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Why is the Iphone More Relevant Than Others |
Bhavv
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I have personally heard several I phone users who have said that the device is crap and that they didnt like it, and yes, I do agree with them.
Anyway, I'll enjoy playing with my LG for another 6 months, after which if there is no progress towards a better browser, I will sell it and grab something like a nice 5 MP google phone, or even just the Samsung Omnia HD.
Unlike you like to believe, I am not tied down to my phones for 18 months like I Phone users are, because I can easilly buy a nice new sim Free phone. Yea you can do that with your I Phone, but good luck with your expensive I Phone exclusive tariffs.
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SloopJohnB
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Bhavv,
You must be a teenager but that's not an excuse for being immature. You can't say a phone is better then other just cos it suits your needs. LG arena may suit yours but it is a LESS capable device than the iPhone simply because is feature phone and not a smartphone. Perhaps you don't need or have never used a smartphone but that doesn't make lg arena any better. You can say the iPhone lacked basic functions but pretty much all of them I already use on 2.0 iPhone with jailbreak. The OS 3 will just make them even more powerful, more than my current 2.0 or your lg arena.
That is without considering the implementatin of features which are clearly superior in the iPhone and hving a feature poorly implemented is almost like having no function at all.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-04-01 12:45:53, Bhavv wrote:
Couldnt really care less about the browser on my Arena, I can at least plug it into my PC and connect to internet, and use VOIP, which by the way, your phone may support, but your operator doesnt.
So a shoddy browser is okay because you can VOIP? Use logic much? Sorry, but you're just reaching now. In another thread you described the Arena's browser as a "major problem". Earlier in this thread you claimed that various iPhone apps were redundant because you had such a great browser on your Arena, but now we're back to using Opera Mini on your T700, or carrying a laptop around with you whenever you want to browse on the go... doesn't really play so well, does it?
I also have a prepaid 3 sim card on order to add 6 months of internet use to my T700 to use in the meantime, Opera Mini is actually very decent.
So you're now maintaining another phone and service in addition to your Arena, in order to get the kind of small-screen mobile internet experience from 2005 that Safari on the iPhone knocks seven shades of Arena out of.
Yep, Apple sure have suckered me in with this here iPhone.
I see no reason why Mozilla Fennex wouldnt be given support for non WM or Symbian handsets, even if it isnt I can just sell my Arena on Ebay and upgrade to something else Sim Free, I have no problem with doing that.
Erm - you know that it's possible to sell an iPhone on Ebay too, right? That's a bit like saying your Nissan Micra is better than my Ferrari because you can always sell it and buy a Porsche.
You know why Mozilla Fennec (and it's Fennec BTW, not "Fennex") might not be given support for non-smartphone handsets like your Arena? Because they're not powerful enough, and they're not based on open platforms, that's why. Welcome to reality.
And you are still jumping to the conclusion that a brand new handset wont recieve any support for 18 months. The LG Arena has recieved well over 1 million pre orders, I doubt that Mozilla or Opera are going to be placing it on their ignore list.
That would be 1 million worldwide, right? Big deal! Mozilla (like most developers) writes code that can be used on many devices, not just one. It's possible that they might do a Java version, but don't expect it to be as powerful as the smartphone version they're writing for WM and Symbian, because that's just not possible - at best it will give Opera Mini a little competition, that's all. As for an Arena version - that's not possible unless LG provide the tools and marketplace to make it happen, and not economically viable for Mozilla either.
The only "support" you'll receive will be from LG. Will you get bugfixes? Maybe, maybe not. Will you get new features or improved performance from the browser etc..? Don't count on it. Unlike Apple, who are maintaining a profitable global eco-system, it's simply not in LG's business interests.
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Bhavv
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I'll take a shoddy browser anyday over a shoddy camera  .
Believe me, this phone is plenty powerful to support the same programs that a WM or S60 device can. I am willing to give it time to see if a better browser is released, as for the sim card with £30 credit which can be used on 6 months of internet, that was already on order before I even recieved my LG because I like to use my T700 still.
The internet browser does at least work. As for the selling on Ebay part, your the joker that thinks that being on contract means you get stuck with one phone for 18 months, not me.
My shoddy browser is ok because I can plug it into any computer and use Opera or Firefox. The last I checked, your exclusive I Phone only tariff doesnt buy you any modem use. Sorry, but I couldnt make do without my phone as a modem.
Using O2 for data is far worse then having an Arena on T Mobile.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-04-01 13:34:42, Bhavv wrote:
I'll take a shoddy browser anyday over a shoddy camera .
Sounding weak now, isn't it.
The thing is, there's nothing wrong with you putting the camera first, and there's nothing wrong with you having no interest in mobile internet, or Exchange support, or any of the vast array of advanced functionality available for a smart, open platform like the iPhone.
