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Elm Or W995 ? |
fluke9
Joined: Oct 31, 2006
Posts: 461
From: Sarf Lundun UK
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On 2010-08-18 16:22:44, mriley wrote:
@fluke
The C903 is just a C902 in a plastic housing, same camera and mostly the same features 
Now that is interesting 
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TCR18H
Joined: Nov 25, 2006
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I don't envy the decision you'v got. The crazy thing is the manufacturers keep cramming more megapixels into these camera phones and on such a small sensor the quality will degrade as digital noise starts to increase. It's just a sales gimmick but it's worked on point and shoot cameras so it'll continue on phones. I'd say 5 megapixels is the sensible limit. The lens will always limit picture quality.
Good luck with what you choose in the end. |
Bonovox
Joined: Apr 13, 2008
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C903 camera is same as c902 get the Elm it has the best one
Phone?? What phone?? |
Luhccas-U1a
Joined: Mar 24, 2008
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On 2010-08-18 13:29:42, plankgatan wrote:
about cam quality...........i just looked at Lefthorse w995 pictures............what can i say...WOW 
i think w995 camera is very similar to c905. (same great colour rendition, etc) if i guess, the only difference between c905 and w995 (camera) is the Cybershot branding.
for me this kind of quality is way more appealing then ex, some Nokia oversatured yellowish...over & out.
Nah  !You're losing the point!
Can't you see the purple where should be black?
Man... C905 is way better than W995,you can't compare just because some pictures from a talented person...
Just in a 1/50 of pictures W995 gets the similar quality of C905.
Wich one do you think people will choose?
Admit,Elm have a better camera in all aspects.
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mriley
Joined: Oct 03, 2009
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From: UK
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@Luhccas
Plank admit he is wrong? You must be crazy 
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NoroBiik
Joined: Dec 30, 2008
Posts: 277
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On 2010-08-18 19:28:02, TCR18H wrote:
I don't envy the decision you'v got. The crazy thing is the manufacturers keep cramming more megapixels into these camera phones and on such a small sensor the quality will degrade as digital noise starts to increase. It's just a sales gimmick but it's worked on point and shoot cameras so it'll continue on phones. I'd say 5 megapixels is the sensible limit. The lens will always limit picture quality.
Good luck with what you choose in the end.
Agree 5 megapix is my standard W995 shot setting , 8 megapix doesn't really bring that much to the table. |
NoroBiik
Joined: Dec 30, 2008
Posts: 277
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As promised, Elm vs W995 shots. First a night shot of a plant using Flash & AF light. All other settings Auto, +0.0. You can see the big difference between the LED flash of the Elm & W995 :
Elm plant shot - night
W995 plant shot - night
Next a mixed light shot, bright flourescent & darkness. Flash on, all other settings Auto, +0.0. I actually tried taking this same shot with no flash - the Elm almost didn't make it, taking 5-7 seconds to focus. The w995 took about 2-2.5 seconds.
Elm mixed light shot
W995 mixed light
Bookshelf night shot with poor flourescent lighting, flash on. Note the yellow tint in the W995 shot which often occurs with flourescent. (you can compensate using the Flourescent light shot setting but I decided to keep it Auto). Elm colors are truer & sharper (which is generally the case)
Elm book shelf shot
W995 book shelf shot
Building shot at lunchtime, all settings auto (no flash of course) +0.0. Note here that the W995 sky is brighter. I'm more convinced that the W995 takes in more light than the Elm.
Elm building shot
W995 building shot
Lunch shot Indoors with incandescent lighting mixed with cloudy light from the outside. All auto, no flash, +0.0
Elm lunch shot
W995 lunch shot
Street scene movies in next post
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NoroBiik
Joined: Dec 30, 2008
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Movies taken at lunchtime , W995 & Elm were side by side taking a movie shot of the same street scene. Elm wins this hands down, no contest.
Elm street movie
W995 steet movie |
plankgatan
Joined: May 20, 2007
Posts: > 500
From: Sweden fur alle
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 well, this shows how little some people(no names) understand cameras.....
ELM have bigger issues to adjust the whitebalance and EV..............this is just stupid to read.......w995 looks better with flash, outdoor, indoor well everything.
ELM.....way to dark.
w995
ELM.....is this a joke ????
W995
ELM............HORRIBLE COLOURS, JUST HORRIBLE
W995.......TEN TIMES BETTER COLOURS, (like ive been saying all time)
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TTT
Joined: Feb 23, 2010
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From: Sweden
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Most of those problems can be fixed with EV.
And Plank, the colours doesn't matter a shit as long as you can't have a proper sharp image.
I taking pictures |
fluke9
Joined: Oct 31, 2006
Posts: 461
From: Sarf Lundun UK
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@NoroBiik.
Thank you very much for taking the time to do this, but the results push me towards the W995 to be honest.
The dictionary on the book shelf is closer to the real colour in the W995 shots.
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anouk82
Joined: Apr 13, 2009
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From: Athens,Greece
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fluke get w995,i dont care.But when you realy see the photos it takes dont come back here crawling...I respect Plank for his opinion about c902,but this time he's crossed the line!
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NoroBiik
Joined: Dec 30, 2008
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On 2010-08-19 13:03:27, fluke9 wrote:
@NoroBiik.
Thank you very much for taking the time to do this, but the results push me towards the W995 to be honest.
The dictionary on the book shelf is closer to the real colour in the W995 shots.
The Elm really does much better in good to excellent light, as TTT mentioned EV adjustment can fix shots like the building one. The flash in the Elm/Hazel is really poor, this is one of the places where SE decided to shave costs to get the price down. And there is something not quite right in the way in the way the Elm gathers ambient light in low to poor light conditions.
Given good to excellent lighting there is no way the W995 can beat the Elm (unless you use a modded driver maybe, don't know I can't seem to install Brazzuka's W995 cam mod). If you browse the Elm snapshot thread, you"ll note that the great majority of these were taken in good lighting.
Just give yourself more time to weigh the pros & cons - I"ll take another series of comparative shots, this time with good light and with optimum settings, to balance things out. You should know exactly what you"ll gain (or miss) whichever choice you take.
[ This Message was edited by: NoroBiik on 2010-08-19 12:23 ] |
TTT
Joined: Feb 23, 2010
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From: Sweden
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On 2010-08-18 13:29:42, plankgatan wrote:
i think w995 camera is very similar to c905. (same great colour rendition, etc) if i guess, the only difference between c905 and w995 (camera) is the Cybershot branding.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2010-08-18 12:47 ]
Quote from GsmArena's review of W995.
So what's up with the picture quality? Unlike the 8 megapixel Cyber-shot C905 - whose photos astonished us - the W995 suffers a similar problem to all other Walkman phones: the pictures are noisy and oversharpened, and the lively colors and contrast are gone. Another old friend makes an appearance here too - the purple fringing on the edge of buildings. Even the picture detail is less than on the C905.
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plankgatan
Joined: May 20, 2007
Posts: > 500
From: Sweden fur alle
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pretty tired to hear all this talk about how much better ELM camera is.....apparently it isnt, (we have now some real proof ^^  )
so where are we standing in the w995 vs ELM debate ???
High features
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Music player/features + headphones quality............w995
sound..................................................................w995
screen.................................................................w995
build quality/design..............................................w995
camera...............................................................w995
price...................................................................ELM
w995=5
ELM=1
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Posted: 2010-08-18 18:16
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