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WhiteEye
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On 2008-05-18 19:00:42, PeterKay wrote:
not 4 P5 protos, you fools 
4 unreleased  devices.
Shiho, Paris (whichever it is), one Walkman flip and one T-series. Right?
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bider
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Remember that?
I know it's polish, but everyone can see exif info...
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PeterKay
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On 2008-05-18 19:38:06, Xajel wrote:
On 2008-05-18 19:00:42, PeterKay wrote:
not 4 P5 protos, you fools
4 unreleased devices.
one little two parts question to you PK,
the device that you're talking about ( the one wich had better video recording quality than viewty ), do we know it's code-name ? or at least is it's code-name has been mentioned here in the last two or three pages ?
in the last 10 pages or so, yes.
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On 2008-05-18 19:48:28, PeterKay wrote:
in the last 10 pages or so, yes.
yeh I think this one doesnt have too much keys on its front
I wish I am not wrong
Thanks PK 
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On 2008-05-18 19:01:09, adcamb wrote:
Real people use features way behind what's available. Certainly the difference in the Camera and GPS are something most would notice, but 3gvs hsdpa vs hsupa is not a difference that most care about.
Definately...
If I can get a decent signal from a 3-4G connection and I need that speed, then I'm probably using my laptop and probably near a hotspot. 3G is way fast enough for email and web browsing and do you know of ANYONE who makes regular video calls?
So true...
We used a range of HTC phones and had problems from battery life, firmare updating, an inability to restore from backups made my previous firmware, slow screen transitions, two rings for the "do you want to answer the call" buttons to appear and devices that break when you drop them. The fact that most of them just died after 12 months didn't help either.
We have Blackberrys and they do the exact same thing with the phone not ringing straight away even though on the callers end its rung like three times... We've had problems with most of them and thats probably 15-20... They dont work well as phones, hence I use a P1...
So the UIQ3 platform is 2 years old, but it still works and my colleagues like it more than the alternatives. I'm loving the idea that the G900 can do the same things in such a small form factor. I can't wait to see what's coming in September, even if Paris does turn out to be a compromise, it'll be a solid, attractive usable compromise and that's what sells. That multimedia thing from the video looks amazing and the X1 may well sell me yet, but then so might the HTC Diamond if there is (as is rumoured) a version with a keyboard.
Really looking forward to the G900... The size is fantastic... And i'm looking forward to getting back to using T9 and typing one handed again, had enough of having to use both hands!
BB Connect works pretty well now..
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On 2008-05-18 18:49:20, makbil wrote:
Why don't you read what I wrote again, obviously you either didn't understand it or are confusing things.
Let's try again:
Symbian+UIQ+Touchscreen combo is good - it gave an advantage to SE over competitors, which SE very generously is wasting away.
I never mentioned anything about cameras, honestly don't care too much, as far as I'm concerned even a decent 2 MB one with AF will do. I was referring to the sound quality of SE walkman phones which are easily bettered by even the most basic Nokia phones.
I did re-read it, are you saying that SE has scraped it's edge on the smartphone business then? Which is a daft thing to say as they are still making the same OS and touchscreen combo phones? And according to many the P990 was the worst yet your saying it's the best?
As for the comment on camera's, it wasn't directed at you, I thought you would know as you didn't make a comment about the camera.
But to the people commenting on camera's I think it's very sad, the one feature of ANY phone that's used the least (You know pretty much everyone considers texting and making calls as a more important feature) is the one feature your all arguing about. I know plenty of people with N95's who couldn't give a rats ass about the camera, they use it yes but it's so infrequent it doesn't matter if it's 2 or 80Mbx. And they certainly don't have a clue about weather it's CCD or not or how many Mbpx's it is.
In the real world no one cares about camera's, but people on here seem to have an obsession with them and are stating SE's entire future on how good it's camera's are!!!???? You obviously don't work in business?
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@adcamb and caspa
Please you really can't be serious that people buying a smart phone which is a Data centric device are more concerned with a camera and GPS over HSDPA.
There are no 4G devices and won't be for a long time but as HSDPA already offers 3.6-7.2mbps it is a huge difference from 384kbps and for E-Mail it may make very little difference but with a nice fast processor and a great Web Browser the difference is very noticeable and to claim other wise is just ridiculous. If it is not even reaching 3.6mbps but just half of this it is still 4.5 faster then 3G's 384kbps and of course this increase in speed is very noticeable ask any one that has used it and see if the want to go back to just 384kbps i doubt you will find anyone that would want to.
Even SE users that have HSDPA on their devices sing it's praises and it is not an elite service but is now starting to be a standard feature on even non smart phones including some even from SE, just not on SE smart phones is all.
So if it really is not any better just why are SE giving it to some of their devices then? How about because they can as the new platforms support it where as the same old tech on their smart phones don't so until they upgrade it they can't give it even if they want to.
Now as to why SE don't upgrade the hardware on their UIQ handsets as of yet and seem in no hurry to that really is the $64,000 question. But that is what they really need to do and do fast it seems in most peoples opinion that is what they want. Who is going to do without a faster processor and HSDPA and larger screen just to own an expensive SE/UIQ device when they can get all they want from so many other manufactures and with such a wide range to choose from to.
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@Caspa
Me too, P's are like high-maintenance women, I need some rest... 
@apolloa
...well, makbil knows what he is talking about. P990 WAS the flop when it was released due to the firmware problems and the amount of time it took them to make it stable. The device is not perfect at the moment, but I also don't see anything ( including P1 ) that could totaly replace it, and that is not in SE's favour after 2+ years... We could argue the importance of camera in phones endlessly, but if they are already there, shouldn't they be more than a gimmick they are ATM ...
