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iksplusipsilon
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@clauf I don't think that Motorola was the brightest example :-) ! + I think that nobody here has a problem with SE releasing low-end devices per se. Problem is in the fact that we all used to be EXCITED with SE phones, doesn't matter if it was because of the design, or the "features", or the whole package ... Another problem is that for the last year and a half, SE is constantly acting "CHEAP" and putting out devices that are crippled without ANY reason whatsoever ! It wouldn't cost them much to put AF or LED on W910, it would cost them nothing to put advanced FIND in P1. Camera cover on X1 ? Naah... These things have nothing to do with R&D or cutting costs, they are simply decisions that reflect that "let's sell them last years cr..p, and buy ourselves some new Bentley's !" attitude that looks like it down from SONY :-) On the other hand, I would probably stop whining if only they didn't ditch the JogDial from P5 :-(
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clauf
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i have a bs in economics ... fwiw
With a degree in economics [I'm not sure what exactly bs is/maybe that is because we use different terms in different countries], you should realize that it is important for a company to focus on all ends of the market, which is exactly Sony Ericsson's tactic here.
When one Sony Ericsson representative says, "we will focus on the low-end market," everyone on this forum starts complaining and whining. Does that mean Sony Ericsson will only release low-end phones, no! Of course not! For christ sake, we are only in the fourth month of 2008. There is still eight months of the year for Sony Ericsson to release higher end phones.
how many have suffered since this new focus from shoddy workmanship and build quality? how many have had problems with "flagship" phones not operating competently when they are released? then tell me how selling poorly produced products is good for business. its this leaking, this redundancy this lack of ambition within R&D (or maybe even corporate doesnt see this segment as deserving of a new highend faceplate because of the poor sales of its last 2 flagship phones (P990/P1i) poor sales of shitty products and a company will shy away from producing them, almost cyclical(poor product > poor sales > reflected by the company putting forth less effort to produce said headsets > less sales of subsequent offerings))
Firstly, no one literally suffers if a company decides to change their business tactic. It is the consumer's choice whether to purchase the product. With regards to built-quality, I do agree that Sony Ericsson has had a few problems recently with their phones, especially with the W580.
In terms of software problems, like Mizzle said in his blog, Sony Ericsson will be releasing new features in their phones via updates [i.e. tv out].
i think this company had a great direction when it came out merging the best with the best, but unlike BOTH of its parent companies it is reliant on lowend sales and market penetration/saturation/share, they should also remember that brand retention is a huge part of growth, the ppl that buy a $600 are your best advertisement. somehow they think that you can bypass that.
As I said earlier, and I'll say it one more time, I do agree that Sony Ericsson should release a few high end phones for a better market penetration and I'm sure you agree with this too. This is what Nokia have been doing for a long time, which is why they are sucessful.
now onto your other statements, im not certain your first language is english so something may have been lost in the translation, so ill not nitpick. [u]but SE was revered for their disregard for what the commonplace phone/business phone was.[/u] they PIONEERED the multimedia touchscreen phone in an aesthetically pleasing and functional way. now we have an over abundance and portfolio clogging lowend philosophy.
Correct, English is not my first language, but I'm not using a translator. Before you start commenting on other's English, I think you should begin doing some house cleaning on your part. ill = to be sick. Correction: I will. Also, the bolded statement above is a poor/unusual combination of verbs.
For the last sentence: let me pose this question to you, from the summer of last year, how many phones have Sony Ericsson released are low-end [including mid-low]? Go ahead and compare this to Nokia.
What you have been doing is simply making assumptions.
On 2008-04-24 04:15:40, theos wrote:
@clauf I don't think that Motorola was the brightest example  ! + I think that nobody here has a problem with SE releasing low-end devices per se. Problem is in the fact that we all used to be EXCITED with SE phones, doesn't matter if it was because of the design, or the "features", or the whole package ... Another problem is that for the last year and a half, SE is constantly acting "CHEAP" and putting out devices that are crippled without ANY reason whatsoever ! It wouldn't cost them much to put AF or LED on W910, it would cost them nothing to put advanced FIND in P1. Camera cover on X1 ? Naah... These things have nothing to do with R&D or cutting costs, they are simply decisions that reflect that "let's sell them last years cr..p, and buy ourselves some new Bentley's !" attitude that looks like it down from SONY On the other hand, I would probably stop whining if only they didn't ditch the JogDial from P5 
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I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall now. I do want Sony Ericsson to release some exciting phone. But everyone just whines and complains -it's disgusting. There's this negativity and pessimism among many of the members of Esato now. I haven't been a long member, but I have noticed a huge change in this forum than before. At least Sony Ericsson has not been reusing designs unlike Nokia.
