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Jkovacz
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On 2009-11-04 14:19:20, Raiderski wrote:
There’s something wrong in your point!
nothing is wrong  it's my private opinion, it doesn't mean that I have to be a suicide bomber in front of Baxter HQ in the name of people used by large corporations. every country have departments responsible for prosecuting this type of accidents, let them carry out their duties. it's not my job
This time Baxter has tested the vaccine on homeless polish people, if next time they experiment on fully healthy people like you? Without your consent obviously.
as I wrote earlier it's not my job to prevent such situations. I can take care of myself as I can, however I pay taxes and requires from my country and government to protect me against "big, fat and dirty hands". can I fully trust my government? no, I guess, but lack of trust cannot be fully and obsessive
sooner or later I will die no matter of what
And considering you say:
important are things which are happening right now
add these two sentences and you have one: life is too short to worry about things which are in science-fiction stage 
Chentrails that you can see in Poland what do they mean for you?
nothing, plane trails and nothing else
Remember that they are happening RIGHT NOW…yesterday…tomorrow….
every day I have to eat chemicals in food and drinks, every day I have to wear clothes with chemicals, every day I have to inhale chemicals. it's hard to accept this facts but it's nothing else as the cost of living in the civilized and industrialised society. whole society won't change itself because some people are feeling discomfort
That is THE most depressingly defeatist expression of a sadly widespread attitude I have read in a while!
I'm sorry, but what are your thoughts regarding German Jews who even after years in concentration camps during WW II were still writing in their letters and diaries that, ' surely, it was all just a mix-up. A mistake'... that they were innocent and good Germans, and that the government would soon correct their error! (I am NOT making this up! A lot of KZ-prisoner thought like that! Even when the government had MOST obviously turned aGAINST THEM, THEY WERE STILL DELUDING THEMSELVES INTO HOPE that the very people who harmed them would come to their salvation)
This is referred to as Stockholm Syndrome... only it's not a small kidnaping gang and their prey, it's the 'silent' masses, who cling to the pre-school illusions of 'good, caring daddy... good, caring government'!
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Jkovacz
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@Perfect
worth adding that both the US National Institute of Health and the CDC are part of the US Military!
A lot of people are not aware of that! Thus, the enormous and grotesque staff fluctuation from 'healthcare' to bioweapons-design and back (see Roberto Gallo's career Before he became the phony saviour of the AIDS charity industry, he designed bioweapons) |
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Jkovacz
did you just wrote that I'm a person with stockholm syndrome which loves my government?  I think you missed something important in my statements
so, you're this person which believes that your government want to kill you? interesting...
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On 2009-11-14 19:31:28, Raiderski wrote:
Jkovacz
did you just wrote that I'm a person with stockholm syndrome which loves my government? I think you missed something important in my statements
so, you're this person which believes that your government want to kill you? interesting...
I believe - and history proves me right - it is foolish and potentially suicidal to presume one's government will over stay nice and friendly!
e.g. Italian government: proven to have colluded with CIA in the infamous Operation Gladio; bombing Bologna trainstation, killing dozens of innocent, decent voters! That is called a 'false flag operation' where someone commits a crime to blame someon else, to then sway 'public' opinion!
Milder examples: the majority of Brits were against Iraq war. In the 70s and 80s the vast majority of Germans were against nuclear power plants. Ignored by their governments. The majority of people all over the world are against gmo...ignored by politicians in the pockets of the corporations'...
When Hitler came to power people had NOT voted for genocide and world war!
Or see the US Patriot Act: prepared years before 9/11, it sold out the Americans' civil rights.
To say: whatever, I'm paying taxes, let the right people take of sh*t....well, I find that very foolish.
I admit I don't know enough about you to judge you personally. So consider my statements a 'generalisation'!
and YES: given the 'right' motivation, my government and or your government or someone else's government will kill us both and shrug it off like a flysh*t! They will take your kids to go and murder other kids in so called wars - i.e. Business competition! And if you protest they will arrest you!
And back to the topic: if you do some more research you'll find the official patents for the Chemtrail (BIG difference to contrails) planes! The government supports chemtrails! It is not protecting affected citizens. It is protecting the interests of the folks who do the spraying! |
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Jkovacz, I know what you are talking about. True facts.
National Institute of Health and the CDC? Simply criminals.
Someone don’t worry, don’t want to “lost” own tranquillity. Or they've got nothing to lose.
