Esato

Forum > General discussions > Other manufacturers > Google Pixel 2 XL Announced

Author Google Pixel 2 XL Announced
hboy857
Model not set
Joined: Nov 11, 2015
Posts: 141
PM
Posted: 2017-10-07 12:46
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
Some unbelievable photos taken from pixel 2 phones. Unedited.
https://photos.google.com/sha[....]ZGdUlwQ0l6aEdFT1UwVlg2LUZESDhn

Especially impressed by the high dynamic range despite having a smaller sensor than previous one. Who needs dual camera when your phone can take Portrait photo this good.
https://photos.google.com/sha[....]ZGdUlwQ0l6aEdFT1UwVlg2LUZESDhn

Look at this night photo. Unbelievable colors and detail from such a small sensor.
https://photos.google.com/sha[....]ZGdUlwQ0l6aEdFT1UwVlg2LUZESDhn
there are plenty noise in the sky but it doesn't bother me much because of high level of details and color it captures.

BTW, That bixby button is a total abomination.
aussieland1
LG Nexus 5
Joined: Apr 11, 2013
Posts: > 500
PM
Posted: 2017-10-07 18:41
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
Great photos indeed .

Dual camera is more than portrait more though- zoom 2c is also very useful . Would lo e to see a comparison between Google portrait more and Apple /Samsung portrait mode
McKinley
K750
Joined: Feb 23, 2004
Posts: > 500
From: Sweden, USA Los Angeles CA
PM
Posted: 2017-10-07 20:04
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
Holy ****!
The photo quality is unrivalled or am I just being overly optimistic?
GH688, T28, T39 and T68
Nokia 6110, 8110, 8850, 6230, N82
Moto V525 and RAZR V3
Samsung T100, S300 and E700
T68, T610, Z600, T630, K700, S700, V800, K750, S600, M600, S500, P1i, K850, X1 X10, Vivaz
Sassho
T68 gold
Joined: Nov 03, 2007
Posts: > 500
PM
Posted: 2017-10-08 11:07
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
Mid-range quality from Pixel 2 XL by LG , maybe Pixel 2 from HTC shoot better.
Tibagy
Sony Xperia Z1
Joined: Dec 08, 2013
Posts: > 500
From: Mundu Berria
PM, WWW
Posted: 2017-10-08 18:15
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
Google Pixel 2 XL / Google Pixel 2 Photo And Video Samples - There's a Puppy And Portraits Inside

https://www.gsmarena.com/goog[....]puppy_portraits-news-27607.php

https://photos.google.com/sha[....]ZGdUlwQ0l6aEdFT1UwVlg2LUZESDhn
[ This Message was edited by: Tibagy on 2017-10-08 17:20 ]
hboy857
Model not set
Joined: Nov 11, 2015
Posts: 141
PM
Posted: 2017-10-09 03:54
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
Tibagy, double post. It's the same link I posted 2 days ago.
Sassho, I hope you are joking.
McKinley, no you are not. Photos really do look unrivaled.

I hope next year google would put a monochrome sensor with regular sensor. I would love to see even better pic in low light, with better texture preservation, even lower noise and even better dynamic range. 2x zoom, zooming capabilities in smartphone in general, is appealing to many people but not to me. I prefer overall better pic quality. Pixel 2 improves their zoom score mark than previous pixel without adding second camera ( according to dxomark ). Obviously It's still can't match the dedicated zoom hardwares like note 8, iphone 8.

https://www.technobuffalo.com[....]-new-flagship-over-the-note-8/
https://www.technobuffalo.com[....]e-pixel-2-xl-vs-galaxy-note-8/

hboy857
Model not set
Joined: Nov 11, 2015
Posts: 141
PM
Posted: 2017-10-09 04:31
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
Samsung should start worrying about Google. Samsung's biggest challenge will not come from its long term rival (apple) but from a long time friend (google). The way I see it Samsung's biggest advantage over other manufacturers is their huge lead in display tech. But that too will come to an end soon. LG's P-oled has huge potential. It's already solve the burn in problem in oled display but it has its own problems too like - it is still more power hungry than samsung's amoled. I believe in 2019 oled from LG and Samsung will match. They will both start using TADF material for their oled from the same company in 2018. I believe their difference in quality will shrink very soon.

Other factor like - RAM and Memory - Hynix and toshiba will start producing their advance manufacturing tech in 4q 2017 that will match samsung's best. Google don't have rely on samsung on these things.

Camera sensor - Sony already lead in this and It'll continue to lead for at least 5 years. Despite whatever samsung fanboys believe.

