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Why is the Iphone More Relevant Than Others |
skblakee
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Why is it that after two years the iphone remains a dominant mobile and outselling many established competitors such as  while other phones such as the omnia, N96, P1 quicly come and fade?
Why can't we just get similar type phones from other manufacturers whose style and relevancy can remain the way Apple seems to doing with the iPhone?
I mean I bought a P1 back in 2007 and now its more or less outdated in some ways whilst iPhones bought back then are still going strong or even with the 3G which seems will be around for some time.
I am done with so I am hoping that to buy the Samsung i8910 and hope that it remains relevant for some time to come.
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anonymuser
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It's easy to forget the level of innovation and quality actually present in the iPhone - two years on it still stands out as a remarkably well thought out and pleasing interface. But I think what's kept it "relevant" is Apple's careful maintenance of the brand - they didn't just knock out one model in 2007 and then replace it in 2008, they retrospectively updated all those original iPhone's with the same whizz-bang new features and now they're about to do the same thing in 2009, bringing the third version of the iPhone OS to every iPhone user old and new - so they've constantly built up the platform itself, keeping all their existing users happy and attracting new customers (and the all important new app developers) at the same time.
Compare it to the list of supposed "iphone killers" that have come and rapidly gone, and you see none of them have had anything like the same momentum behind them - they get announced, they have their five seconds of fame, they're launched, and then almost immediately their maker moves onto something else - there's little or no support for any eco-system, no real faith invested in the products themselves, the bugs barely get fixed let alone any new features added, and before long the next big thing appears on the horizon and that market of people who expressly don't want the iPhone just move onto that next thing that catches their eye.
With the iPhone there's a continuity of innovation, eco-system, and on-going support, that means even the oldest iPhone out there is still every bit as "relevant" as the next model to be launched in June.
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aquared29
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will wait for that iphone but still am an avid fan of
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Bonovox
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Apart from a cool UI the iphone is shite |
anonymuser
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On 2009-03-30 17:38:00, Bonovox wrote:
Apart from a cool UI the iphone is shite
I'd probably have agreed with you in 2007, but you couldn't be more wrong now.
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Bhavv
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On 2009-03-30 17:43:04, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-03-30 17:38:00, Bonovox wrote:
Apart from a cool UI the iphone is shite
I'd probably have agreed with you in 2007, but you couldn't be more wrong now.
But it only has a 2 MP camera, no video recording, no expandable memory / removable battery, no MMS, no copy paste, no adobe support ...
All it has is good looks and UI.
The reason why the I phone sold so many is because it is Apples only phone range, they have nothing else available, so apple fans buy an I phone and keep it. With other manufacturers, you have a lot more choice, you buy a phone, and then you upgrade. For the Iphone, and Iphone 3G, there is no upgrade except for the next I phone, which is why users dont replace them like handsets from other manufacturers.
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masseur
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well, alot of that is only relevant if you need it, and also alot of it is being adressed in the big 3.0 firmware coming soon
anything else on your list is easily added by jailbreaking
iphone is the phone I have owned the longest and used the most of any phones that I have owned in 23 years of mobile phone ownership... even after all this time, I just can't put it down
if blackberry is as addictive as it is, and its gets the nickname crackberry... perhaps we should come up with something similar for the iphone!
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Bhavv
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You cant put it down because there is nothing to upgrade to.
I put down my K800i after I got my K850i, which I put down after getting my T700, which I will put down after getting my LG Arena, which I will put down after getting an even better handset in 18 months time.
In all honesty, if you can make do with the features that the I phone is missing, then you could also very easilly make do with a cheaper handset from another manufacturer.
You will of course put down your current I phone when the next one is released right?
And how many people put down the Iphone for the Iphone 3G? Quite a lot I would imagine. |
anonymuser
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On 2009-03-30 17:48:00, Bhavv wrote:
But it only has a 2 MP camera, no video recording, no expandable memory / removable battery, no MMS, no copy paste, no adobe support ...
All it has is good looks and UI.