It’s a choice 
But it’s only a matter of time for them to believe in it. You know...
The Pandemic Virus is Not Only Lab-created
...it is PATENTED!
On Sunday, August 30, 2009, I certify that I, Dr. True Ott, received the following letter.
Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
1600 Clifton Road, N.E., Mailstop E-05
Atlanta, GA 30333
404-639-8836
Considering the potential risk of the A/H1N1/09 virus, I found the following study strangely coincidental. On June 17, 1996, the U.S. Air Force released Air Force 2025 "a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future." In the unclassified study, the College of Aerospace Doctrine, Research and Education at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama posed several "fictional representations of future situations or scenarios" likely to arise. In Chapter 5, page 55, the authors present a time line figure representing "plausible history". In 2009, according to the report, influenza will kill 30 million people.
The study also suggests that no one determined if the virus was a natural mutation or bioengineered.
Sincerely,
This "study" is absolutely shocking to me in a number of ways. It clearly shows that the U.S. Air Force, as well as the Pentagon itself, has utilized a very powerful computer technology known as "Artificial Intelligence" (A.I.) to create a model for a "future world". By utilizing A.I. "drivers" - SIX VIRTUAL REALITES complete with PLAUSIBLE HISTORIES were created. From these SIX virtual reality "cyber-worlds" - the elite "power-brokers" could then formulate the Utopian IDEALS they envision for their myopic view of the "WORLD ORDER" in 2025. The computer would then give the world's elite detailed instructions or "marching orders" as to how the "drivers" (i.e. current events) would have to be manipulated for this END to be accomplished. In other words, their vision of their desired END RESULT would forge their current MEANS - or global actions, month-to-month, and day-to-day. Under this A.I. computer model, NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN BY CHANCE - only by means of a pre-determined, prescribed design.
I submit this global social architecture is the ultimate antithesis of Human Freedom and Potential, for it seeks to strip the rights of free agency and spontaneity from human society as a whole; replacing it instead with a series of cold, hard, mechanical ultimatums that must inevitably end in abject human slavery. Under such a heartless machine "program", humans can easily be "sacrificed" by planned wars and pandemics - for to the "computer" - human beings are ultimately just NUMBERS to be crunched in the DRIVERS. It takes away the "course of human events" (the basis of America's Declaration of Independence, and ultimately the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights) and replaces it with the "course of computer-driven events." In the process, FAITH, PRAYER, and the REALITY OF GOD is completely taken out of the equation. Science and MAN-BASED technology seeking to usurp God and His plan.
Morally, ethically, emotionally, spiritually and in every other possible way, this activity is reprehensible and totally unconscionable to a FREE HUMAN BEING! Little wonder the "master computer" located at Ft. Meade is literally called, the BEAST!
THE LINKS TO PROMIS SOFTWARE AND INSLAW
In 1991, Washington D.C.-based investigative journalist Danny Casolaro was murdered. Casolaro was investigating the story of "pirated" super-computer software utilizing A.I., first created by Inslaw Corp. According to the account of one "Carol Marshal" in her book, "THE LAST CIRCLE" - Casolaro was set to publish the entire sordid account in 1991 when he was murdered. Casolaro was also linked with the murder of Vince Foster, who likewise knew the complete story. As THE LAST CIRCLE documents, this "software" could also be used to CREATE AND CONTROL THE RELEASE of advanced BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS worldwide.
By cross-referencing the information in The Last Circle, we find that a company called Advanced Systems Design (ASD) received a version of this PROMIS software. ASD, in 1988, then formed yet another software company and named it Verity Inc. The website FUNDING UNIVERSE, writes: "With the advent of Operation Desert Shield in 1990, Verity was awarded a large percentage of a United States Air Force contract, valued at $40 million, to build a real-time automated system that scanned and routed messages to the right intelligence personnel. Growth continued at a steady clip, and by November 1991 Verity's employee base reached the 100 mark. Around this time, the company's client base included Borland International Inc., Motorola Inc., the U.S. Department of Defense, and the White House.
If the information provided by Marshal is correct, then principals behind Verity Inc. are the ones responsible for providing the Artificial Intelligence software to the DoD, and ultimately to Ft. Detrick's weapons labs in 1991. This software would then allow the Air Force to produce in 1996 the study of the "world in 2025" which in turns contains a "plausible history" of a seminal, world-altering event --- A WORLD-WIDE INFLUENZA PANDEMIC OCCURRING IN 2009. Of course, as I have shown in a prior writing, this A.I. mainframe (aka ORACLE 8i) would also be the primary tool used in reverse engineering the killer virus responsible for the 1918 Pandemic that likewise altered the course of human events.
