Posted by Drew22
I have just got myself a K800i I am just wondering if it is possible to use the flash on the camera like a torch like you can on the K750i. It was a usefull thing to have as it was so bright.
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Posted by masseur
welcome to Esato
this has been asked many times in the last 2 weeks but unfortunately the answer is still no!
Posted by Drew22
Oh well!!
Thanks for you reply.
Posted by shuja91
I have'nt seen k800 but this function must be there.
Posted by masseur
no, the K800 uses a proper (xenon) flash whereas the K750 just has an LED bright light.
you need only check the K800 white paper to confirm this
The k800 flash just flashes when you take the photo whereas the K750 can be left on constantly
they are different things
Posted by QVGA
Whats makes the k800 flash unable to be kept on?
Posted by Ja99iE
Probably the large amount of power consumption compared to a standard LED.
Posted by bugsiiy
guys,the flash on the k800 is a xenon flash,yes the battery power is a factor but the flash cannot be kept more that a few seconds on because it will burn itself up
Posted by PowerLee
What a bummer, Another reason ill keep my K750I then.
Sony Ericsson have done it again, Lets hope they put a torch feature on the K800I replacment, A couple of super bright white leds aint gonna cost much.
The torch is bloody handy, Ive used it loads of times.
Also how do you shoot video in the dark if the K800I only has a flash?
I know shooting video isnt a K800I strong point, Seems this new phone is a let down.
Posted by SonySandy
The K800 is a fantastic phone, it just doesn't have 2 crummy LED's and its not the best for video, although in general terms at least a match for the K750i (the LED's did little to improve video clips in poor lighting in my use).
Granted the torch feature was handy, although the screen was typically bright enough to get you there, especially after the long winded way of turning on the light and then turning it back off.
Certainly the flash is less intrusive when taking pictures, than blinding all your mates for several seconds with 2 LED's while you composed your image.
Posted by Twix
I am really interested to see what this thing looks like when it takes a photo. I don't suppose someone has a link to a video of someone using this xeon flash or does someone want to upload one.
Thanks
Posted by jcwhite_uk
The flash doesnt work with video as it only flases once. If you could use the flash in the dark then all you would see is black with a very brief flash of light and then darkness.
It is the same sort of flash that you get on any standard camera. It flashes once very quickly and that is it.
Posted by Drew22
I dont think there would be a problem with the xenon light burning up as this is what most top of the range cars now have. Or am I completely off the mark?
Posted by taniame
LOL op, please note that it is a FLASH, yes u heard it right. It is a FLASH, a real one
A real camera flash is NOT able to be used as a torch
Posted by dreamfish
I thought they were using the term 'flash' as a gimmick but it really IS a flash. I have a sony cybershot camera and its exactly the same.
Those who want a torch, take a photo of a white piece of paper and use that!
Posted by taniame
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LOL, nice one man
But i think maxing your brightness will be more than enough already
Posted by jcwhite_uk
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This works in a diffrent way to xenon car headlights. It works in the same way as a strobe light. It charges up a high voltage in a large capacitor and then releases it all in one go making a very bright light.
Posted by max_wedge
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You've got W900, W810, W850 etc to choose from if you want a phone that doubles as a camera, but also has a torch. If you want a much better camera though you need a K800, and yes, it won't have some of the things standard on cheaper models. Video as mentioned is a disappointment, but it's also worth noting that quality video isn't usually part of a dedicated digital camera. They've squeezed 3G AND a 3.2MP camera into one device - I don't begrduge the lack of better video in the K800.
If you want better video, get the W900, it still has 2MP camera and bloody nice phone.
Posted by rockygali
with K750, the problem was it doesnt have much light coz it only uses led in shooting in the dark, thats why they made MXE-60...
and with K800, it has a builtin xenon, now the problem is that adorable LED we all scrutinizing about... hopefully theyll make an MXE-60-like add on to K800, this time not a xenon light but LED lights to act as a torch for videos... how bout that?
Posted by max_wedge
you can get a torch for the old connector. but it points down not out like you would need it for video.
The should make something - bloody good idea rocky
Posted by xan K
this shows two things actually...
1. Nothing's perfect and you CAN'T have it all.
2. It's impossible to satisfy EVERYONE at once.
...or was it really three things...
Posted by QuickShare
for professional thought, its impossible.. cause the name was Flash.. for my dumb thought, its possible by using the BestPic™ setting and shot it in the dark.. i hope the flash will keep flashing and surely u cant find anything from that cause it'll keep flashing
im not pretty sure it'll works but just give yourself a try
Posted by mephisto2k
BestPic doesn't allow use of the Flash
Posted by Mstill
As I've posted before and as dreamfish pointed out. Take a pic of something plain and white.
