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Nokia 808 PureView Thread And Discussion |
cu015170
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got myself an iphone 5 ..
The 808 destroys it in low light. Not to mention.. the thing won't focus in the dark.. it doesn't have a focus light.
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]ureview/201209290450jWr6Yx.jpg
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]phone_5/201209290450xS7OGD.jpg | |
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Guarulhos
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Great Comparative Cu015170... Congratulations !!!
Concerning The Images, No Surprise By Victory Indisputable Of 808 PUREVIEW PRO !
Because He Tells With a Better Optical Assembly (Carl Zeiss Vario Tessar Vs Largan Precision), More And Better Image Sensor (Toshiba Vs Sony) And Better Post Processing (PureView Pro Imaging Technology) !!!
P.S: Independent Of Dispute Be Against IPhone 5, IPhone 4S, Galaxy SIII, Galaxy SII, Galaxy Note, Sony Xperia S Or Sony Xperia T... 808 PUREVIEW PRO Always Will Better independent Of Scene Or Of Luminosity In Question !!! |
admad
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This comparison is cheated... Nokia 808 PureView is on tripod, ISO 800 and exposure time 0,5s. iPhone 4S might be on tripod too, but it doesn't matter since exposure time is 0,067s. and ISO 2500. To get a fair results, set both phones to ISO 800. |
Guarulhos
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Admad...
Cue Of Be Ass !
Before Of Write Shit And Accuse The Others, Go Research And Study Technology ! 
The Apple IPhone 5 Can Not Any Adjustment Regarding Exposure Time, Exposure Comp And Sensibility Iso !
Everything In APPLE IPHONE 5 IS AUTOMATIC !!!
P.S (1): Therefore Do Not Criticize Something You Not Has Money And Capacity For Do Better !
P.S (2): Again... Congratulations Cu015170... Great Comparative !!! 
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admad
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Well I just guessed that by now Apple has "invented" setting for camera app. Seems like I was wrong, but it doesn't matter, since there's no point comparing compact cameraphone like 808 to iPhone 5 in which You can't even set ISO settings. Comparing photos that have different exposure time is kind of pointless.
P.S I have a group of professionals that are trying to figure out what did You just wrote.
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cu015170
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there were both on a tripod .. you can't really cheat with the iphone, it does what it does, and that is all. Even if you could set the ISO speed lower, it will be a mess.. you really can't expect more from 1.4 micron pixels.
Here are two images from a little earlier, this time both phones in auto mode:
If you think I am "cheating" go test them yourself 
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2012-09-29 18:52 ] |
admad
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@cu015170 I meant cheated as not fair  Now these new samples are much more fair as both are ISO 800. 808 really is a very capable shooter, I wonder how other Android phones and Lumia 920 would fare against it in thoose light conditions. |
Guarulhos
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Changed - If The Angle Of Image Capture And The Luminosity, However The Result Is The Same, In Other Words, Victory Of 808 PUREVIEW PRO !!!  |
cu015170
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I understand.. but, I can't change anything on the iPhone.. so its as fair as it can be, if it offered manual settings, I would do the same on both, but because it doesn't offer it, it doesn't mean you can't use it on the 808 I guess the same goes for their data connection, the other way around, what.. should i turn of LTE to be fair to the 808 ? Hell no the 808 gets smoked!
I didn't even look at the iso, the fact that they are both @ 800 is pure luck, since they were both set on auto. But this is interesting, because I also set the 808 to 800 when it got darker, and it did ok, but the iphone freaked out and went all the way up to 2000+ ...
On 2012-09-29 21:07:24, admad wrote:
wonder how other Android phones and Lumia 920 would fare against it in thoose light conditions.
same crap.. look at the lumia 920 results here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/nokia_lumia_920/
like I've said before, what nokia did with the 808 is a significant achievement in imaging and photography, you are not supposed to be getting that kind of quality, out of 1.4 micron pixels.. it plays outside the "rules". Its just that most people haven't really realized how important the 808 is, from that perspective.
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false_morel
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On 2012-09-29 21:44:39, cu015170 wrote:
same crap.. look at the lumia 920 results here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/nokia_lumia_920/
like I've said before, what nokia did with the 808 is a significant achievement in imaging and photography, you are not supposed to be getting that kind of quality, out of 1.4 micron pixels.. it plays outside the "rules". Its just that most people haven't really realized how important the 808 is, from that perspective.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2012-09-29 20:50 ]
What Nokia did with the 808 is definitely a huge milestone in the compact camera world, and still there are many who didn't realise what the 808 is truly capable of!!
However, comparing it to the 920 in low, I'd still go with the 920. For the simple fact that oversampling can't beat longer exposure speeds!
Soon we'll have the 920 to test to know for sure.. But on paper and from the samples and the comparions made so far, 920 has the upper hand in low light scenarios..
