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scotsboyuk
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On 2006-05-26 19:14:52, axxxr wrote:
Of course those type of threads do raise debate,but no one else seems to have a problem with them apart Scotsboyuk and a couple of other of his followers...
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Yes, it's all a conspiracy axxxr, my 'followers' and I!
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if he does'nt like them,he should simply avoid them,they are plenty of members who don't get involved in threads because they have no interest in...
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But I choose not to. They are a blight on this forum and they deserved to be challenged. If you don't like that, well either stop posting them or accept the fact that people will challenge your posts.
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The percentage of political threads i post here is very low...
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A low percentage of biased hate filled nonsense is still biased hate filled nonsense.
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the remarks in this thread somehow suggest i flood the forums with them,if anything i flood the forums with mobile and gagdet news..and Scotsboyuk should participate in them rather than come on esato to make his views known about what he things about me....Scotsboyuk tends to post all his :e: discussion on se-nse and come on esato to make his political views known in my threads...otherwise he shows no other interest in esato!
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Oh dear someone is getting a little frustrated, an attempt at a personal shot!
Yes I do post more on SE-NSE about mobile subjects than I do Esato, but then I also post more about mobile subjects on HoFo and Wireless Advisor than I do on Esato. People like yourself put me off Esato.
I do actually post in other threads on Esato; you may not be familiar with them as they tend not to include the terms 'George Bush', 'Palestine', 'Israel', 'conspiracy' or 'America'.
I think it's rather apalling that a member of the Esato staff should be allowed to engage in political aggrandizement to such an extent that he works himself into a position to come under such criticism in the first place.
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I couldn't agree with you more Luke! It is such a shame to see these types of threads turn out this way.
There is an easy option if you don't like a thread DON'T READ IT, if you do not agree with people's opinions, say so but espect there's or just DON'T REPLY.
Simple pimple!
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On 2006-05-26 19:17:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
Oh dear, I'll be crying into my pillow tonight.
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would did i exactly do wrong to you?...i don't see this attitude coming from anyone else?
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On 2006-05-26 19:17:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
Here come the violins ... How terribly kind of you to be so patient with the nasty scotsboyuk, it must be hard for you with me being so outrageous as to ask you to provide evidence for your rants or challenging your more paranoid and hate injected ramblings.
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Patronising as usual....Pity because i thought you were better than that...don't know what evidence exactly your after??...but sounds like your after more than that.
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On 2006-05-26 19:17:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
That refutes that paranoia claim then!
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Your the one being paranoid.
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On 2006-05-26 19:17:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
I don't hate you either, I just dislike you.
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Well i don't dislike you or hate you....i can't force you to do either.
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On 2006-05-26 19:17:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
... just as much as you do into tarnishing Esato.
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Your the one tarnishing esato which this nonsense.
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On 2006-05-26 19:17:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
Well you do post news, but then that's not really what people object to.
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You and a few other who object to the usual things....can't please everyone now can we?
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Grow up mate!
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On 2006-05-26 19:17:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
They are your attempt at turning this forum into a soapbox to air your increasingly paranoid and hate soaked views. You claim you want political discussion, but when anyone actually tries to discuss an issue you cannot respond in a rational manner. What you really want is simply for people to pat you on the back and tell you how right you are. You are an attention seeker who needs the approval of other people.
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Hate soaked according to you....If my opinions come across to you that way..then you have a right to your opinions but don't tell me what to do and what i should and should'nt be posting.....who's seeking attention here?.....other peoples opinions are important to me,some like yourself can't fathom the fact that i have a lot of support here.
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On 2006-05-26 19:17:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
Please point out what I have said that is unfair.
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Are you having a laugh? 
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On 2006-05-26 19:17:55, scotsboyuk wrote:
You can hold any view you like, I did say that before, but then I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised that you didn't read that or failed to pick up on it. I asked you before to tone down your political rhetoric, in fact, as I recall, you asked me what you should do and that was my advice to you. If you cannot tone down your rhetoric then you will simply have to expect people to keep challenging you.
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I always pick up on what all members tell me and practice that advice as best i can...I took your advice last time i asked you,and considerably cut down on political/threads threads...but i don't supposed you've noticed that!...just another one of those excuses to have snipe at me would'nt you agree?....why don't you be honest and tell us whats really bothering you.
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On 2006-05-26 19:25:12, Luke-the-magic-man wrote:
The reason people want to post about other issues is because theres a reel feel of comunity within these boards
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A community feel tends not to last long when people are arguing about politics and religion.
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How can you say that the whole fredom of speach should be quietened down? If one is to give their opinion then they should say exactly what they think, not just dim it down so it doesnt offend anyone, what kind of cretin would want that?
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You have no right to freedom of speech on Esato. This isn't a country, laffen can decide to limit discussions to whatever he wants.
Now we should be allowed to discuss whatever we wish wihtin the rules, but I don't see it as being very good for the forum if we are discussing issues that cause offense to so many people. If one wishes to discuss such issues go to a dedicated forum where people expect there to be controversial issues on a regular basis.