Design - With HTC's dedicated engineers working on pixel, google will be able to bring much better design with faster timeline. Rick said it in recent interview.

The most interesting part is that Google has showed us that they are willing to give pixel features that are not found in pure stock android. These features are genuinely impressive - always music recognition, turn on silent mode automatically while driving etc.

Future is really bright for Pixel team. Reviewers seem really enthusiastic about pixel hardware and i'm sure they (most of them) will rated it higher than note 8. Google seems to be playing a longer game here -
They are willing to spend millions of dollars in advertising. Google has deep pocket to spend on ads for years without any major consequences. They have to money to open physical store in different parts of the states.

If google can become a major player in USA and Canada it'll put huge pressure on samsung. Huawei and oppo are taking over europe. Xiaomi is taking over india. Samsung will face stuff competition - google will attack it from above and chinese player will attack it from below.

Of course, it'll not happen overnight. In the meantime google will tighten their gripe on supply chain to ensure their phone will have enough parts to make enough phones.
My bet is on 2019 pixel ( Pixel 4 ). I must say- It will be interesting to see how pixel's hardware change the landscape of the android world.
[ This Message was edited by: hboy857 on 2017-10-09 03:34 ]
aussieland1
LG Nexus 5
Joined: Apr 11, 2013
Posts: > 500
PM
Posted: 2017-10-09 06:52
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
I would love nothing more than for Google to a make a viable.competitor for Galaxy flagship. First thing they will need to though is make sure the supply constraint is dealt with. First generation of pixel XL was notoriously not easy to find for a good couple of months (until May June 2017). Unless this is solved I don't think Samsung has anything to worry about
Tsepz_GP
Apple iPhone 6 Plus
Joined: Dec 27, 2006
Posts: > 500
From: Johannesburg, South Africa
PM
Posted: 2017-10-10 09:38
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post

On 2017-10-09 04:31:09, hboy857 wrote:
Samsung should start worrying about Google. Samsung's biggest challenge will not come from its long term rival (apple) but from a long time friend (google). The way I see it Samsung's biggest advantage over other manufacturers is their huge lead in display tech. But that too will come to an end soon. LG's P-oled has huge potential. It's already solve the burn in problem in oled display but it has its own problems too like - it is still more power hungry than samsung's amoled. I believe in 2019 oled from LG and Samsung will match. They will both start using TADF material for their oled from the same company in 2018. I believe their difference in quality will shrink very soon.

Other factor like - RAM and Memory - Hynix and toshiba will start producing their advance manufacturing tech in 4q 2017 that will match samsung's best. Google don't have rely on samsung on these things.

Camera sensor - Sony already lead in this and It'll continue to lead for at least 5 years. Despite whatever samsung fanboys believe.

Design - With HTC's dedicated engineers working on pixel, google will be able to bring much better design with faster timeline. Rick said it in recent interview.

The most interesting part is that Google has showed us that they are willing to give pixel features that are not found in pure stock android. These features are genuinely impressive - always music recognition, turn on silent mode automatically while driving etc.

Future is really bright for Pixel team. Reviewers seem really enthusiastic about pixel hardware and i'm sure they (most of them) will rated it higher than note 8. Google seems to be playing a longer game here -
They are willing to spend millions of dollars in advertising. Google has deep pocket to spend on ads for years without any major consequences. They have to money to open physical store in different parts of the states.

If google can become a major player in USA and Canada it'll put huge pressure on samsung. Huawei and oppo are taking over europe. Xiaomi is taking over india. Samsung will face stuff competition - google will attack it from above and chinese player will attack it from below.

Of course, it'll not happen overnight. In the meantime google will tighten their gripe on supply chain to ensure their phone will have enough parts to make enough phones.
My bet is on 2019 pixel ( Pixel 4 ). I must say- It will be interesting to see how pixel's hardware change the landscape of the android world.
[ This Message was edited by: hboy857 on 2017-10-09 03:34 ]



You say all this, but do you have backup of the scale these guys will produce?

Remember, one of Samsung's key strengths is that they can build these things (Display, Memory etc...) quickly and in large numbers. The very reason Apple and others go to Samsung is that Samsung is unrivalled in their capacity to build all these things quickly.

Even with the Google Pixel, do Google have Distribution contracts that can match Samsung? Samsung can launch and do launch their devices at 1 time globally, I'm taking availability in EMEA, APAC and NAM regions within a week. I have yet to see even Apple match that, let alone Google. The only company that could match that was Nokia in their heydays.