The samples you quoted above were about extremely dim scapes!! Nowhere close the photo you shot above.. |
badassmam
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Comparing the Pureview to iPhone 5 is unfair because its so much better than anything else. Its better to compare a Lumia to iPhone and co. and even then the Nokia is probably the best. Lets face it, the Pureview will spank anything out there. |
cu015170
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On 2012-09-29 23:16:27, false_morel wrote:
The samples you quoted above were about extremely dim scapes!! Nowhere close the photo you shot above..
true, and they were probably hand held.. so, we will have to wait and see. I know that holding the shutter open for longer would let more light in, but what do you do with all the noise that comes with it, and also any moving objects ? Even a boat on a dock would be moving from the water beneath it, so that would effect the sharpness of the image..
Don't forget that the 920 still shoots at 1.4 micron pixels, and no matter what they do on the software side, there is not much they can do to get rid of the noise without messing up all the detail.. the current BSI technology doesn't really compensate for all that.
And I know that you tested live, so I will take your word on it for now
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false_morel
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On 2012-09-30 00:18:03, cu015170 wrote:
true, and they were probably hand held.. so, we will have to wait and see.
Yes exactly.. This is the key point of the 920.. This is the phone's biggest trick! Just point and shoot at 1 second!
And a quick question here, how slow could the 808 get hand held?!
I know that holding the shutter open for longer would let more light in, but what do you do with all the noise that comes with it,
This is not a problem.. Usually with longer shutter speeds, noise comes out due to the sensor heating up..
But at 1 second this is a no issue.. Usually this starts to get out of control beyond the 1 to 2 seconds mark..
And usually this noise is different to high ISO noise.. And is hence dealth with differently..
Also, in such scenarios to achieve best result, one has to go with the best balance of SS and ISO. Neither go for too long SSs nor too high ISOs.. If possible of course.. But as a rule of thumb, up till 1 second exposure is always preferred over boosting up the ISO..
and also any moving objects ? Even a boat on a dock would be moving from the water beneath it, so that would effect the sharpness of the image..
This is of course the 920's weakness.. When I asked the Nokia rep about the flash, he told me that with the 920 one needs no flash.. Well not exactly true!
For night portraits and scapes this applies.. But for photos where the subject is moving, one needs to freeze the action with a flash! Kids at home, pets, at a party, etc..
As to a boat moving at a dock, well this is beyond a smartphone's capability imo! The only solution in such situation is to boost the ISO. As neither flash nor SS would do it.
The 808 would then make better results than the 920, but both useless imo!
And I know that you tested live, so I will take your word on it for now
Thanks. I was really impressed by the 920!
And am not impressed with Joire's samples she took at Tampere, Finland!
Those were really extreme situations when one either needs much longer shutter speeds using a high-end DSLR, or boost the ISO pretty high.. The 920 is meant to be used at night, but also with some lights available and not completely dim! Like those photos shot in the park Nokia showed..
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cu015170
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Thanks for explaining the noise/exposure deal.. i didn't know that around the 1 second mark things can be done differently.
The 808 can go up to 2.6 secs I think .. you have set the iso to 50 and switch on the mechanical ND filter on.
Here is round 2, this time I tested the N8 for a better reference point for the Iphone 5.
Full auto on all 3. Note the file sizes.. clear indication at what pureview does. Before anyone says anything about the resolution, yes, the 808 shoots in 5Mpix @ 85% jpeg compression in auto mode. The N8 is with a custom rom, so it shoots at 95% jpeg compression, and the iphone 5 also shoots in 95% jpeg compression, and 8Mpix
N8
iPhone 5
808
getting darker
N8 (night mode)
iPhone 5 .. auto, there is no other way
808 (8Mpix manual, pureview, 800 iso, 95% jpeg)
even darker..
N8 (night mode)
iphone 5
808 (8Mpix pureview @ 800 iso, 95% jpeg)
808 (5Mpix pureview @ 800 iso, 95% jpeg)
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false_morel
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On 2012-09-30 04:59:50, cu015170 wrote:
The 808 can go up to 2.6 secs I think .. you have set the iso to 50 and switch on the mechanical ND filter on.
This is impressive. Will have to try that. As far as I remember from playing with the phone, there is an option for this. Like a switch in the custom mode. Right? One just set it on it goes automatically to ISO 50, long SS, and ND filter..
Or are there more tweaking possibilites?
But I meant hand held. How slow usually it goes? The N8 used to go as far as 1/5s in nightmode.. Although one needs steady hands for this.. But usually it went to 1/8s when needed most of the times.
Is it the same with the 808?
Here is round 2, this time I tested the N8 for a better reference point for the Iphone 5.
The purple cast from the N8 is disturbing! It used to come out with such funny white balances with me as well. Usually in tricky light situations but not all the time..
Could you share the settings each phone went with for each of these three scenarios? | |
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