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All these posts debating the actions of terroists or talk of politics are not a bad thing, it shows that we as people actually care about the things going on in the world, what harm is there in discussing it? Its not as if were activly supporting terrorists or funding properganda.
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Have you actually read through these threads? We have people calling for other people to be killed or denying the Holocaust. Is that conducive to a healthy community atmosphere?
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Now regards axxxr in this I seriously think those accusing him of being narrow minded too opinionated should actually consider what he is doing (I cant say what I really think as I think my post would get deleted by the mods). Yes its well known he has some issues regarding america and does post allot of topics on politics, but he also posts a hell of allot of other bits and peices based on mobile phones and other similar technologies.
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I don't see objections to the non-political posts.
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I personally think his political threads are the best kind as its the only time I see people really getting into the subject at hand, I dont understand why people have a problem with this? He posts on lots of things and look how the 911 thread is going, well over 900 replys and thousands of views, now I think that clearly shows people want this kind of discussion?
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They really get into the subject at hand? Every time I ask axxxr to get into the subject at hand he blusters and procrastinates. If he wants discussion then by all means discuss, but it is quite apparent that what he wants is a soapbox. Let's see some evidence to support his views, let's see some actual debate and discussion and not simply axxxr opinionating and making more wild, unfouned and hate filled claims.
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I do actually post in other threads on Esato; you may not be familiar with them as they tend not to include the terms 'Goerge Bush', 'Palestine', 'Israel', 'conspiracy' or 'America'.
I think it's rather apalling that a member of the Esato staff should be allowed to engage in political aggrandizement to such an extent that he works himself into a position to come under such criticism in the first place.
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What do you mean appauling? He is what I would call a valued member of staff, he reports the news and gives his opinion, i think thouse are to very important qualities in any thread. You should really think allot harder about what he does. Yeh he posts allot about politics, didums. At least he gives his option at the matter of hand rather then the posters, I have no idea why you " dislike: him so much, it doesnt seem to make much sense to me, but prehaps youd like to give a go at presenting a opinion at the matter of hand rather then that of everyone else.
You say his options are biased - well duh! Its called mediation its like the matrix and its all around you, not even the bloody bbc reports a storey without it, every singe thing you read or see has been mediated so the audience will take a certain viewpoint on the article at hand. If you cant deal with it then post your own topic on the same subject but using a differnet view point?
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scot...whats wrong? what happened to you?
i thought you liked giving your opinion...you were prolly one of the biggest contributors to those threads...
its sad, you have resorted to slander, why and over what, i have no idea...
talking bout free speech...your saying threads related to politics/religion should be kept to a minimum, and then you say, 'we' dont like it when you say things...no one has ever said to you, dont speak, dont post...we debate, talk, give our opinion, not tell each other to stop thinking and go to another planet...in discussing ideas, we are trying to come to mutual understandings and educate ourselves on matters...
whats the problem...
if you have no intrest, if you dont like the threads, dont read them, is that too hard?
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On 2006-05-26 19:38:15, scotsboyuk wrote:
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On 2006-05-26 19:25:12, Luke-the-magic-man wrote:
The reason people want to post about other issues is because theres a reel feel of comunity within these boards
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A community feel tends not to last long when people are arguing about politics and religion.
See I diagree with that, we all have our own opionions and we should all RESPECT that, anyway theres not that many political threads these days I think you killed them off
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How can you say that the whole fredom of speach should be quietened down? If one is to give their opinion then they should say exactly what they think, not just dim it down so it doesnt offend anyone, what kind of cretin would want that?
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You have no right to freedom of speech on Esato. This isn't a country, laffen can decide to limit discussions to whatever he wants.
yes, true but we can all discuss till the threads are deleted, and fredom of speach will cece to exist on esato
Now we should be allowed to discuss whatever we wish wihtin the rules, but I don't see it as being very good for the forum if we are discussing issues that cause offense to so many people. If one wishes to discuss such issues go to a dedicated forum where people expect there to be controversial issues on a regular basis.
Why not esato? I come here to read the news on all matters, I have been on political forums, but many of the people there dont speak their mind they just speak what they think is right
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All these posts debating the actions of terroists or talk of politics are not a bad thing, it shows that we as people actually care about the things going on in the world, what harm is there in discussing it? Its not as if were activly supporting terrorists or funding properganda.
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Have you actually read through these threads? We have people calling for othe rpeople to be killed or denying the Holocaust. Is that conducive to a healthy community atmosphere?
Yes I have, although have not read the one in mention, but if thats someones opion we should not denigh it, althoguh as long as no one is saying yes we should create another hollocast and start planning it I believe its ok to debate the pros and cons of this, although I will say i am not one to suggest we have another hollocaust!
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Now regards axxxr in this I seriously think those accusing him of being narrow minded too opinionated should actually consider what he is doing (I cant say what I really think as I think my post would get deleted by the mods). Yes its well known he has some issues regarding america and does post allot of topics on politics, but he also posts a hell of allot of other bits and peices based on mobile phones and other similar technologies.
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I don't see objections to the non-political posts.