We can go on claiming that Samsung are in deep trouble, but are we going to ignore the fact that they still take the 2nd largest chunk of cash in mobile and they to have deep pockets, in fact their pockets are so deep they made more profit last quarter than some large Silicone Valley companies like Google and Facebook combined:
https://www.sammobile.com/201[....]ble-tech-company-last-quarter/

I just don't see any of what you said happening. Google seem content with their limited distribution of the Pixels and most of the other OEMs don't have as thoroughly consistent model ranges across the globe as Samsung.

With Apple investing billions already into Samsung for greater production for iPhone X, Samsung is going to be very difficult to beat in the next couple years in terms of production capacity, give this a read, Samsung will also be making big profit from the iPhone X:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/[....]an-the-galaxy-s8/#4de26b3352c2

It's nice to sit and claim all this doom and gloom for Samsung, but the numbers speak against Samsung's Android competition dramatically.

Most Android manufacturers are already struggling to even make profit on their entire model line, yet Samsung will make an estimated $10billion from the S8 & $14billion from the iPhone X, on top of the huge investment Apple made into them, Samsung are also currently building a huge factory to help ramp up production even further.

I don't like to get into arguments like this, but let's just be real here mate.

EDIT:
Almost forgot this:
http://fortune.com/2017/07/07/samsung-galaxy-8-apple-iphone-8/

Samsung came from the largest mobile phone debacle to being the most profitable tech company in the Q.

This is not going to be a walk in the park for its competitors.

Forget marketing a product as Samsung can do that to with little consequences, let's just talk R&D, which is an area Samsung spend a ton on, this is what helped them pretty much own most industries they are in.

There's this to:
Samsung topples Intel as world’s largest chipmaker
https://www.engadget.com/2017[....]-as-world-s-largest-chipmaker/

2019 is too close to predict for, Samsung themselves are forever expanding their business, so while Google negotiate more contracts in more countries for Pixel, Samsung shall also be solidifying their dominance and tightening up their already existing agreements in every inch of the world that they exist, the Google don't.

The USA and Canada market are saturated, notuch growth to be had for smartphones there, the markets like India, and Samsung is well aware and will be pouring tons into it




No Threat to Samsung, So Far
While conceding that Samsung’s shares have been fluctuating, CMR’s Kawoosa doesn’t see a distinct threat to the South Korean major. “We don’t see a face-off between Samsung and Chinese brands any time soon,” he says, adding that even if it happens, Samsung is diligent enough to decide its own course. The two strengths, says Kawoosa, that will help Samsung are its sheer size and technology intellect. Further, Samsung is important in several segments through the value chain, such as memory and processors, he adds.
Warsi too doesn’t see any threat to Samsung’s dominant position. Sipping on masala tea and looking out the window at the concrete jungle of Gurgaon, he offers pearls of wisdom. “Any brand that stays connected to the consumer will stay connected to the market,” he says, adding that there are no shortcuts and there is no rocket science behind cracking the Indian market. Credibility and an understanding of Indian conditions over the past two decades have been pillars of its success, reckons Warsi. While other brands were planning to hop on to the Make in India bandwagon, Samsung upped the ante by focusing on another aspect which might have been missed by others: Make for India.
A Make for India task force, comprising employees from Samsung’s R&D, innovation, products and marketing divisions, was set up to understand the needs of the Indian consumer. Subsequently, the team drew up a list of India-specific features that resulted in the launch of the Galaxy J series.

http://m.economictimes.com/te[....]-oppo/articleshow/58437793.cms

Some very good reads.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2017-10-10 09:32 ]
Phone: iPhone 15 Pro Max Black Ti 512GB
Tablet: iPad Pro 11” 2020 Space Gray 256GB
Watch: Series 3 Nike Edition Space Gray
Droid: Huawei Mate 40 Pro 256GB
hboy857
Model not set
Joined: Nov 11, 2015
Posts: 141
PM
Posted: 2017-10-10 11:26
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
^
Sorry dude, I'm not going to read your essay. You have wasted your time writing this. Since you have no interest other than Samsung phones as you said in note 8, I see no point reading your comment anymore and will never read any comment from you. It'll be waste of my time. Peace.
[ This Message was edited by: hboy857 on 2017-10-10 10:27 ]
Tsepz_GP
Apple iPhone 6 Plus
Joined: Dec 27, 2006
Posts: > 500
From: Johannesburg, South Africa
PM
Posted: 2017-10-10 12:26
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post

On 2017-10-10 11:26:47, hboy857 wrote:
^
Sorry dude, I'm not going to read your essay. You have wasted your time writing this. Since you have no interest other than Samsung phones as you said in note 8, I see no point reading your comment anymore and will never read any comment from you. It'll be waste of my time. Peace.
[ This Message was edited by: hboy857 on 2017-10-10 10:27 ]



Totally understand mate, facts with cold hard evidence backed with numbers are hard to argue.

