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Posted by joebmc
Having been involved and observed a few discussions here on esato which involve Islam and the Qurans teachings I think it would be a good idea if I actually read the book.

However I would like to know if anyone can recommend a true translated version in plain English. You know I don’t want to have to try and read all that “And ye tho shall be casted to death” but rather “he shall be cast to death” (hope you know what I mean).



Posted by kramer_hpal
what bout trying this site, it has 3 different translations to English:

http://www.theholyquran.org/

Posted by PeterKay
I have a simplified English transalation Quran at home, but not on the internet. However the Transalation by Yusuf Ali is very simple to read which can be found HERE.

This transalation looks easier as mentioned by Kramer above.

http://www.theholyquran.org/?x=s_main&kid=16

[ This Message was edited by: PeterKay on 2005-08-09 12:46 ]

Posted by joebmc
Thanks a lot

Posted by kramer_hpal
Your welcome

Posted by PeterKay
Please read with true heart and realise what Islam is really about


Posted by JK
Quote:

On 2005-08-10 12:42:03, PeterKay wrote:
Please read with true heart and realise what Islam is really about





I agree, alot of "interested" parties read it to ridicule it!

Posted by euqiddis
also ask the local mosque in your area for recommendations.

Posted by joebmc
The main reason i would like to read it really is to gain knowledge of others beliefs. I can’t say I will believe in the Quran no more than in the Bible or any holy scripts/books but a least I will have an idea of the Muslim belief.

Posted by PeterKay
The book has been revealed for mankind not just muslims, so anybody can read it and is welcome to. The only book not to have changed since the days of revelation and the book that you will find in any corner of the globe and in many muslims hearts.

You can go to any country in the world and if you ask for the Quran, they will give you the same copy that you will read at home or online.

No change can be made to a book that is Protected by Almighty God and this is a fact that no human can deny.


Posted by Melik
PeterKay,

good explained

i got a german and turkish Quran at home...

at kramer_hpal, nice site - never saw it before

Posted by PeterKay
@Melik, thanks.


Posted by goldenface
Won't some of its accuracy be lost if the Holy Quran is translated into another language?

Posted by 02
yes it is possible... but not much... coz the statement and the meaning to give is the same.... no change of story, events, etc.... But the actual language written (arabic) in the Quran will remain the same as always to the original.

Posted by slattery69
how do muslims deal with the cutural differences that various groups impose on the quran
for example some muslims were a full veil other are much more libera with it
from my studies of the quran i have found very little mention of women been fully covered, more that women should dress modesty.
also some culture that claim to be muslim seem to see women as a lower class yet the quran teaches that woman are equal and in some cases as mothers even seen on a higher plain to men.
how is it that we see such change from the original text?

Posted by zuhib
@slattery69 the above differences u just mentioned are simply becuz of lack of knowledge abt the Holy Qura'an ppl just dont try to understand the true meaning of wht the quraan says the just make their own ways

Posted by slattery69
that s what i was getting at since the quran is meant to be the dictated word of god unaltered.
yet all to often i see people acting in ways very different to the qurans teachings yet claiming to be muslim

Posted by PeterKay
Quote:

On 2005-08-10 20:22:28, slattery69 wrote:
how do muslims deal with the cutural differences that various groups impose on the quran
for example some muslims were a full veil other are much more libera with it
from my studies of the quran i have found very little mention of women been fully covered, more that women should dress modesty.
also some culture that claim to be muslim seem to see women as a lower class yet the quran teaches that woman are equal and in some cases as mothers even seen on a higher plain to men.
how is it that we see such change from the original text?



Chapter 24 Verses 30 and 31 from the Holy Quran states:

Tell the believing men to lower their gaze from looking at forbidden things, and protect their private parts from illegal sexual acts. That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze from looking at forbidden things, and protect their private parts from illegal sexual acts, and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, believers, that you may be successful.


http://www.theholyquran.org/?x=s_main&y=s_middle&kid=16&sid=4




Posted by sailaab
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Posted by slattery69
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male attendants free of sexual desires, or small children who have no carnal of women; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah in repentance, that ye may be successful.

a similar quote to yours yet not saying that women should cover up fully just the bosom from the site you pointed me to from the english translation of the quran. actually its the same quote from the english quran translated by yusaf ali.
odd how the same passage can imply different meaning in a different translation. who was your translation by?

