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EastCoastStar
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I was lookin at phone shops. (i do sometimes, for somethin to do, ya know?) and i was askin em about the k700/i and they had nooooo idea what i was talking about. noone there has heard of it. then i asked em about the P900, they said " thats the brand new one right? it should be coming out soon" and i was like... no the p910 is the new one... and they were like... the p910?!? whats that?? they didnt know about the z500 being released, or the z1010 or even the s700. before i got my t630, they didnt even know about that! they are so far behind... im getting a K700 soon... by the time i get it... and want a new phone and all... when it gets outdated and new stuff is out... it will just be comin out in the US, if it ever does!! the places here are just so far behind... i wasnt just at one shop eather, i went to 4 different ones!
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BobaFett
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What se fones do they sell right now?
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scotsboyuk
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@EastCoastStar
I recently read a report from 2002, in which the author gloatingly predicted that the U.S. was about to overtake Europe in mobile phone technology. He seemed rather pleased with his assesment and admitted to a degree of schandefreude. He also seemed to be under the illusion that the fragmented U.S. market was somehow an advantage over the centralised standardisation of the rest of the world.
Incidentally, this thread has a spot of discussion on the U.S. mobile market.
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kimcheeboi
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against centralization, even thought its better...
sounds like Bush on health care 
"this is going out to idiot america" 
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scotsboyuk
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@kim
Standardisation allowed both Europe and Japan to leap ahead of the U.S. in terms of mobile technology and services. Competition is all very fine and well, but not if it is actually hampering technological and market growth.
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ledson
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Funny how Standardization is what has made Europe & Asia pull ahead in the Phone tech world, but when it comes to Microsoft trying to Standardize computing, it's "evil"! 
Let the flame wars begin!
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EastCoastStar
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right now they are mainly selling the t230, t630, t610. other than those three... i hardley ever see any SE phones... SE is still big here... but it seems that if u want a good one, you have to ship from outside the country. (not that those are bad phones, they are excellent!).
i cant believe they say US is going to be ahead of Europe... unfortionatley... Nokia is doing pretty good here :-/ and Motorola is rising by the day. I dont mind Motorola... i just wouldnt want one as my phone. its really only SE for me. I really want to see America get ahead of Europe in the cell phone business. I cant see it happening. noone even has the P800 here... i have never seen one in person. I htink in NYC and california there are a couple... and hardley anyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy s700's, k700i's, or P900's. Noone i personally know has ever seen any of those. USA must have somehting planned for the future...
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@EastCoastStar
It isn't just a question of handsets, there is also service infrastructure to consider, not to mention cultural differences. This discussion has already been covered, in part, in the thread I linked to above, but I shall give a brief recap.
U.S. mobile customers use their mobiles in a different way to Europeans and Asians. M-commerce hasn't really taken off in the U.S. yet, therefore the level of services available to U.S. customers will be lower, this isn't something that can be changed in a hurry, it takes time. Without the more advanced services available to Europeans and Asians there is no impetus for introducing more advanced technology.
The U.S. networks have bene investing heavily in GSM recently, to expect them to be able to launch major 3G services in the very near future is probably unrealistic. Europe and and Asian operators have a much easier task in this respect because of exisitng GSM infrastructures and the fact that 3G networks have to cover a much small area with a much higher population density.
If the U.S. does want to take the lead in mobile technology it will require massive investment and major changes in how both the networks and customers utilise the technology and services.
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As discussed in earlier threads the manufacturers and providers work differently here in the US. It's not the stores fault that they don't have new models. To start off with, SonyEricsson waits with launching new models in the US until all bugs have been fixed and when the providers can give 100% support.
Europe spent a whole lot money on their 3G network. US providers are more cautious and tries to avoid getting in deep debt before launching 3G. However, on the other hand, non-GSM providers do have 3G up and running for quite some time now.
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scotsboyuk
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On 2004-10-27 17:43:05, amagab wrote:
To start off with, SonyEricsson waits with launching new models in the US until all bugs have been fixed and when the providers can give 100% support.
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Have the cows come home yet? 
Seriously though, I thought that the U.S. providers were investing quite heavily in improving their GSM networks and that is what is holding back the implementation of 3G in the U.S.
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richy240
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amagab wrote:
As discussed in earlier threads the manufacturers and providers work differently here in the US. It's not the stores fault that they don't have new models. To start off with, SonyEricsson waits with launching new models in the US until all bugs have been fixed and when the providers can give 100% support.
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Bullshit. I bought a T610 as a backup about 2 months ago and it still has serious Bluetooth issues in addition to other, less problematic bugs.
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amagab wrote:
Europe spent a whole lot money on their 3G network. US providers are more cautious and tries to avoid getting in deep debt before launching 3G. However, on the other hand, non-GSM providers do have 3G up and running for quite some time now.
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There are two 3G networks operational in the US, and both have been in place for about 6 months now. AT&T Wireless has a UTMS network running in 6 US markets, and Verizon Wireless has a EV-DO network in 14 markets. Neither network has been running for "quite some time".
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darrengf
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Mobile phones (Cell phones for the Americans) are used very differently in the US to the UK
I travel to the US every year (Florida) and find that its not down to the networks at all regarding mobile phones.
At present GSM is growing and is growing at a fast rate in the US. The problem is that the US have a different was of using phones to Europe and at present new features are starting to take shape. The use of PTT (Push Talk Service) (Use your phones like walkie talkies)service that they have had for years, Europe has only just started to get it
(Orange in the UK is using on certain phones)
SMS was a problem in the US as sending a text across to another network was virtualy impossible, there was no standardisation in the software that the networks used.
GSM is still patchy but vastly improved than 2 years ago and hopefully better when i go again in a few weeks from my last visit.
The US took the CDMA route, which is widely available in the US and is 100% proof network, but thats where it ends. Not many in the world took to the CDMA route and now about 85-95% of the world uses GSM.
GSM is still in its early stages in the US, but has come on in leaps and bounds. From the last figuers GSM has now started to overtake CDMA and other wireless technologies.
However convincing people that the new services and products are better than the old ones (which work fine and are not broken) is very hard.
Also the US didnt take the route like the rest of the world on the standard 900mhz and 1800mhz freq. The us are not able to use these as they are already in use by the goverment. So 1900mhz was the new freq. Then came the 850mhz Freq
At present 1900mhz freq is the most common in the us. 850mhz is again very new, however Motorola being American company has Quad band phones which enables to use any way on the GSM networks.
The european phones have taken a slighly different approach and have only investead in Tri bands handsets.
The european phone manufactures are not investing much in the US as at present as there is not much call on them. This will change with in the next year when 3G (UTMS) and more US Telcoms switch over to GSM.
One thing i do like though. When i first went to the US with my camera phone and when i was taking pictures on it. I could have sold my phone 50 times to people.
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k700nut
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I knew the usa had many people way behind with education,and dietary education,but never thought they would be technologically behind also!
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scotsboyuk
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Behind in education? What exactly do you mean?
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I suppose that the next logical question might be whethe ror not the U.S. has the capability to take the lead from Europe (ignore Japan/Korea for the moment as they are so far in advance of either Europe or America ) in terms of mobile technology? 3G would seem like a good opportunity to do so.
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eric_emeralds
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the funny thing is bush stopped the anti trust suit against MS but as far as i know bill gates isn't a bush supporter. Most of the huge business magnates in america (warren buffett, george soros) are actually john kerry supporters.
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