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fetzi
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Me too, I guess - but unfortunately the newbies do not; that´s the reason we´re argueing here - or am I missing the point?
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masseur
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On 2004-12-14 17:07:57, dave_uk wrote:
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Now, any of us would generally have an idea who the reliable sources around here are, but how does the new member know who to listen to?
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I'm not sure new members need to know who to listen to because if someone posts an incorrect answer they will soon be correct by a couple of other members with more knowledge and expertise in that area so it will be clear for the new members which is correct. I see this very often and it seems to work.
also a knowledgable member in one topic might be a newbie in another topic so how do you classify that in a general way?
I see no need to classify or categorise any members as long as all members get their problems solved and some fun is had by all
I'm a bit like tranquil. Although there are certainly new problems that come up everyday, most are old problems and I like to help people who PM me for answers (and thats alot!) to find what they need from the rich resource that is Esato. This will of course raise issues of the search but as I demonstrated again yesterday with a couple of tests I was given by scotsboyuk, the search works perfectly well
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Are newbies put off from becoming involved in Esato because of a perceived level of 'closed ranks' by older, more established members? Is there a feeling that older members only really want to post amongst themselves or that the opinions of newbies are not valued to the same degree as those of established members? In essence, do newbies see joining Esato as 'daunting' or a 'challenge' to become a 'regular member'?
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my response is no, I don't think this is so.
If there is such a mindset then it is possibly in the minds of the so called "older members" rather than the new members being put off and this is demonstrated by the number of new members we do get each day who do post and get problems solved.
edit: and I agree with tranquils last point. everyone seems to jump in when a new female member joins but perhaps that is to be somewhat expected in largely male orientated forum and its another shame that the balance is not more equal
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scotsboyuk
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@masseur
Having spoken with some newer members in my time here at Esato I have found that some would agree with your point, whilst others wouldn't. Some newbies are rather 'daunted' in that they see an established community that looks difficult to integrate into, some of the responses in this thread would seem to support that idea.
Having said that I don't think it is a major problem for newbies to integrate into the community. The reason I asked was because I was interested to see what newbies thought of this issue. Usualy when someone posts something about Esato itself it is mostly established members who participate in the discussion, I thought it might be interesting to hear from some newbies for a change. Unfortunately, there hasn't been quite the level of newbie response that I had hoped for.
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masseur
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perhaps now that you have mentioned this we might get more newer members replying here but I think its only natural for new members to hold back from giving such opinion on a site they have only recently joined and that has nothing to do with your original question.
I think Esato works much the same as real life.
Imagine yourself walking into a room of strangers. Sure some of us are very outgoing and will walk up and join in with any conversation and we see that here at Esato whereas many more others with get a feel for the room and decide what part they feel most comfortable with and then join in there. Again, this is what I see alot at Esato
for myself, I browsed esato for a couple of months on and off before actualy joining because I did feel it was a place I wanted to get involved with
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knight4led
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On 2004-12-14 17:56:10, masseur wrote:
Imagine yourself walking into a room of strangers. Sure some of us are very outgoing and will walk up and join in with any conversation and we see that here at Esato whereas many more others with get a feel for the room and decide what part they feel most comfortable with and then join in there. Again, this is what I see alot at Esato
for myself, I browsed esato for a couple of months on and off before actualy joining because I did feel it was a place I wanted to get involved with
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That is very much what happened to me. I lurked around for a while before signing up, and to be honest I signed up so I wouldn't get that annoying banner telling me to sign in to view images. Then after signing up I didn't post much because I didn't have much to say. Once I did start posting I felt that most everyone took me seriously and the integration was pretty easy.
There have been plenty of "veteran" members here who have been quite willing to help me either in threads or by PM. I think feeling integrated is just a matter of finding threads that interest you or threads that you have relvant information on. I've had my share of threads that nobody has responded to and quite a few thread killing posts, but that hasn't stopped me from posting in other threads or starting a thread when I have something to say.
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methylated_spirit
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@scotsboyuk: I wont name names, whats the point? You and i have spoken of this before, you know who im talking about, its no good trying to draw me on it 
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scotsboyuk
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Indeed, but I thought I would ask anyway.  As you well know I don't necessarily share your opinions, although I do agree with you to a certain extent.
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Vlammetje
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On 2004-12-14 17:33:19, tranquil wrote:
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Hardly worth winking imho, as I'm still fairly unimpressed with the way certain immature members behave 
because generally speaking, two sentiments still seem to 'overpower' everything else in the way women are generally viewed and treated:
1. no knowledge on phones or anything tech could possibly be present
2. WOW!!! Females!! let's get names phonenumbers pictures home addresses etc etc etc. Let's bombard them with PM's let's email them, anything for some attention. WHY??
Mind you, this is definitely not the case for ALL male members here, but i do find that to this day every post like 'girls don't appreciate tech and know nothing about it' usually find themselves with a great number of supporting posts along the same lines, justifying the assumption that most members here wouldn't know what to do with a woman who has an opinion on tech and/or phones. It's either that or a way of 'being popular with the guys'. 
After being here for almost 2 years, I can still be horribly disappointed on how certain members voice their (fairly limited) knowledge of the species 'woman' and the way certain (rather immature) people act when they know you're a female.
Then again it still gives me a chuckle when some of these members bite their tongues when they realise how silly they sound
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vanquish
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But then again, the longer you are here, the more you find out.
So they may, possibly.
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i have nothing against females with mobile phones
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scotsboyuk
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@Vlamm
That's a lot of big words for such a pretty lady!
(Just joshing, please don't hit me. )
I do agree with your point, female Esatonians do seem to receive something of a mixed reception. The vast majority of male Esatonians, being the vast majority of Esatonians, do, however, treat the women here with respect.
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Davo_169
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i just skimmed through the last 2 or 3 pages and this is waaay do deep and overwhelming for my feeble brain to proccess  
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Vlammetje
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do like i do: skip all the long posts by masseur and scots
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scotsboyuk
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@davo
You are relatively new to Esato; how do you feel that you have integrated into the community here?
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Davo_169
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@scots
ummm..
im not really sure aye,
i ask a question and 8 out 10 times i get a legitimate answer.
i get along pretty well with most members (or at least i hope i do) and i havent had any bad experiences on here yet.
so i supposed i have integrated pretty well.
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scotsboyuk
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@davo
Jolly good stuff. Always nice to see a good showing like that.
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