What have you got against political threads? Are you really tony blair or something and dont like your party threated by the ongoings of members of a mobile phone forum
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I personally think his political threads are the best kind as its the only time I see people really getting into the subject at hand, I dont understand why people have a problem with this? He posts on lots of things and look how the 911 thread is going, well over 900 replys and thousands of views, now I think that clearly shows people want this kind of discussion?
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They really get into the subject at hand? Every time I ask axxxr to get into the subject at hand he blusters and procrastinates. If he wants discussion then by all means discuss, but it is quite apparent that what he wants is a soapbox. Let's see some evidence to support his views, let's some actual debate and discussion and not simply axxxr opinionating and making more wild, unfouned and hate filled claims.
What do you mean? His opinion is opening a discussion?
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On 2006-05-26 19:31:54, miss copperfield wrote:
There is an easy option if you don't like a thread DON'T READ IT, if you do not agree with people's opinions, say so but espect there's or just DON'T REPLY.
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Have a nice evening people
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Well said Miss C.
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hurrah miss c.
turn a blind eye and all that.....
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and well said luke.
You are the magic man.
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apparantly when people slag off Islam or any other religion, it's freedom of speech.
I think that if the truth is the truth then it's fine.
But when it's to provicate its not.
There are more anti Islam threads on the net than Anti-anything in my opinion.
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On 2006-05-26 19:35:51, axxxr wrote:
would did i exactly do wrong to you?...i don't see this attitude coming from anyone else?
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You are a demagogue, plain and simple. You use this forum as your own private soapbox and you get upset when people challenge you on your views. You hide behind freedom of speech, but you care nothing for actual discussion or the truth. You are only interested in disseminating your own awful and maligned view of the world, not actual debate or objective reasoning.
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Patronising as usual....
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Look what I have to work with.
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Pity because i thought you were better than that...don't know what evidence exactly your after??...but sounds like your after more than that.
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I have asked you on several occassions to provide evidence to back up your views, you have singularly failed to do so. You present your views as fact, you spread conspiracy theories as if they were concrete, yet you will not or cannot provide substantiating proof of such claims.
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Your the one being paranoid.
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I don't normally use infantile responses so you will have to help me out here; is this the part where I say "No you are!"?
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Well i don't dislike you or hate you....i can't force you to do either.
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Good for you.
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Your the one tarnishing esato which this nonsense.
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Another one ... okay " No you are!" (It's rather easy when you get going actually )
There would be no need for anyone to criticise you as they do or to scrutinise your posts so much if you would simply refrain from spreading such awful invectives and actually back up your posts with solid evidence.
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You and a few other who object to the usual things....can't please everyone now can we?
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So I do or don't object to your news posts? Since you seem know my opinion on them I would appreciate you informing me of it.
Now that really hurt!
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Hate soaked according to you....If my opinions come across to you that way..then you have a right to your opinions but don't tell me what to do and what i should and should'nt be posting.....
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One would hope that you wouldn't have to be told ...
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who's seeking attention here?
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Apparently you are. You were the one who publicly announced you were leaving Esato when some people said things you didn't like. You were the one upset over not being included in my interview thread.
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.....other peoples opinions are important to me,some like yourself can't fathom the fact that i have a lot of support here.
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The only support you require are the sleeves of a straighjacket.
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Are you having a laugh?
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At you? Always.
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I always pick up on what all members tell me and practice that advice as best i can...I took your advice last time i asked you,and considerably cut down on political/threads threads...but i don't supposed you've noticed that!...just another one of those excuses to have snipe at me would'nt you agree?....why don't you be honest and tell us whats really bothering you. |
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You don't seem to realie that a biased post full of invective and bile is still going to illicit a response fom people. Cutting down the number of them isn't going to make much difference to the content. You were the one asking me what you should do and I gave you my advice, you seem to have chosen to ignore that, which makes me wonder why you bothered asking in the first place.
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what does it all matter anyway?
one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter,
there is only one sure way for us to live in harmony and it isnt going to happen, so when even challenge others views and opinions?
people have been brought up to belive in things, i've been brought up to belive that all religion is a farce. and thats how i've lived my life, i dont go around preaching and telling you all that religion is made up and a farce as it would just create more and more mayhem. its a well known thing that religions are antagonistic of others.
Can't we all just live with the fact that not everyone likes eveyone? ig we did wouldn't the world be such a boring place if we all just got on?
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Oh my goodness I'm soooo going to get it in the neck when a mod claps eyes on this thread......
I'd hoped people could talk about this rationally without it turning into scotsboyuk Vs axxxr.
I apologise for starting this thread, think I wasn't in the right frame of mind at the time and perhaps phrased a few things incorrectly 
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Just take an example: I would now post everything related to Palestinians but in a bad way, I'm not sure that people will just ignore the threads, sorry miss copperfield but the "don't like, don't read" can't really work for political/religious threads.
I'm for political/religious threads but not beeing labelled as a media child or a weak minded because I'm questioning the conspiracy theories, I cannot count how much time I had as reply to my questions the "you believe the US gov and everyhting on tv", that's the real problem with those threads.
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Ok, when did that occur on esato. Again and again no one is slagging Islam here.
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