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AbuBasim
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On 2008-10-24 20:38:27, gforce23 wrote:
Anyways, IIRC Sony had a CMOS-equipped mid-ranger too.. the R1 way back in '06.
The Sony R1 had a large sensor: 21.5 x 14.4 mm (very close to APS-C) which means that it had almost the same pixel density as dSLRs with the same resolution, like for example the Canon EOS 40D (sensor size 22.2 x 14.8 mm). I expect that the quality of the photos from the Canon SX1 will not be even near what you got from the Sony R1.
But maybe I am wrong. Canon may have developed some new kind of CMOS sensor, like Sony's new back-illuminated sensor. |
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AbuBasim
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I hope SE doesn't use the EXMOR sensor in the rumored 12 MP phone. I just read DPReview' review of Sony's A900, which is equipped with a 24 MP full frame EXMOR CMOS sensor. The following is quoted from the high ISO comparison with Nikon's D700:
Whilst the Alpha 900's headline-grabbing 24.6 million pixel count might put it at the top of the resolution tree it does, inevitably, come at a price: despite the large, full-frame sensor, the pixel density is roughly the same as a 10MP APS-C camera, and that means noise is going to be a problem at higher ISO settings. The inherently higher noise, combined with Sony's rather brutal approach to noise reduction, means that the Alpha 900 produces rather disappointing output at ISO 1600 and above.
As the example at the bottom of the page shows, turning the noise reduction off, switching to raw capture and doing some serious post-processing (including cutting the resolution in half) narrows the gap between the Alpha 900 and the Nikon D700 significantly, but there's no getting away from the fact that in its desire to raise the megapixel bar even further, Sony has produced one of the noisier D-SLRs launched in the last few years.
If they use the same type of sensor, then the 12 MP camera phone will only produce at most 6 MP in actual resolution. (Compare with the 4 MP output from the C905.)
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jordyzzz
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i hope they put ccd and optical zoom on this phone!
not a sucked cmos and digital zoom! |
idumbakumar
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especially we dont need 320x240. also not even VGA we need more than that.
i already hate c905 for video alone. a cheap nokia 3.2,p cam does VGA recording but 8mp c905 failed to do that shame.... what ever may be i dont accept in that side. |
gforce23
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Sony Commercializes World's First, Industry Leading Resolution 12.25 Megapixel CMOS Image Sensor "Exmor(TM)" for Mobile Phones, new phone expected in March
Sony has just announced the Exmor IMX060PQ CMOS sensor, which paired with its matching auto-focus lens module (IU060F), will turn some lucky handset into a 1/2.5, 12.25 megapixel shooter when it enters the race in March 2009.
Sample image:
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I hope they've improved the optics. Either way, we have a real race on our hands. 
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AbuBasim
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On 2008-11-13 15:34:33, gforce23 wrote:
Sony has just announced the Exmor IMX060PQ CMOS sensor, which paired with its matching auto-focus lens module (IU060F), will turn some lucky handset into a 1/3.2, 12.25 megapixel shooter when it enters the race in March 2009.
Conflicting information in Sony's announcement. They announced two sensors. The 1/3.2" is an 8 MP while the 12 MP is 1/2.5" (thank goodness!).
The 8 MP may be the one used in the C905!
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naveedaziz83
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^^ the crop looks absolutely amazing in the above pic ..... makes me wait to get a new phone .. grr
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se_dude
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Awesome news man!!! So its SE vs Samsung again next year?? |
gforce23
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On 2008-11-13 18:06:52, AbuBasim wrote:
Conflicting information in Sony's announcement. They announced two sensors. The 1/3.2" is an 8 MP while the 12 MP is 1/2.5" (thank goodness!).
The 8 MP may be the one used in the C905!
I thought the C905 used a Samsung-branded sensor?
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se_dude
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On 2008-11-13 19:33:18, gforce23 wrote:
On 2008-11-13 18:06:52, AbuBasim wrote:
Conflicting information in Sony's announcement. They announced two sensors. The 1/3.2" is an 8 MP while the 12 MP is 1/2.5" (thank goodness!).
The 8 MP may be the one used in the C905!
I thought the C905 used a Samsung-branded sensor?
Thats patheitcally old,counterfieted news!! |
AbuBasim
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^^^ AFAIK, the older prototypes used a Samsung sensor. SE replaced it with the EXMOR sensor later and at the same time simplified the camera UI.
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se_dude
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I dont think the sensor has to do anything with the UI, unless you count in the ISO.
Hasnt samsung announced a 12 mp camphone for 2009 too?? |
gforce23
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On 2008-11-14 10:04:21, se_dude wrote:
I dont think the sensor has to do anything with the UI, unless you count in the ISO.
Hasnt samsung announced a 12 mp camphone for 2009 too??
IIRC, Samsung's flagship has 10MP and 3x optical zoom.
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AbuBasim
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On 2008-11-14 10:04:21, se_dude wrote:
I dont think the sensor has to do anything with the UI, unless you count in the ISO.
That's what I was referring to. They dropped the manual ISO selection.
Without actually knowing why they did this, my own theory is that they needed to speed up the development (by simplifying the camera UI software) since they changed sensor type so late. (The more cynical would say that Sony's sensor was not capable of using the higher ISOs of the Samsung sensor so they simply removed the option...)
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se_dude
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Anyone wont be that cynical, seeing that even the K850/c902 had manual iso's. |
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Posted: 2008-10-24 22:49
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