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korbindallis
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when is  going to give us a non touch screen UIQ phone or hopefully a cyber shot phone with nontouch screen uiq
hurry it up sony ericsson
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Keiki
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On 2008-04-24 04:15:40, theos wrote:
@clauf I don't think that Motorola was the brightest example  ! + I think that nobody here has a problem with SE releasing low-end devices per se. Problem is in the fact that we all used to be EXCITED with SE phones, doesn't matter if it was because of the design, or the "features", or the whole package ... Another problem is that for the last year and a half, SE is constantly acting "CHEAP" and putting out devices that are crippled without ANY reason whatsoever ! It wouldn't cost them much to put AF or LED on W910, it would cost them nothing to put advanced FIND in P1. Camera cover on X1 ? Naah... These things have nothing to do with R&D or cutting costs, they are simply decisions that reflect that "let's sell them last years cr..p, and buy ourselves some new Bentley's !" attitude that looks like it down from SONY On the other hand, I would probably stop whining if only they didn't ditch the JogDial from P5 
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SE called it DIVERSITY 
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>500
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wow, lots of rumours floating about here lately  *sarcasm*
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xell
Joined: Jan 15, 2006
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I have some for you. Take a look at this page at my beloved SE-World forum:
http://www.se-world.info/datenblatt_releasedates.php
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n3o
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hm interesting;) |
chuksy
Joined: Aug 07, 2007
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hmm.......five other high end this year. For those who keep whining- something for you
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S4k1s
Joined: Mar 09, 2005
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...you should realize that it is important for a company to focus on all ends of the market, which is exactly Sony Ericsson's tactic here.
When one Sony Ericsson representative says, "we will focus on the low-end market," everyone on this forum starts complaining and whining. Does that mean Sony Ericsson will only release low-end phones, no! Of course not! For christ sake, we are only in the fourth month of 2008. There is still eight months of the year for Sony Ericsson to release higher end phones.
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The thing is, what got most people fed up with is that (1) After K750/S700/P800/W900 stopped making cutting edge devices.
Other reasons are... 2) focused almost entirely on low-end segment. 3) recycled same features on the phones for 2 years. 4) stopped being the innovative force it was on the market. 5) Bugs. 6) Crap build quality. 7) Crippled devices.  The constant delaying of product announcements. 9) The will to release products like 6months - 1year after announcement.
Sure we love and support but we can't cover our eyes and say it is all going well. The numbers released yesterday show what people here has been saying for a long time.
You say there are 8 months left this year, so I'll ask you this. If phones announced Q1 are supposed to ship Q3/Q4, then when are phones announced Q2/Q3/Q4 supposed to ship?
I know a lot of people that refuse to buy  's because of the lack of digital audio chips in them. So what's up with that, it's like comparing emulated sound cards on motherboards with standalone sound cards? It's not the same thing.
The fact that refuses to put digital audio chips in the 's amazes me.
Things like these put many people off. But we should still respect their thoughts and hear them out :]
Also I don't agree WM is bad for it opens many doors for to make mass market touch devices like LG and Samsung, and still have UIQ touch devices.
Anyways there are 8 months left, let see what happens 
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bavlondon2
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Interesting names.
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>500
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could just be me, but, do the phones with Japanese code names usually turn out similar to japanese phones?
Take Sakura (w900) for example, japanese designed/inspired
And the upcoming Shiho (Japanese? not sure) but its rumoured to be based on the jap cybershot (what ever model it is)
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goldenface
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Possibly. W900i was very well built (almost too well) and was one of the few phones to designed and manufactured in Japan.
The thing is, Japanese phones are not by rule usually slim - the SE fashion for slim phones don't seem to have been taken up as much as it has done in the West.
The 5.0MP SO905iCS was 25mm thick (the 5.0MP C902 is 11mm thick) so hopefully Shiho is well specced and somewhere around the 14mm mark.
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Lunion
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september looks like a busy month!
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elvis100
Joined: Apr 23, 2007
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VIDEOVIEW: Hands-on with the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 Windows Mobile 6.1 Smartphone
http://www.theunwired.net/?it[....]-windows-mobile-6-1-smartphone
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badassmam
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With regards to the X1 video, I do like the X1 panel with the clock, calender and stuff on it. I would like to see a few more options on UIQ where you add different elements to the home screen, a bit like Windows sidebar on Vista where you can select whatever to be visible at the home page. I guess screen size is the main limitation, X1 has a massive screen which makes WM look great.
I seem to recall a UIQ dashboard concept thing which maybe describes my point in more detail. The G series panel shortcuts are nice but a single page with everything would be nicer.
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