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Posted: 2006-03-04 06:56
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@max: Please don't misunderstand me dude, I very much agree with most of what you said (except the api bit), all I am trying to say is that XPe would be a big disadvantage to both developers and end users. For multifold reasons which I would be happy to discuss over pm. Mostly my point was that the link you gave is really old, and my heart wishes it is outdated, and the specs have changed. (whishful thinking )

I disagree with the api bit, because, XPe as the name suggests uses the standard MFC (microsoft foundation classes) api. Only problem (as explained before) is, after XPe has been installed, new applications cannot be installed, simply because XPe is an EPDS (end point deployment solution, you can read more about it in the windows for devices forum). Period.

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Engadget exposes that the orgami will use XP Tablet PC edition.

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Posted: 2006-03-06 02:15
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okay I stand corrected I am pleased also that it includes XP tablet edition rather than XPe. My knowledge of XPe is rudimentary, so I can't argue with you over the issue of apis. I'm sure you are quite correct, and I accept your statements completely. But I guess it seemed plausible to me that you could create an XPe edition that comes with an emulator built in that can run applications.

I see what you are saying about XPe api's being locked down after it is installed, but that doesn't mean you can't run applications on an emulator platform that provides a user interface and it's own api's, for after-market software development. The only reason I was wondering if this was the case was because Origami was being pitched at a market that would want to have some kind of expandability (as opposed to a psp for instance which you can only run apps from media - you can't install apps on the psp from what I understand), and if Origami was initially developed on an XPe platform, then they must have accomodated end user installable apps somehow.

I still think there is a small chance this initial XPe origami version may have had that ability, but as engadget have revealed, it now uses XP Tablet edition, and that's a good thing for developers also.

So I am quite excited about Origami now. It signifies that mobile hardware is becoming powerful enough to compete with fully fledged laptop or desktop pc's (atleast for basic end user functions such as internet, word porcessing, multimedia viewing etc). It also shows how efficient XP is as an OS.

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Posted: 2006-03-06 22:38
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PC World has a bit more on this

but if its anything like this... I'm already half hooked!

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Posted: 2006-03-06 22:40
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It looks pretty good from what i can see there! [addsig]
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Posted: 2006-03-06 22:45
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here is another pic I just found on engadget



which has alot of styling/button positioning similarites with the pics of the model used in the video from last year

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Posted: 2006-03-07 11:40
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check out; http://umpc.com , It says something about today.


Edit: There Is a new video here and some more info here.
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Posted: 2006-03-07 11:52
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yeah, I spotted mention of that on msmobiles this morning but there is nothing much on the UMPC page yet

msmobiles do offer these new pics though



which appear to show a slide out keyboard!
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Posted: 2006-03-07 12:00
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On 2006-03-07 11:52:55, masseur wrote:


which appear to show a slide out keyboard!




Not slide out, its a rotating keyboard.


This device has been on the intel page for about 2 months. Looks damn cool.
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Posted: 2006-03-07 12:11
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On 2006-03-07 12:00:36, Debu wrote:
Not slide out, its a rotating keyboard.




wow!

Quote:

This device has been on the intel page for about 2 months. Looks damn cool.



I never saw that! I am getting more interested by the minute here
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Posted: 2006-03-07 20:10
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I must say that does look really nice!

bring on the official announcement! [addsig]
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Posted: 2006-03-07 22:45
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right. according to cnet

Intel showed off two prototypes of Ultra Mobile PC devices at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco on Tuesday. The models are examples of full-featured, low-wattage minitablets that can run a variant of Windows XP, developed as part of Microsoft's Origami Project.

Credit: Ina Fried/CNET News.com


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Posted: 2006-03-09 01:25
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hoo yeah! Very nice.

Now shrink it to the size of a candybar, put a phone in it, and you have my new phone I've been waiting for. (I so want a Windows XP phone)
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Posted: 2006-03-09 07:04
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Engadget got their hands on the samsung made orgami. See it here


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Posted: 2006-03-09 09:14
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The Orgami Project Site has been updated too.
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Posted: 2006-03-09 13:07
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Microsoft Origami Project Unplugged

it says that the first wave of products will be built by Samsung, Asus and Chinese manufacturer called Founder and will run Microsoft's Windows XP Tablet PC edition but with Microsoft software called "Touch Pak," designed to make on-screen icons appear larger, and to offer other features that adapt the operating system to the small size of the devices

price sounds good but I think I'll wait for some other reports with more details.

edit: found more

Live at CeBIT: Intel press briefing -- Origami is dead, long live UMPC




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