THE SMOKING GUN
Keep in mind that the events outlined here occurred during the administration of George H.W. Bush - 1988-1992. "Poppy" Bush, along with the family of his V.P. Dan Quayle is heavily invested in "Big Pharma" concern Eli Lilly Inc. and American Home Products (AHP). AHP brought the world the deadly weight loss drug called Phen-fen which utilized phenylbarbitrol (aka speed) derived primarily from opium poppies grown in Afghanistan. As the reader may, or may not remember, Phen-fen weight loss drugs had a very common and very serious side effect - it caused permanent heart valve damage in an alarmingly high percentage of its victims.
According to a FDA website: "The phen fen side effects first surfaced back in August of 1996 when the New England Journal of Medicine performed a study concluding the use of phen fen for three months or longer resulted in a twenty-three-fold increase in pulmonary hypertension. After a 1997 Mayo Clinic study linking phen fen to heart valve problems as well the FDA issued a warning and then the phen fen recall a month later. The phen fen lawsuits held American Home Products responsible for the serious and deadly conditions because the company failed to report the adverse effects.
According to an FDA key reviewer of phen fen, American Home Products knew about the phen fen dangers before it was ever withdrawn from the market, a basis for many of the phen fen lawsuits. "
There were more than 11,000 phen fen lawsuits settled by American Home Products, costing the company $4.83 billion. The phen fen lawsuits settlements were considered the largest products liability settlement of all time. Phen fen lawsuits sought damages for the instances of primary pulmonary hypertension, valvular heart disease, endocardial fibrosis, death, and other adverse effects.
Amazingly, however, President George W. Bush, immediately after taking office in 2000, shut down the phen fen lawsuit freight train by executive order, or it likely would have been even bigger. Today, if your heart has been permanently damaged by phen fen - all you can look forward to is re-imbursement for the cost of OTHER DRUGS designed to regulate your defective heart - thanks to Dubya's interference. http://www.settlementdietdrugs.com/
In 2000, shortly after his son's eye-raising actions protecting AHP, ex-President "Poppy" Bush honored AHP with an award for "humanitarian services rendered":
http://www.charitywire.com/charity18/00801.html
So, what has all of this to do with the current "swine flu" pandemic and PROMIS software, one may ask? As Danny Casolaro uncovered with fatal consequences, it has EVERYTHING to do with the global elite and the planned pandemic.
CONNECTING THE DOTS
Back in 1980, two scientists affiliated with Harvard University founded a company called "Genetics Institute" in Andover, Massachussetts. Thanks to the largess of international "research grants" from the world's eugenics labs, Genetics Institute began to immediately study the field of "Gene Cloning" with an emphasis on viruses and bacteria. The scientists published papers on their research and sought increased grant funding for this complex field. These scientists expounded on the need for a "super computer" to map the complex genetic helixes of all plants and animals - beginning with the simplest genetics - that of viruses!
In December, 1986, Genetics Institute purchased the first building in what is today known as the "Wyeth BioPharma Andover" facility. This massive 260,000 square foot building housed its viral and cell cultures, as well as numerous "purification suites".
According to the official Wyeth Inc. website: "In 1992, American Home Products (AHP) acquired a 60% share of Genetics Institute, which became a wholly owned subsidiary of AHP in December 1996. On March 5, 1998, AHP announced the integration of Wyeth-Ayerst Research and the research and development organization of Genetics Institute. AHP's vision to meet the soaring demand for new biopharmaceutical products led to the commitment of $2 billion in the Wyeth BioPharma organization. In March 2002, AHP changed its corporate name to Wyeth."
Connecting the dots, we see that AHP changes its corporate name to Wyeth in 2002. We also know that AHP, doing business as "Genetics Institute" was heavily involved in the Ft. Detrick "genetic engineering" of viruses at Ft. Detrick, Maryland under the direction of Terrence Tumpey and Jeffrey Taubenberger during the span of years 1998-2002. From its website, we know that Wyeth: "Employs 1,800, and is one of the largest biopharmaceutical operations in the United States, housing 7 manufacturing sites and 21 bioreactors-further cementing the claim that Boston is the world's premier biotech corridor." This is important to understand, because a "bio-reactor" is a "particle accelerator" by which cellular gene splicing and mutation by computer-generated design can actually take place on a massive scale. In short, this Harvard-based "campus" is one of the few places on the planet where a "reverse-engineered" weaponized virus could be massively produced for commercial (or military) applications.
