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Petition for SE to use CCD in their top C-series phones |
EddieAdams
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After reading that the N82 took "best imaging device" in Europe I feel its time for SE to wake up. This is the second thread I have started on the topic. http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=168485
Perhaps a petition thread could motivate SE. With the restrictive size of the sensors used in cell phones CMOS isn't cutting it. The images are "noisy" and inconsistent. As mentioned in my other thread the I-mobile 902(with a Sony CCD camera unit) still takes better images than any other camera phone.
If SE were to use CCD in their flagship C-series phone, not only would they reclaim the imaging crown, SE would surely have a best-seller on their hands. I would also like to see Xenon flash used.(Photolight is only a touch above led's)
If you agree and would like a product that could truly be considered a substitute for your stand-alone digtial camera then sign below. Feel free to comment as well.
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NightBlade
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I'm sure they know what they're doing. They aren't THAT stupid, you know.
Things aren't as simple as you describe them to be. |
LucianTheone
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LucianTheOne is agree and wanna give his vote for this. SonyEricsson have to be No. 1!!!
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On 2008-04-26 16:52:36, NightBlade wrote:
I'm sure they know what they're doing. They aren't THAT stupid, you know.
Things aren't as simple as you describe them to be.
I can say with all honesty, conviction and knowledge that SE DID NOT KNOW what they were doing with P990, so apparently you can't be too sure that they do in the case of their Cybershot range. I mean, how on earth can you say they know what they're doing when a convergence device such as N95 and N82 can outperform a dedicated imaging Cybershot phone like K850? Obviously no Cybershot branded SE device has won the prestigious imaging award so CCD or no CCD, they better be doing something!
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number1
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se clearly have no idea what there doing with the cybershot range 5megapixels is a very bad idea, they have also reduced the focal lengh to 4.2mm another very bad idea, and they have scrapped the xenon flash for a tacky led one with a stupid name another very bad idea. |
EddieAdams
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On 2008-04-26 16:52:36, NightBlade wrote:
I'm sure they know what they're doing. They aren't THAT stupid, you know.
Things aren't as simple as you describe them to be.
They're not as difficult as you imply either. SE's two flagships, w960 and k850, are hardly success'. W960 is a flop and k850 isn't far behind and comes up short in it's main feature; imaging. Not only does it come up short the k850 gets outdone by most of its competition. With the c902 they are continuing a shitty trend. The k800/810 take photos just as well as the k850. The k850 may take a better photo here and there but, the consistency of the k800/810 make up for it. If you're happy than don't sign and enjoy photoshopping, playing with your cam-settings, and convincing yourself the pictures are greeeaaat!
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EddieAdams
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On 2008-04-26 18:05:34, mode wrote:
On 2008-04-26 16:52:36, NightBlade wrote:
I'm sure they know what they're doing. They aren't THAT stupid, you know.
Things aren't as simple as you describe them to be.
I can say with all honesty, conviction and knowledge that SE DID NOT KNOW what they were doing with P990, so apparently you can't be too sure that they do in the case of their Cybershot range. I mean, how on earth can you say they know what they're doing when a convergence device such as N95 and N82 can outperform a dedicated imaging Cybershot phone like K850? Obviously no Cybershot branded SE device has won the prestigious imaging award so CCD or no CCD, they better be doing something!
^^what he said. Well put 
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NightBlade
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On 2008-04-26 18:05:34, mode wrote:
On 2008-04-26 16:52:36, NightBlade wrote:
I'm sure they know what they're doing. They aren't THAT stupid, you know.
Things aren't as simple as you describe them to be.
I can say with all honesty, conviction and knowledge that SE DID NOT KNOW what they were doing with P990, so apparently you can't be too sure that they do in the case of their Cybershot range. I mean, how on earth can you say they know what they're doing when a convergence device such as N95 and N82 can outperform a dedicated imaging Cybershot phone like K850? Obviously no Cybershot branded SE device has won the prestigious imaging award so CCD or no CCD, they better be doing something!
I'm sure they are. But I'm also sure that just putting a CCD sensor won't solve all their problems. |
AbuBasim
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On 2008-04-26 18:53:51, NightBlade wrote:
I'm sure they are. But I'm also sure that just putting a CCD sensor won't solve all their problems.
When I read the following in Mobile-review's review of the i-mobile 902:
But what really grabs our attention and what is the core of this very review, is the fact that I-Mobile’s handset carries a camera module that we are to see in a number of upcoming Sony Ericsson-branded phones in 2007. Even a fleeting glance unveils near resemblance of interface layout with Sony Ericsson K750i, which is not just all another coincidence – the camera is in fact made by Sony. In Sony Ericsson’s brand new handsets the camera’s UI will be revamped with more features coming up, but the basic quality of snaps, as well as approximate size of future handsets, can be checked out today.
. . . and saw some of the sample shots, like this one:
(Full size.)