Take the Arena, or whatever shiny toy catches your eye next time. Save your money.
But try - just try - to understand that out here in the big wide grown-up world, there is a big and serious market for a device like the iPhone that actually delivers on all its promises, and is open to so much more on top, now and in the future. And it's here whether you like it or not
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Barachus
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On 2009-04-01 13:34:42, Bhavv wrote:
I'll take a shoddy browser anyday over a shoddy camera .
Believe me, this phone is plenty powerful to support the same programs that a WM or S60 device can. I am willing to give it time to see if a better browser is released, as for the sim card with £30 credit which can be used on 6 months of internet, that was already on order before I even recieved my LG because I like to use my T700 still.
The internet browser does at least work. As for the selling on Ebay part, your the joker that thinks that being on contract means you get stuck with one phone for 18 months, not me.
My shoddy browser is ok because I can plug it into any computer and use Opera or Firefox. The last I checked, your exclusive I Phone only tariff doesnt buy you any modem use. Sorry, but I couldnt make do without my phone as a modem.
Using O2 for data is far worse then having an Arena on T Mobile.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-04-01 12:47 ]
lol ...so the problem is not the phone anymore but the tarrif, network and 18month contract? how about ranting at the colour, seems like u have run out of ideas  |
Bhavv
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On 2009-04-01 14:01:32, NoKia wrote:
On 2009-04-01 13:34:42, Bhavv wrote:
I'll take a shoddy browser anyday over a shoddy camera .
Believe me, this phone is plenty powerful to support the same programs that a WM or S60 device can. I am willing to give it time to see if a better browser is released, as for the sim card with £30 credit which can be used on 6 months of internet, that was already on order before I even recieved my LG because I like to use my T700 still.
The internet browser does at least work. As for the selling on Ebay part, your the joker that thinks that being on contract means you get stuck with one phone for 18 months, not me.
My shoddy browser is ok because I can plug it into any computer and use Opera or Firefox. The last I checked, your exclusive I Phone only tariff doesnt buy you any modem use. Sorry, but I couldnt make do without my phone as a modem.
Using O2 for data is far worse then having an Arena on T Mobile.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-04-01 12:47 ]
lol ...so the problem is not the phone anymore but the tarrif, network and 18month contract? how about ranting at the colour, seems like u have run out of ideas
I have actually made it clear from when I started posting that O2 UK are not a good network for data use. If you actually care to read Boinngs posts as well, you will see that he is the one who bought 18 month contracts into the discussion, not me, yet you feel like joining your fellow I Phone fans side and ignoring his obvious childish behavior.
It is also funny how I get told that I am insulting others, but heres a pair of I Phone fans calling me a teenager for requiring a better handset then they do.
Defend your I Phone all you like, it still is not as good as you claim it to be and has far far many more shortcomings then the LG Arena does.
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Bhavv
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On 2009-04-01 13:52:35, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-04-01 13:34:42, Bhavv wrote:
I'll take a shoddy browser anyday over a shoddy camera .
Sounding weak now, isn't it.
The thing is, there's nothing wrong with you putting the camera first, and there's nothing wrong with you having no interest in mobile internet, or Exchange support, or any of the vast array of advanced functionality available for a smart, open platform like the iPhone.
Take the Arena, or whatever shiny toy catches your eye next time. Save your money.
But try - just try - to understand that out here in the big wide grown-up world, there is a big and serious market for a device like the iPhone that actually delivers on all its promises, and is open to so much more on top, now and in the future. And it's here whether you like it or not
America does not count as a big grown up world for mobile phones, and I could equally say that it is actually a childs phone thanks to all the downloadable games that you enjoy using.
I wonder why hardly anyone in Japan wants an I Phone if there is a worldwide market for it, I doubt it has even been successful anywhere else in asia, its market seems to be limited mainly to America, and a few countries in Europe.
The phone is a success in USA because it has no competition there. In the UK its marketting did help out quite a lot, and out of its million sales, I would believe that very many of those people bought the handset purely because it looked nice and is made by apple, and it is their first claim to owning a mobile internet capable device, no suprise since O2 never had much support for mobile internet before the I Phone. Most high end users I hear that have the phone also seem to use a blackberry, or similar device as well, I wonder why if the I Phone supposedly does everything?
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anonymuser
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On 2009-04-01 14:12:14, Bhavv wrote:
Believe me, this phone is plenty powerful to support the same programs that a WM or S60 device can. I am willing to give it time to see if a better browser is released
Do you honestly not understand that without a proper SDK and OS designed to support third party app development (not to mention a major committment by LG to maintain and develop that OS) there is not the slightest chance of the Arena ever supporting anything like a native Fennec release?