Could this be why the State of Massachusetts is leading the charge to "forced pandemic flu vaccinations" - recommending JAIL SENTENCES and $1,000 PER DAY FINES for those who dare to refuse the vaccine? http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=154410
WYETH PARTNERS WITH MEDIMMUNE
In 2002, Wyeth announced a joint venture with MedImmune, Inc. to produce a unique INFLUENZA VACCINE called "FluMist". FluMist is unique in the fact that it is a nasal-spray vaccine utilizing LIVE VIRUSES. According to a 2007 Washington Post article, this joint venture dissolved in 2003 thanks to slumping sales - yet, according to The Post's analysis, MedImmune's FluMist product "has potential" if a pandemic influenza vaccine is needed. (This would be especially true if MedImmune could patent the very VIRUSES utilized in its nasal spray product!)
MedImmune's corporate offices and research labs are located in Gaithersberg, Maryland - just down the road from the U.S. Institute of Pathology labs at Ft. Detrick, Maryland where Dr. J. Taubenberger successfully reverse-engineered the deadly 1918 "recombinant" pandemic virus. Shortly after finishing the "resurrection" project, Taubenberger leaves the employ of Ft. Detrick and goes to work for the National Institutes of Health's "National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases." (NIAID).
http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/labs/aboutlabs/lid/respiratory
VirusesSection/Taubenberger.htm
Completely by coincidence, of course, during this same time frame MedImmune files for PATENT PROTECTION on the genetically altered and reverse-engineered PANDEMIC INFLUENZA VIRUS in 2007!! The patent is granted, and MedImmune then assigns the patent to MedImmune Vaccines Inc. (it's vaccine manufacturing subsidiary) and to Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger's National Institutes of Health. This patent is VITAL in protecting MedImmune's USE OF THE ENGINEERED LIVE VIRUS in its FLuMist product.
FluMist, of course, is the vaccine of choice for use in schools and young children. (Patent protection could never have been granted for a truly "natural" seasonal virus.)
Influenza Hemagglutinin And Neuraminidase Variants
Assignees: MedImmune Vaccines, Inc., Gaithersburg, MD (US): The Government of the United States of America National Institutes of Health, Rockville, MD (US)
Application number: 11/836,413
Publication number: US 2008/0069821 A1
Filing date: Aug 9, 2007
PATENT:
http://www.google.com/patents[....]=4&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
http://www.freshpatents.com/-[....]090010962.php?type=description
HOW LONG WILL THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA STAY SILENT ON THIS "STORY OF THE CENTURY"??
Source: http://www.rense.com/general87/oracle.htm
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Jesus thats the longest post i ever seen  i have not read this thread for sometime and its certainly changed in the discussion
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Jkovacz
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On 2009-11-15 02:43:00, Bonovox wrote:
Jesus thats the longest post i ever seen i have not read this thread for sometime and its certainly changed in the discussion
if by that you mean it's gone off-topic, I have to disagree.
When reaearching Chemtrails you'll find that the sites/locations involved are monitored by the Same organisations involved in vaccine production, health monitoring etc etc... Remember, in addition to various nasty chemicals found in those trails, there are also dessycated human red blood cells! Like wtf!!! That alone, and those findings have been reproduced again and again,...that alone proves they are not contrails; and it proves they are not attempts at cloud seeding etc... Why include human blood cells?
Dedicated websites and researchers are also regularly 'visited' by CDC, EPA, FEMA, Airforce etc etc....
And as Perfect pointed out: various recent flu strains were as a matter of fact patented years before outbreaks! |
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funny thing is that my government said strong "NO!" to swine flu vaccine. yes, it's the same government, which how the certain theory is propagating, wishes my death. I'm starting to be suspicious! 
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Pray tell (getting back to the original chemtrail discussion), where do the airlines store the tanks containing the chemicals to spray?
Planes have to take off with a certain weight, including fuel, passengers and baggage. There's a formula for this, andI don't recall the chemicals being included.
Not only that, but see those crop sprayers or planes that dump water on fires? How long exactly do they last? How exactly do these planes spray enough chemicals on their flights - or does the pilot have a button to release the chemicals at set times?
