even though I own one) A couple of years ago, there was an investigation made and it was a remarkably large percentage of owners of GPRS and WAP enabled phones that did not even know how to send an SMS messag. I suspect that for many people, 3G is only something that consumes the battery power and does not add any gain.
Much of this is probably due to technical reasons and that it is too difficult for some to set up everything correctly, and the only thing you can do is to pity those for what they miss.
Posted by haruhiko
3G is especially useful here in Hong Kong, as three has launched its unlimited web browsing and msn messenger plans, it simply rocks!
Posted by fyrestrtr
In the Middle East; phones are bought on the following basis:
1. How new is it
2. How "pretty" (for girls) or "flashy" (for guys) is it
3. Nokia or Other
4. Arabic language support
Let me explain:
1. Telephones in the Middle East are almost always released in Dubai first. So what happens in Kuwait (and Saudi Arabia and Bahrain) is that people fly into Dubai for the weekend, grab the hottest phone from the duty free shops and fly back. They usually pay quite a premium. In my experience, the starting price for a 3G camera phone is in the $900+ range, depending on model. The newer the phone, the more desirable it is the more its value is inflated during the first week of release. i-mate JASJAM (HTC TyTn). When released: $1,400. After one week: $1,312. After two weeks: $900.
2. Girls usually go for the designer phones, guys usually go for the gaudy phones. I suppose this is normal everywhere.
3. Nokia has a stranglehold in the ME. So much so that you can't even find accessories for other brands. There are a few SE shops (1 authorized in Kuwait); compare that to Nokia that has three authorized dealers and service providers. Another reason its so popular is because it provides default Arabic support.
SMS is king here in Kuwait and also in the Middle East. There are more SMS-based services here than you can shake a stick at. I spoke once with a Nokia engineer (who was flying back to Dubai). He was in Kuwait upgrading the servers that form the backend for SMS services for one of the providers. He told me that in his experience going to countries and installing SMS hardware/software; he has never seen more widespread use of SMS than in the Middle East.
3G is available, but data rates are quite expensive. The volume is capped at 1GB on the most expensive plan. Video calling is also charged at a premium rate.
Most people don't really know that they have a phone with 3G or video calling services; all they know is, its the latest Nokia.
Of course the flip side to all this Nokia love is that you can get SE phones quite cheap here. Especially 'barely used ones'. I have witnessed it myself. I was in a shop browsing for a new phone. A guy walked in, returned his still-in-box P990. The reason? He didn't realize it didn't support Arabic. It also was not a Nokia. He just bought it 4 hours back.
The brand new all accessories -- other than the battery and travel charger were still in their wrapping; manual book was not even opened. The shopkeeper sold the P990 (used) for $100 less than the boxed one.
Gotta love it
Posted by JK
I use 3G everyday.
Posted by joe_pf
I would love having a 3g network here in El Salvador
Hoping that someday it could become available here!
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Posted by merlin002
I'm using 3G right now
Hook up your phone to a computer and surf wirelessly anywhere, but unlike GPRS, a 3G connection is much faster!
Posted by keight00i
since i bought my k800i, i have used 3G (mostly internet) liberally... i live in manila philippines and prior to 3G technology, mobile networks here only have 2.5G service, namely GPRS... we dont have EDGE here, so a 3G rollout has been a great help for most info-hungry mobile users awating a faster, more reliable connection than GPRS.
although i must say, since 3G is relatively new here (just launched Q2 2006), service outside the metropolitan area is patchy if not absent.
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Posted by lovewalrus
I for one think 3G is brilliant and within 4-5years wireless 3G or 4G data access will surpass home broadband connections! The only pearson i think this is because of our need for wireless internet at home, which is restricted to us being within our houses and the growin market for laptops-with the best will in the world, i can't make my Netgear router push a signal more than 100m's! Ha however, my t-mobile usb modem gives me a 1.8mb connection pretty much everywhere! :-)
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Posted by carkitter
I have a 3G Vodem which plus into a USB port on my laptop. No more landline! Yippee!
Posted by Horonaim
I also used the 3G service as my internet connection before.
very good indeed. Thats probably the only thing that makes me miss my K800.
@keight
AFAIK, SMART has EDGE on their network...
Posted by mustafabay
Some time this year we're getting a new mobile provider here in Egypt, Etisalat is the name like the UAE. And they're bringing HSDPA. I really could care less all I'm hoping for is better prices on everything espesially data and SMS. The current prices on our duapoly are just rediculous. And even funnier is that they are exactly the same prices from when they introduced SMS and GPRS. Actually prepaid isn't that bad off as we never got a price hike, post paid used to have data that was 33% cheaper than prepaid but now they're the same. People only really use a service when it gets cheaper which never happens. So hopefully we'll get better prices soon and be able to use everything.
I'm currently on vodafone and the accuired a 3g licence too. So how's voda when it comes to HSDPA? Is it rolling it out or no?
And I guess by next year we'll have all three operators with 3g, the gouvernment is trying to screw our other network Mobinil by trying to get them to pay for a 3g licence just to install edge. Of course with edge and base 3g being quite close in data rates and in 2009 Ericsson will be boosting edge to 1Mbps it could be reasonable if there were no HSDPA.
Posted by *Jojo*
........................................................ whether we LIKE it or DON'T, the very DAY will COME that almost ALL handsets will have this 3G-feature on it ! Prepare for owning a 3G handset (in the FUTURE) then . . . .