Next time rather just state at the end that you aren't prepared.
Phone: iPhone 15 Pro Max Black Ti 512GB
Tablet: iPad Pro 11” 2020 Space Gray 256GB
Watch: Series 3 Nike Edition Space Gray
Droid: Huawei Mate 40 Pro 256GB
aussieland1
LG Nexus 5
Joined: Apr 11, 2013
Posts: > 500
PM
Posted: 2017-10-10 21:51
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
To be fair tsepz your facts are only about how good Samsung is doing at the moment which no one is disputing. Hboy857 is predicting that Google will take some of that glory in the future. it is hard to say either way, imo Google will have to be aggressive to conquer mobile world and if it so won't that upset the android partners? last year showed that Google is happy to not disrupt things too much (by making Pixel unavailable for months and months).

Me personally I love pure android and so would love Google Pixel to flourish but I don't think Pixel xl 2 will be a best seller. If anything isn't Android market touted to be a market for cheap phones and Pixel xl 2 is now the most expensive android phones as expensive as an iPhone. The challenge for Google will be to convince people to spend that much on a phone
Tsepz_GP
Apple iPhone 6 Plus
Joined: Dec 27, 2006
Posts: > 500
From: Johannesburg, South Africa
PM
Posted: 2017-10-10 22:11
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post

On 2017-10-10 21:51:45, aussieland1 wrote:
To be fair tsepz your facts are only about how good Samsung is doing at the moment which no one is disputing. Hboy857 is predicting that Google will take some of that glory in the future. it is hard to say either way, imo Google will have to be aggressive to conquer mobile world and if it so won't that upset the android partners? last year showed that Google is happy to not disrupt things too much (by making Pixel unavailable for months and months).

Me personally I love pure android and so would love Google Pixel to flourish but I don't think Pixel xl 2 will be a best seller. If anything isn't Android market touted to be a market for cheap phones and Pixel xl 2 is now the most expensive android phones as expensive as an iPhone. The challenge for Google will be to convince people to spend that much on a phone


Google aren't really about the hardware game, bulk of the profits are made through people like me who run Digital Ad Campaigns on Google's AdWords and DoubleClick and convince clients to spend more on advertising on Google platforms. In this Google and Samsung comparison one pays my bills (Google), the other creates them (Samsung)

I completely agree, I don't think Google are out to ruin their partnership with OHA, in fact Google do a similar thing in Advertising, they run their own campaigns with their own clients, but you don't see them going out to poach WPP, or Publicis or Dentsu Aegis network clients,do you? They know how far they can take it.

When Google want to get out there and dominate they have a partner in South Korea, Samsung, who they will call upon to build them a product to be sold in every market, but hardware is simply not Google's game, and that's why they like latching on to companies like HTC and Huawei to build their devices and give an enthusiast device that sells in low numbers, they even joked about this in their keynote.

Phone: iPhone 15 Pro Max Black Ti 512GB
Tablet: iPad Pro 11” 2020 Space Gray 256GB
Watch: Series 3 Nike Edition Space Gray
Droid: Huawei Mate 40 Pro 256GB
aussieland1
LG Nexus 5
Joined: Apr 11, 2013
Posts: > 500
PM
Posted: 2017-10-10 22:24
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
Exactly I think Google is making money from services so they need people to keep buying android phones regardless of the manufacturer.

But even if Google is aiming for high end market only at the current prices asked for Pixel 2ND generation they will need a big effort to convince people to buy them. Here is in UK not many people know of Google phones (I see very few with the first generation of Pixel). Maybe in US they can become more popular because they are an American company but they will need to differentiate from Samsung and LG more imo, (they use the same ecosystem so they will need to give people a reason to buy them over other android manufacturer)
[ This Message was edited by: aussieland1 on 2017-10-10 21:24 ]
>500
Vivaz Black
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: > 500
PM
Posted: 2017-10-11 08:13
Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post
Handled both of the new devices today* XL2 is the nicer of the 2 design wise, both are comfortable in hand, despite XL2 being a little wider than Note 8, for example. Colours on the screens of both devices looked..... 'odd'. Also camera exhibiting some odd tint when compared to my Note 8.

*note, these were pre-production units.
[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2017-10-11 07:16 ]
Access the forum with a mobile phone via esato.mobi