And the planes that crash? Never yet seen an Air Crash Investigation mention the chemicals left at the scene of an accident.
It's one of the funnier conspiracy theories though, I'll give you that. Kind of like a conspiracy theory for people with no intelligence at all, because the person that created it did so for a laugh. I bet you're outraged by the fact that the Government isn't doing anything to ban the use of dihydrogen monoxide, despite its well known dangers.
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where do the airlines store the tanks containing the chemicals to spray
Maybe here?
There's a formula for this
They surely have it, even for scheduled flight.
does the pilot have a button to release the chemicals at set times?
I know exactly that they can spread with an on-off button. Search and you will see this.
Never yet seen an Air Crash Investigation mention the chemicals left at the scene of an accident.
If they don’t speak about chemtrails when you can look them in skies, how can you think that they would mention chemtrails left after an accident?
It's one of the funnier conspiracy theories though
Funnier conspiracy? That’s really funny, enjoy them while they spread poisons over your head.
funny thing is that my government said strong "NO!" to swine flu vaccine
Again, it wouldn’t be funny, you would be grateful because this time they made the right choice.
But you breath poisoned air with chemtrails in your country.
You can be grateful for this too.
As said by Jkovacz we are not off topic talking about swine flu and vaccines, it’s all connected.
Anyway, look some pics about chemtrails.
Enjoy!
What is this strange sky??….
Look on the left of the pic, above the cloud
And this?
In this video (taken with my Renoir  ) observe how looks and moves the h.a.a.r.ponized poison:
http://img694.imageshack.us/i/v1211091247.mp4/
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very nice Cirrus clouds
you would be grateful because this time they made the right choice.
ohh, what choice? in this country "yes" doesn't mean compulsory vaccination
But you breath poisoned air with chemtrails in your country.
no, I don't
BTW. are you preparing something to this month camera shootout competition?
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no, I don't
I know your certanties
On 2009-11-04 14:19, Raiderski wrote:
nothing, plane trails and nothing else
BTW. are you preparing something to this month camera shootout competition?
No, i wanna let you win mate!
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ehehehe no way! can I make an objection to this decision?
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NIGHTTIME AEROSOL SPRAYING BY PLANES REPORTED IN POLAND
Monday, 16 November 2009 10:42
Reports are coming in from Poland that airplanes carrying out aerosol spraying have been flying in the middle of the night. Planes were reported in the Gdansk area and in the south east. A pilot reported hearing an aircraft noise that he could not identify in the night time.
The reports of airplanes carrying out spraying in the night are similar to the ones from western Ukraine when low flying light airplanes carrying out aerosol spraying over Ukrainian cities were seen during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009 just before huge numbers of people began to get sick and the first deaths from the pneumonia plague were diagnosed.
The Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities.
The Ukraine government has since implemented a state of emergency, postponed elections, banned public meetings, closed some of its borders, ordered the arrest of critics of vaccinations and is also prepared for a mass forced vaccination programme with the toxic and untested swine flu jab.
WHO has acquired extraordinary powers over the Ukraine as a result of this emergency declaration under the pretext of fighting a pandemic.
WHO and Baxter have been linked to bioterrorism activities and the release of the pneumonic plague by a number of analysts.
There are no reports of pneumomic plague in Poland so far.
Source: http://www.theflucase.com/ind[....]ighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en
Fire department in Poland prepares for huge pandemic flu outbreak in 2 to 3 months
Monday, 16 November 2009 10:37
Documents have surfaced from Poland showing that preparations are in place for a huge pandemic flu outbreak in 2 to 3 months time.
The fire Department is to be used for pandemic operations among other branches.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2346872/ah1n1wytyczne.pdf
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23468[....]anizacji%20dekontamianacji.pdf
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23468[....]adamiania%20Ratunkowego1_1.ppt
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2346872/teleinformatyka_23092009.ppt
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2346872/wycena%20CPR_1.pdf
Souce: http://www.theflucase.com/ind[....]ighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en
Chemtrails in Poland from satellite views:
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nas[....]=Europe_2_03.2009306.terra.1km
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nas[....]=Europe_2_03.2009305.terra.1km
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nas[....]=Europe_2_03.2009283.terra.1km
Are you ready Raider?
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ohh! a lot of very inconsistent "facts", give me some time to answer
BTW. very nice Cirrus clouds
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