[ This Message was edited by: slattery69 on 2005-08-11 08:59 ]

Posted by JK
their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty

The beauty of their face...

Posted by slattery69
surely thats an interpretation of the text not what it actually says.
you maybe correct however it doesnt say that. what im trying to get at is if the quran is the unaltered word of god surely you cant imposs your own interpretations on the text and thus possible alter gods words

Posted by Silkwood
Quote:

On 2005-08-10 23:52:32, PeterKay wrote:
or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants


Slaves and servants? Sounds a bit mediaeval!

Oxford Univerity Press have an English language "World's Classics" paperback edition which is easy to get. I'd say Christians should read this if only to understand the Islamic view of Jesus.

Posted by 02
its all up to culture... in my area only a few cover their faces... the statement just says to wear clothing that will not cause a man to be arouse or desire to think or do sin... thats all, beauty also goes with the figure of the women, that figure will not be allowed to show, meaning no tight fitting clothing!! nothing about covering up the face, or that or this watsoever.... just wear somthing appropiate..

and just to mention.. a man will be doin a sin to stare at a women more than once... as this will lead to fantasy of desire.. Thus women in some culture decide to cover their faces to help US men.. from doin such thinking...

u may say how about frends talking a man n a women.. talking is different u dont think of lust (that if u dont), but if u do, then u know ur doin a sin... thats why as gd women of Islam they help us by covering their faces..

Posted by slattery69
@o2
thats great thats what i was getting at the culturally people have distored the qurans meaning to suit themseleves.
your explaination was what i always understood islam to be about, which is very sensible when you think about it.
in its purest form islam can be a very good and very sensible religion a lot more progressive than its given credit for.

Posted by PeterKay
The women in Islam does not need to cover her face, but some women do. Islam does not place burden on a soul more than it can bear.




Posted by slattery69
@peter kay
that again was my understanding yet culturally some do expect women to cover up which i find strange.
however hopefully discussions like this will help clear up myths around islam and give people more knowledge on the religion

Posted by PeterKay
totally true.


Posted by Melik
Quote:

On 2005-08-11 10:02:39, slattery69 wrote:
@o2
thats great thats what i was getting at the culturally people have distored the qurans meaning to suit themseleves.
your explaination was what i always understood islam to be about, which is very sensible when you think about it.
in its purest form islam can be a very good and very sensible religion a lot more progressive than its given credit for.



thats the reason why so many people choose the islam as their religion.

Posted by muslimah

On 2005-08-10 23:43:41, slattery69 wrote:
that s what i was getting at since the quran is meant to be the dictated word of god unaltered.
yet all to often i see people acting in ways very different to the qurans teachings yet claiming to be muslim


Hi there
I'd like to clarify why there is so much difference within the muslims around the world...
Being muslim means we should follow the teachings of the quran...
BUT this is not enough by itself...
The quran only teaches us the do's and don'ts
It doesn't explain the HOW's
this is where the sunnah comes in... Which is basically what our prophet (peace be upon him) did and said.
We are told how to do things and how the prophet (peach be upon him) did everything in his life.
A lot of people unfortunately do not follow the sayings and teachings of the prophet (peace be upon him) thinking that following the quran is enough... Unfortunately they are wrong and may Allah guide them.
Once you follow the texts of the prophet (peace be upon him), you get the correct islam that muslims should strive to be followers of.
If you are interested in reading these teachings of out prophet (peace be upon him) then you should google BUKHARI and read the books of prayer, manners, women, money, ablution and EVERYTHING else

Posted by PeterKay
true sister, jazakallah khayr

Posted by Away
I know I'm a bit late, but I'll be glad to answer any Islam-related queries InshaAllah.

Posted by Supa_Fly
I just came across this old thread ... and I doubt many that have posted within are still frequent members of this site ... hopefully so as it always was a GREAT community of tech users that shared their lives openly. I loved that about Esato ... such less quarraling.