@Marc
... GPS performance will be of more importance to me than data speed in my next main device ... not saying that it is irrelevant, but we all have different needs and habits ...
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So what did you all think of the phone in the video m-one posted? I thought you would be buzzing with excitement but the focus seems to of shifted towards the downfalls of UIQ and SE.
To me anyways, it seems as if people on this forum are terrible at filling in the missing piece's even though the answers are right in front of you. Take the images of a new touch centric UIQ interface thats leaked onto the web last year. It clearly shows that SE are addressing issues many users have complained about.
Also a member here leaked some info that SE would start using the processor in the PSP ( which is ultra fast ) into a new phone.
Take the 3.5 inch MULTI-TOUCH screen that Sony created earlier this year, plus announcements that they want to have the first OLED multi-touch phone on the market.
Add all this together and it seems that SE are planning to launch a phone that might be based on the platform used in the PSP. It might not be UIQ but it should keep people that want an iphone like phone happy.
I've lurked on this thread since it started but I've only justed joined. And I have to say, some people here are very ungrateful! how many forums can claim to have company insiders that can leak products that are constantly active? Think about that and stop complaining! Some of you are acting like fruit slaves! its like you need a keynote with full specs and pricing before you get the message.
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@apolloa, what I'm saying is that SE had a huge advantage over its competitors but they are gradually loosing it. Two years ago I chose the P990 over the N95 because it had a touch screen even though N95 had more features. If Nokia can come up with a touch screen device (admittedly it should not be that easy) what leverage will SE have left?
I'm still one of those that believe Symbian is better suited to the mobile platform. So if SE adopts even a half decent strategy Symbian+UIQ may still have a future.
As for the P990, I've gotten used to it and honestly I don't have a serious memory problem, possibly due to my usage habits. I still claim that hardwarewise it is better than all subsequent SE offerings - with the exception of RAM size, it has bigger screen, proper qwerty kbd, lens cover, hard keys that SE seems to be doing away with... So yes, it has deficiencies but it's still better than what SE has offered since.
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@makbil, that's a much better post. Thanks.
IMO I don't think SE will loose out, not yet. I don't think they would even bother making the G700 if it wasn't for practically every Nokia having S60 on it, but you could turn it around onto Nokia, would they even bother making a touch screen phone if it wasn't for the iPhone? I still have my P990, I only got the P1i cause it's smaller and is also one of the reason why I'll get the G900.
But I agree that Simbian is the best platform, Win Mobile just looks like MS have squashed it's desktop OS into a phone, sure it works but not very well as a phone. But as Simbian was developed by Psion and Nokia and SE in the first place then it has by far the best heritage. But as mentioned above, the keyboard on the P1i is a love it or hate it affair, I hate it so the same device with a normal keypad is a boon.
As to the post asking shouldn't a camera be more then a gimmick? Well if you want a decent camera buy one, not even the best camera phone can compete with a compact camera. I really don't know of anyone who thinks a phone should also act a decent compact digital camera apart from the people on esato. It's just an added bonus. |
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On 2008-05-18 19:24:38, kurt_karun wrote:
Paris will be running on the same old processor..mizzle has confirmed that. so the only diff frm g900 is gps nd qwerty. He said the UI is much faster though.
sorry SE....
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On 2008-05-18 20:29:59, Caspa wrote:
We have Blackberrys and they do the exact same thing with the phone not ringing straight away even though on the callers end its rung like three times... We've had problems with most of them and thats probably 15-20... They dont work well as phones, hence I use a P1...
That's because non or you IT are trained professionals on the Blackberry platform. Simple solution to your problem is your profile settings:
*Profiles> Advanced - click.
*Edit the current profile that is Active.
*Scroll & select Phone.
*pay SPECIAL attention to "Out of Holster" & "In Holster" as either/both are most likely set to Vibrate & Tone!! This means it'll Vibrate as MANY times as the vibrate is set to below each heading under 'vibrate' (max 3 times) THEN it'll RING.
This function is great for those in a meetin that do NOT wish to disturb anyone in a meeting with a ringtone, but STILL wish to be notified of an important call - especially if its relevant to the meeting.
I also have YET to see a phone that'll give you menu's that properly reflect to the current status on the network - changes that affect menus' (ie Call Forwarding removed, Call Waiting, Call ID - you cannot block if its removed on your account on the network). Not even MS Mobile smarpthones do this automatically.
Not knowing a function is there doesn't mean the phone or the person operating it is incapable - you just need to find out, thats all.
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iksplusipsilon
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"if you want a decent camera, buy one" - again and again and again ... this is getting boring. As I said before, IF you are happy whit half-ass products, that is OK, I am glad for you, really ... but please do not tell me that I should be happy with it, especially since the decision not to use quality sensors etc. is not due to technical challenges and difficulties. It just bad business practice that is working due to the support of people like you ! sorry for the rant, won't happen again ...
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adcamb
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@theos
A 5mp camera is great, but try typing a long email with 12 keys and T9. It doesn't work, or it doesn't work for most people. A phone with a great camera and a pretty interface is nice. But if it can't handle phone calls then it's not much of a phone and if you can't send emails or browse the web easily then no-one will care how fast the connection is.
These are fundamental, the Nokia communicator lead the field in this respect for quite a while, they need something with the same impact. I think copying blackberry's half qwerty or small button approach wasn't stupid, even though I'd prefer a phone with no buttons at all, like the pre p990 phones which I always used with the flip removed. | |
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Posted: 2008-05-18 19:38
So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
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