. . . then I almost crapped myself when  introduced the K850i. And how the excitement turned into eye-watering disappointment when reading that it has a tiny, tiny CMOS sensor.
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iksplusipsilon
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...and it would be nice if we left "bashing" ( that I wholeheartedly support on this and some other issues ! ) on the other threads, and try to keep this one nice and clean and with as many "signatures" possible ?  |
kenoby
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Here's mine. Hope there will be something coming up soon. To replace my K850 and P1i altogether...
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On 2008-04-26 16:51:01, EddieAdams wrote:
After reading that the N82 took "best imaging device" in Europe I feel its time for SE to wake up. This is the second thread I have started on the topic. http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=168485
Perhaps a petition thread could motivate SE. With the restrictive size of the sensors used in cell phones CMOS isn't cutting it. The images are "noisy" and inconsistent. As mentioned in my other thread the I-mobile 902(with a Sony CCD camera unit) still takes better images than any other camera phone.
If SE were to use CCD in their flagship C-series phone, not only would they reclaim the imaging crown, SE would surely have a best-seller on their hands. I would also like to see Xenon flash used.(Photolight is only a touch above led's)
If you agree and would like a product that could truly be considered a substitute for your stand-alone digtial camera then sign below. Feel free to comment as well.
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[ This Message was edited by: EddieAdams on 2008-04-26 17:17 ]
@ Eddie,
No offense but this is a lackluster petition without research for what you are asking. I'll try to be brief.
* CCD does NOT gaurantee a better image in camera phones under 10MP.
* CCD adds more weight and SIZE to the thickness of a phone: that "I-mobile 902" phone which I cannot even see the specs on dimensions on gsmarena.com is HUGE in the link at (http://www.mobile-review.com/review/imobile-902-en.shtml)! Its thickness surely based on the CCD module alone (miniSD, USB, volume buttons have NO effect on the engineering of a devices thickness like CCD does). SE abandoned CCD after teh S700/S710 - although promising it for the K750i because of mass hysteria - due to its more expensive cost & manufacturing compared to CMOS chips.
* That qualty CMOS module used in the K750i which STARTED QUALITY print photos taken by a cam-phone did PRETTY well. Modding on the K800/K790 algorhythms of the CMOS IMPROVED the K800's photos just like the K750i's. I see this trend happening with the K850 when XS++ can correctly update & modify the firmware/system files.
* THe Nokia N82 that won that award is ALSO CMOS sensor based - I'm willing to bet that if SE used a GLASS lens on the K850i then quality would suffice equal to that of the N82 in most if not ALL conditions.
* Currently there is less than 5 camera phones by ANY manufacturer WORLDWIDE that uses CMOS in a recent production model (less than 1yr) on the market today!
There you have it. Some quick research to back up my emotions on this subject. I'm not trying to tell ppl what they should decide or not JUST trying to help them be MORE INFORMED before making a rash decision.
I think the petition should change its angle, but I'm STILL for the BEST quality in cybershot phones in the future. My suggestions (if you'll allow) are:
* Use GLASS lenses in ALL Cybershot phones from now on co-designed by various or single lens crafters.
* Test & if "quality" pics are proven; consider using that Varioptic -Liquid Optical lense module: http://www.engadget.com/2008/[....]acturing-liquid-camera-lenses/
& http://www.advancedimagingpro[....]-Lenses-for-Cell-Phones/3$4978
for use in future Cybershot cam-phones. Why? Their faster and use LES S Power - 2 major things for SE to consider.
* No more touch-capacitance or touch-sensitive keys on future Cybershot phones. Although the design is incredible many users have too much of a learning curve to adjust to it.
* Powerful processing & Power-efficient cpu's in ALL future phones! NEAR IMMEDIATE future. This OS was designed for speed & efficiency, and lately its lagging due to the strain that A2 platform is giving it. The platform is PERFECT save for no WiFi; but using OLDER cpu's is just too much. SO my suggestion is for SE engineers and Head of Mobile Engineering to NO LONGER committ to more than 1yr cpu sourcing deals so that each year we're using current and powerful cpu's that keep the systems performing fast, efficiently and effectively without killing battery consumption rates that we're used to nor killing consumer appreciation for using their phone past 30 days  .
Please, tell me if I stepped on any shoes, or went overboard, pls & thx.
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hgautam
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Me too... A CCD lens, Xenon flash plus a 3x Optical Zoom are a must, a 2 LED photoflash in addition to these would be a bonus...
But a nightblade said, only putting CCD is not enough... I hope SE doesn't over smoothes or oversharpens the images like K850... |
sadeghi85
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IMO a relatively big CMOS sensor with low megapixels will do the job, a camera in phone is just for fun after all, but yeah for those crazy megapixels and to have acceptable pixel quality, a CCD sensor is inevitable. so i'm in. |
QVGA
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SE needs a N93i like phone. An all out dedication to video/camera. Screw the size and weight conscious people!
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Posted: 2008-04-26 16:51
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