The internet browser does at least work. As for the selling on Ebay part, your the joker that thinks that being on contract means you get stuck with one phone for 18 months, not me.
And you're the joker who'd gets stuck with an 18 month contract without a decent phone to go with it. Chopping and changing through eBay is all very well, but every time you sell on a phone you lose some of its value, meaning every upgrade you give yourself during that 18mth contract term involves either (a) accepting a lesser, cheaper handset than the last, or (b) putting more of your own money in to make up the difference.
Wouldn't it be great if you just got a handset that was good enough in the first place, actually did what the marketing said it did (including browse really well, for example), and also gave you the opportunity to add to and expand that functionality all the way along the life of that contract.
If only such a phone existed.
My shoddy browser is ok because I can plug it into any computer and use Opera or Firefox. The last I checked, your exclusive I Phone only tariff doesnt buy you any modem use. Sorry, but I couldnt make do without my phone as a modem.
That's one shoddy argument. You don't need the browser on your Arena because you regularly carry a laptop in your pocket. That's what you bought the Arena for right, tethering to your laptop? Yes, I can totally see that.
It is also funny how I get told that I am insulting others, but heres a pair of I Phone fans calling me a teenager for requiring a better handset then they do.
You are actually a teenager though, aren't you? It's not an insult, it's just obvious from the very different priorities and interests you display in your posts. Perhaps the iPhone isn't a great phone for teenagers, but that doesn't make it irrelevant and it certainly doesn't make it inferior to the Arena, or any other feature phone.
America does not count as a big grown up world for mobile phones
If that makes some sort of sense to you, you go with it.
and I could equally say that it is actually a childs phone thanks to all the downloadable games that you enjoy using.
You can fill it with games or you can fill it enterprise apps, or engineering tools, or whatever - it can be a phone for everybody.
The phone is a success in USA because it has no competition there.
So LG don't sell phones in America?
In the UK its marketting did help out quite a lot, and out of its million sales, I would believe that very many of those people bought the handset purely because it looked nice and is made by apple, and it is their first claim to owning a mobile internet capable device, no suprise since O2 never had much support for mobile internet before the I Phone.
You know that O2 had numerous XDA phones before the iPhone, aren't you? In fact XDA was, and is, their own brand. XDA as in XDA-Developers, you've heard of them?
I don't really know why you're now trying to paint the UK as a backwards country that had never really seen a mobile phone before the iPhone. You're aware that the iPhone is no less than my fifth touchscreen mobile phone with internet access. Masseur, who's also pointed out the folly of some of your statements, is also in the UK and has no doubt owned more high-end phones than either of us can shake a stick at. I'm sure other "defenders" of the iPhone in this thread are in the same boat, being lectured to by someone whose last phone was a shiny silver T700.
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Bhavv
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http://www.digitgeek.com/top-5-iphone-3g-killers/
http://allgamesradio.ning.com[....]w?id=502933%3ABlogPost%3A74025
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-561021.html
http://www.jonmasters.org/blo[....]-why-apple-really-piss-me-off/
http://www.intomobile.com/200[....]-its-40-minute-battery-is.html
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
And you're the joker who'd gets stuck with an 18 month contract without a decent phone to go with it.
My LG Arena is a lot more decent then your I Phone is. I tried the browser again today and I am much more used to it and watching videos on youtube, viewing and posting on forums ETC. It just takes a little getting used to thats all.
Yea, nothing on my phone, browser included, is shoddy anymore. It just takes a day or two to adjust to using a touch screen, thats all.
Wouldn't it be great if you just got a handset that was good enough in the first place
Oh, gee, like, I need a phone with a 5 MP camera and VGA Video recording thanks? And one which copy pastes, and can use bluetooth, and send an MMS every now and again, The I Phone 3G does not actually do any of this *IN THE FIRST PLACE*, it was released last July without any of these features, and you get them this June lol.
Now, wouldnt it be great if you just got a handset that was good enough in the first place *WITHOUT REQUIRING JAILBREAKING* instead of a crap I Phone and having to wait a whole year for bluetooth and copy paste to work? 
You are actually a teenager though, aren't you?
Likely older then you, as the people who wrote all the above articles prbably are as well, but hey, I dont go around judging others.
So LG don't sell phones in America?
Nokia, and Sony Ericsson for sure have never succedded before the I Phone was released in America. They hardly had any phones of its qualities when it was released, there was no N95, not even a K800i available in the USA when the original I Phone was released. I'm not too sure about LG, but I dont think they made high end handsets back then. I wish you actually tried to your reading on different mobile markets around the world, but hey, I dont expect a teenager to know everything.