Especially if u do it in the dark to make the flash fire u get an extremely bright picture.
Just make sure its the last thing in the camera folder, then whenever u need ur torch:
Press top left button (above screen)
Then down on the joystick
Posted by Nebbs
I've got a better idea for a torch...
...go buy a torch!!
Brilliant...problem sorted!!
And before you all start ranting about having to carry a torch around as well as a phone, why not get a mini maglite with the key ring attachment...Brilliant!!! When ever you go out you always need ya keys!!!
Posted by mr_stoosh
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Exactly, you can't go wrong with a Mini Maglite, and you'll always have it with you when you're out and about...
That reminds me, i better go out and get a new one, I lost my Mini Maglite, when i misplaced my set of keys! lol!!
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I had a even smaller light onmy keyring, but when the batt ran out I ended up just using the K750 light - it is very handy, plus never worry about batteries cause you keep the phone charged anyway.
Posted by loomx63
You can still sort of use a torch on the K800i, I do, when its dark, just slide the cover open and hold down focus and the bright orange focus led comes one, that works well as a torch for me... if there was some way to make it stay one i.e with software then, huzzah you have a torch
Posted by BlacK Devil
@ a little offtopic
does the flash turn on at every photo(lower light) or you can turn it off and take pictures without it(even in low light) ?
LE: cheers masseur
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Posted by masseur
you can turn the flash off if you don't want it, even in low light, just like on a normal camera
Posted by CaRMaN
I still dont see why they coulkdn't have made the torch function using the orange focus LEDs as mentioned earlier.....
Posted by slugworth
does the bulb blow after so many hours? like a house bulb? like if u drop the k800i will the filament die?
Posted by michka
There is no filament in a Xe flashlamp: it is an electric arc that lights the Xe gas inside the bulb. And that is also why this type of lamp cannot be continuously lit. It would consume way too much power (and I mean several tens of watts here) and the lamp would also almost instantly melt due to heat generation by the arc.
Posted by jasond
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When you say last thing in the folder - does that mean that whenever you take a new picture, it will overtake the white file?
Were you meaning first thing in the folder? Cheers!
Posted by Bambino
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it should be!
I hope they enable the function in the next firmware
Posted by sapporobaby
@shuja91,
Why aer you posting crap? If you do not know then don't say anything. You state that you have not seen the phone but it must be there. Well the function is not there. The k800i has a Xenon light while the other phones had an LED.
Posted by staffanp
Actually it isn't that hard to make a midlet that uses the red/orange led as a torch. This using the newly implemented JSR 234. Did this myslef, works quite well =)
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Posted by sapporobaby
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Great. Job well done. Post a copy for us all to enjoy. Thanks in advance.
Posted by kristianm
IMO, they should have kept the LED flashlights instead.
At least if you really xenon flash, there's MXE-60.
Posted by blackspot
It should have both IMO, and the LED should be placed on top of the phone so we can use it like a regular torch -- we don't need that for the camera anymore.
Posted by JK
There was a trick on the K700 i think, when you use the code and check if the light works then go out quickly it would have a strobe light effect, any one tried it yet?
Posted by sapporobaby
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I do not think if was a trick, buyt actually a feature. As I stated, if you leave the Xeon burning too long it will burn up. It is not designed to burn constantly. Why is this hard to understand?
Posted by kalleboo
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It's useful for video.
Posted by upper
Are the pictures just as good when the xenon flash is turned off?
Posted by Daisun
I reckon the flash is too weak, sometimes the interior shots at night look better with the flash off rather than on.
Posted by blackspot
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Personally, QCIF video with framerate <=15 fps is useless.
Posted by staffanp
Sure, I've uploaded it here http://torch.advanta.se
Make sure that you set the permissions for the midlet to "Multimedia" = No or you will get lots of questions about access to the camera when you run it.
enjoy =)
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Posted by Vercetti
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that's really nice thanks man, just one thing could it harm my phone?
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Phone history: T20e, T100, T630, K600i and now K800i
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Posted by staffanp
No, certainly not. The midlet does nothing that the camera does not. What it does is to activate the camera set to night conditions with autofocus, this way the phone will try to get focus and hence activating the the led. You might here a small "click" when the auto focus is activated.
All this can be done thanks to that the phone is JP 7 and has the camera part of JSR 234 implemented. It wouldn't not possible on for example a k750 (JP 6).
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