First round of quotes have me confused:

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On 2005-08-10 15:29:55, PeterKay wrote:
The book has been revealed for mankind not just muslims, so anybody can read it and is welcome to. The only book not to have changed since the days of revelation and the book that you will find in any corner of the globe and in many muslims hearts.

You can go to any country in the world and if you ask for the Quran, they will give you the same copy that you will read at home or online.

No change can be made to a book that is Protected by Almighty God and this is a fact that no human can deny.






On 2005-08-10 18:37:10, goldenface wrote:
Won't some of its accuracy be lost if the Holy Quran is translated into another language?



This message was posted from a S700




On 2005-08-10 20:08:11, 02 wrote:
yes it is possible... but not much... coz the statement and the meaning to give is the same.... no change of story, events, etc.... But the actual language written (arabic) in the Quran will remain the same as always to the original.



^ I had always believed that the Quran was NEVER to be changed (in Bold) as stated above and has always throughout time been kept as such until the recent years. In bold/Italics above I thoought the simple fact for translating the Quran from it's original language to any other in fact opens to "interpretation" which is a perception and personal (some things common not all) between people across our planet and thus can lead to be "rewritten" ... which is why there is so many versions of the Christian bible (the New King James version is what I was raised on until I was 13yrs old).

So I'm trying to understand how people feel about this as I learn more about this faith (without hurting feelings or feeling strange asking close friends that hold this faith dear to their hearts).



On 2013-01-10 14:05:28, muslimah wrote:

On 2005-08-10 23:43:41, slattery69 wrote:
that s what i was getting at since the quran is meant to be the dictated word of god unaltered.
yet all to often i see people acting in ways very different to the qurans teachings yet claiming to be muslim


Hi there
I'd like to clarify why there is so much difference within the muslims around the world...
Being muslim means we should follow the teachings of the quran...
BUT this is not enough by itself...
The quran only teaches us the do's and don'ts
It doesn't explain the HOW's
this is where the sunnah comes in... Which is basically what our prophet (peace be upon him) did and said.
We are told how to do things and how the prophet (peach be upon him) did everything in his life.
A lot of people unfortunately do not follow the sayings and teachings of the prophet (peace be upon him) thinking that following the quran is enough... Unfortunately they are wrong and may Allah guide them.
Once you follow the texts of the prophet (peace be upon him), you get the correct islam that muslims should strive to be followers of.
If you are interested in reading these teachings of out prophet (peace be upon him) then you should google BUKHARI and read the books of prayer, manners, women, money, ablution and EVERYTHING else


The "prophet" is mentioned but I'm not sure if sunnah is the name or the reflection of a prophet ... as the Quran, from what I've been told recognizes Jesus Christ a prophet as well, not the sun of "God" (Judaism/Christian/Catholic).

Posted by badassmam
@Supa_Fly

There is so much more complexity to the Quran and in order to truly understand it we should learn the Quranic Arabic, its different to the current Arabic. You won't necessarily lose anything in translation but you need to understand the Arabic to appreciate the beauty of the verses.

Even those who have studied the Quran for years and years may have different interpretations of what is written. Its easy to pick a verse and add your own interpretation to it which is what ISIS does in order to push a certain idea and this could be for the sake of causing mayhem but there are those who believe in their hearts that such and such is correct. The Quran was sent down as this, certain things are black and white while others are more grey areas but you then have to look at the examples of the prophets, the history and the climate during which the revelation was made. Its very complex and even after hundreds of years we all don't agree on certain things.

A simple example is with regards to the Quran saying that you can 'beat your wife'. Taking that verse alone you could have a field day but if you read on you are told that you can beat your wife but cannot leave a mark so what kind of beating would that be. Then you go through the examples that the prophets had given saying that to even slightly hurt your wife emotionally let alone physically is like cracking a priceless vase, you damage this beautiful object and leave a everlasting mark. Now, if you take this altogether you see that can't hurt your wife at all even before you get to this verse about beating your wife.

The Quran is indeed for all of mankind and not only Muslims, whatever God you worship you can still find wisdom in the Quran and depending on how deeply you study, there is an undeniable logic to what is written. You have to be careful what you read and the personal interpretations, they can lead you away and make it seem very convincing by giving lots of quotes from the Quran.


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