Posted by whizkidd
I might go for a 3g handset..... Even though its only the initial stage of 3g implementation here in india... But i guess, i won't be using 3g that much in the forseeable future..
Posted by *Jojo*
On 2007-04-24 02:17:00, whizkidd wrote:
I might go for a 3g handset..... Even though its only the initial stage of 3g implementation here in india... But i guess, i won't be using 3g that much in the forseeable future..
. . . YOU will I guess, specially if the charging RATE by that TIME is just the SAME as they CHARGE you with sending your SMS/MMS or browsing the NET
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Posted by zakc
3G reception is kinda flakey where I live. So long as I'm in the city I'm ok with the services. But if I'm out and about around my locality, then it's GSM most of the time. If 3G services were a bit more affordable then I'd subscribe to the TV thing with vodafone. I do use the 50 free minutes of video calling I get every month. but most of the time we switch the cameras off and just use it to speak.
I figure that the networks need to find out what T-mobile are doing to be able to provide such excellent data deals and come up with their own answers to it. I use a k800i on WnW as a modem for my laptop. It'd be much better for myself and I'm sure other customers; if vodafone had more affordable data solutions.
Posted by tonchy
i would love to use 3G but i can't
i have a k800 i am in the US and the Cingular frequency is different and when i go back to my home country which is Bolivia i won't be able to use it either because my country's plans are to stay with edge for a while so i guess i will have to wait until i go abroad to europe or HK
Posted by aatuif
What after 3g...
Posted by ryolasta
I think whether u need 3G/UMTS or not is depend to your needs and the situation near you. I mean, if you don't need wireless big bandwith for fast internet connection, than you don't need 3G/UMTS. if you are a heavy user internet and got lucky to have a hot-spot area for Wifi with a big bandwith, and you have a Wifi enabled device, than you don't need 3G/UMTS.
but if you want to have fast internet, don't have a near hotspot wifi area, and don't have a wifi device, and especially you are a mobile person, i think 3G/UMTS is a must. the speed is much much better and faster than the speed of dialup with 56K phone modem or normal GPRS (2G).
Posted by Aivar
Good point, Ryolasta!
I only add that if you sometimes want to make a videocall then you must have 3G phone. But if you are regular mobile phone user and you don't need high speed data transfer, it's better to switch 3G off from your phone to save the battery life.
PS. If you travel to Japan and/or South Korea you also need a 3G phone, because there is no good old GSM.
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PPS. Japan and S. Korea (and Chine but it has moved to 1700/2100,afaik) ain't using 3G common standardisation
Posted by Dogmann
@aatuif
3.5G which is already with us hence HSPDA and will be followed by the very unoriginal 4G etc etc.
@occupied
Although WiMax was being hailed as the next big thing now that HSPDA is starting to offer such high download speeds and these Networks are already in place. I no longer see WiMax as this great threat to mobile Networks but only time will tell.
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Posted by occupied
dunno is it me or my netwk sux but i found that hsdpa runs on edge speed (about 80kbps or so. i'm on a 3g net which implements hsdpa).
besides wimax wouldn't cost telecom providers as much as gsm/umts/hsdpa. in the amount of bts they have to build at least
Posted by psikey
I use 3G with my laptop on occasion (3-4 times per month) for mobile web browsing. Usually have no problem getting 3G and on UK Orange you can have unlimited usage for one day for £1 (PAYG) which is much cheaper than a WiFi bundle or hotel WiFi cost. Great when away on business.
Posted by BBS
I have 3G service plan but I seldom use 3G service, mainly due to battery life problem. I have used video call for about a minute so far just for testing. Only one if my friends had 3G service, now he has switched to 2G, with whom I had tested. Actually this service plan is waste of money.
For the handset, I sometimes need roaming in Japan and Korea and 3G handset eliminates need of hiring compatible handset, usually with new number.
Posted by Dogmann
@psikey
I would advise you to be careful as you may find that that £1 day rate excludes using your phone as modem and only covers browsing on the phone. It may even exclude IM and VOIP as well as steaming services also.
Marc
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Posted by tk338
Does 3g cost the same as GPRS with O2?
Posted by Dogmann
@tk338
Yes at the same rip off price still from 02 I'm afraid i must admit every time i look at a phone on 02 and then get to their Data add on it does crack me up. I mean really £3 for 2mb or £5 for 4mb even with the included 1mb a month allowance that is a joke. On T-Mobile i get up to 1GB a month for £7.50 i wouldn't even get 10mb for that amount of money with 02 what a rip off.
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Posted by Supa_Fly
Wow & I thought that ROGERS WIRELESS here in Canada had the monopoly on RIPPING OFF its users, lol.
Posted by Aivar
On 2007-05-19 23:17:00, occupied wrote:
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PPS. Japan and S. Korea (and Chine but it has moved to 1700/2100,afaik) ain't using 3G common standardisation
The 3G (UMTS 2100, also known as WCDMA 2100) works also in Japan and South Korea. You can check it from GSM Association website: www.gsmworld.com.
(I have been told that information also by my home operator, who has 3G raoming in Japan and in South Korea.)
Posted by himlims_nl
i like 3g, fast and wireless connection to the web.
however it's costs are usualy high. Because of the outragious licenses the providers had to pay.
but there are some downsides with it, like most providers here. You're not allowed to view streaming video (youtube), listen to your favorite radio streams, use a voip-service.
3g is realy great i think... or at least i could be