You know that O2 had numerous XDA phones before the iPhone
But they never had 3G support or any data tarrifs available untill the I Phone was released. Back then, only 3 and T Mobile had 90%+ 3G coverage in the UK with inclusive data tariffs, O2, Orange and Voda were very very late to the mobile internet market.
I don't really know why you're now trying to paint the UK as a backwards country that had never really seen a mobile phone before the iPhone
When did I do this? I was talking about the US market, not the UK. In the UK, we already have had far better and equally good handsets available when the I Phone was released, particularly the N95. The USA didnt have anything like N95 / K800i, no 3G support and the country was still widely using EDGE / GPRS, hence why the first I Phone didnt implement 3G support because it wasnt supported at the time in the USA.
All I said about the UK is that O2 arent as good for data Tariffs as T mobile are, which is 100% true, since I have had 3G, and gigabytes of inclusive data since I got my K800i several years ago, yet at that point, the only data that O2 offered was 1 Mb of browsing per day. O2's first data tariff came out with the I Phone, and their 3G service began improving after that to prepare for the I Phone 3G. But obviously, you yourself seem too young to know any of this.
I have been using Mobile Internet for far far longer then you have on your I hone. As a long time user of the technology, I wouldnt have touched the original I Phone with a mile long pole, and actually, the I Phone 3G only supports 3.6 Mbps HSDA, which I have already been nicely using for 18 months on my K850i and T700 phones. Now I also required 7.2 MBPS as an upgrade to my mobile internet, as well as minimums of 5 MP and VGA @ 30 FPS recording on my mobile.
And yea, now that I am used to the touch screen interface and browser on my LG Arena, I wont be needing to replace it at all.
So, my phone pretty much does everything and does it well and good right out of the box, without requiring Jailbreaking, an OS upgrade 12 months after release, or any apps to extend its functionality.
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se_dude
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Every touchscreen that comes up nowadays is touted as an iphone killer. Now why is that?? Why would people try to kill a shoddy phone with nothing productive to offer??.. and they havent succeeded yet. Speaks volumes |
skblakee
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I have got more pros and cons about the iPhone from this thread than I ever had since it came out in 2007.
You guys are funny.
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Bhavv
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On 2009-04-01 19:35:04, se_dude wrote:
Every touchscreen that comes up nowadays is touted as an iphone killer. Now why is that?? Why would people try to kill a shoddy phone with nothing productive to offer??.. and they havent succeeded yet. Speaks volumes
I never called any phone an I Phone killer, and LG / Nokia / Samsung / SE never called any of their phones I Phone killers either. This is just a BS term made up by the media and some fans, but really, I realise that the I Phone cannot be killed so long as people want an underspecified phone, and in the UK, on a poor network operator for mobile internet.
I will keep my LG Arena with 10 GB per month, 7.2 Mbps HSDPA, modem use and VOIP thanks, I will never be leaving for O2 who still do not offer this. |
se_love
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I also dont get the hype behind it? I walked into a Vodafone yesterday with a friend of mine and he had a question and another guy came up to me and asked can i help you? And I said no thanks i am looking at stuff while i wait for my friend. And he was all aha okay wanna check out the i-phone? I went to him no thanks cause its a phone with very low specs very overhyped and i consider it a piece of garbage that i will never lay my hands on. I was told to get out of the store because i said that. YAY for stupid i-followers. Oh and the responce i recieved at a store called germanos was even more funny. I bet you will love owning an I-Phone more then you will love owning a W705. And i told them man clearly and forward:
Of course i will love paying 300 more euros for a phone that works 5x lesser then mine. And again kicked out. What the hell is apple some kind of mind controller!? |
SloopJohnB
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I guess I'll have to repeat myself. Saying lg arena is better than the iPhone because you got a better plan on your current carrier is no real argument because this thread is about the iPhone as a phone. If your country have bad plans, blame it on the carriers not the iPhone or even apple.
Another mistake you make in your arguments is measuring the quality of a feature or the power of phone based on your personal use or preference. You have to be unbiased and generic when comparing things or even when making any logical argument otherwise your subjective ideas can't corrupt everything. If I was following your corrupted line of thought I could say for example that for me personally a digital camera is not relevant therefore lg arena is nothing more to me than a brick that makes calls. See my point? You need to learn " argumentation" and also a bit of logic.
There's no denying to the fact that since the iPhone is a smartphone with thousands of developers (official or not) constantly working on it, it's a more capable phone than lg arena. You can't use lg arena to help with business email, or studying or checking clinical info or doing complicated math or using spredsheets for your work or playing high quality games or etc etc etc. The iPhone is more capable because it was designed that way, lg arena wasn't. This is an unbiased, objective view of both phones and what they offer. People won't take you seriously if you continue arguing the way you do because is childish.
By the way, I'm not a teenager like you were insinuating, I'm 24y old, how about you?
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