Of course you are quite right. My own iPhone only has live rail departure information, live traffic information, push email, calendar, contacts, tasks and notes with my work Exchange account, 30000 internet radio stations, inbuilt Twitter and Facebook, FTP, Bloomberg stock info and news, ebooks, a full Youtube client with high quality video (plus BBC iPlayer and assorted other video services), a Spreadsheet editor, a piano, slot racing, fishing, a desktop-class flight simulator, a TV guide, a Tube map, a spirit level, a free database of beers of the world, desktop quality browsing, Last FM, an iPod, finger drawing, password safe, blogging client, scientific calculator, text editor, movie listings and trailers for all my local cinemas, GPS mapping, Tetris, a unit converter, photos, weather, a dedicated wikipedia tool, chess, IM+ for instant messaging, voice-activated Google search, Shazam, and the best gaming or multimedia experience you'll find on virtually any handheld.
That's all it's got.
At the moment.
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Bhavv
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So???
My SE T700 also does most of that, and my LG Arena will do even more  .
So you use an I phone for basic features that can be found in most £150 handsets? How astonishing and revolutionary indeed.
Im also not limited to just being able to buy a phone from O2.
My K850i has 5 MP camera with flash, video recording, and 10 Gb per month internet use including HSDPA, Wifi, Modem use for my PC, and VOIP all included. If I cant get that on O2, why would I want to bother with an I phone?
TBH, all it needs is a better camera and also releasing on other networks, but I dont care, I get an even better phone soon.
Even if I want all the features an I phone has, all I have to do is buy a small laptop and plug in my T700, and I immediately have far better multimedia capabilities anywhere I go.
Oh, I can plug my cheap T700 into any computer and run WoW, Chess, IM, anything you want powered from my phone as a modem.
Cant do that on O2.
Yes, I can blog, use facebook, wikipedia, watch youtube, google maps, play chess, tetris and use a scientific calculator on my £150 T700. You dont see me running around claiming that I have the most revolutionary phone ever because it handles simple, basic tasks like those.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-03-30 17:57:06, Bhavv wrote:
You cant put it down because there is nothing to upgrade to.
Surely there's everything to upgrade to - after all the iPhone's only got a 2MP camera, no MMS etc, so virtually anything on the market is an upgrade, isn't it?
Or do you admit that there's something more to the iPhone than just the arbitrary specs you mention?
In all honesty, if you can make do with the features that the I phone is missing, then you could also very easilly make do with a cheaper handset from another manufacturer.
You're missing the point completely - the features the iPhone is missing are exactly those that you'd find on one of those cheaper handsets, but they're features that most iPhone users have chosen to sacrifice in return for all the unique benefits of the iPhone - which no cheaper handset could replace.
You will of course put down your current I phone when the next one is released right?
Some will if they're nearing the end of their contract, but don't forget that all iPhone users will be getting an upgrade in the form of OS3 - probably a much more significant improvement to our phones than the K850 was over your K800 for example, except we don't have to pay for it or take out a new contract. So no, it's not quite as simple as you're suggesting.
And how many people put down the Iphone for the Iphone 3G? Quite a lot I would imagine.
This thread is about the "iPhone" but we're both using that term to describe the current iPhone 3G and the previous original iPhone, right? Which pretty well sums up the point that the iPhone is something more than just the next model to be released, it's relevance (in the context of this thread) is down to the platform, userbase, and eco-system, not just the next shiny phone.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-03-30 18:11:56, Bhavv wrote:
My SE T700 also does most of that, and my LG Arena will do even more .
Excuse me while I doubt that
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Bhavv
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There is plenty to upgrade to from an Iphone that will carry out all of its tasks better, but of course, people who buy and use the I phone wouldnt be interested in WM devices, so there is no point in mentioning them.
You only have nothing to upgrade to because you are loyal to your brand, like when I had the K850i and wouldnt get an N95 instead because at the time I thought 'ewww, Nokia'.
But if I really wanted something like the Iphone during the duration of my last 18 months on contract, I would have much rather bought an X1 Xperia or HTC Touch Pro instead.
I just had to wait untill the end of my contract before being able to get such a phone, but oh wait, I get the LG Arena now which is far beyond what the Iphone is capable of.
And no, I couldnt ever be happy without copy and paste, expandable memory and a removable battery, anything without those is not revolutionary, but is a backward and out of date device. |
Bhavv
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On 2009-03-30 18:30:37, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-03-30 18:11:56, Bhavv wrote:
My SE T700 also does most of that, and my LG Arena will do even more .
Excuse me while I doubt that
Your choice to be ignorant then and refuse to realise that a basic £150 handset can do ALMOST everything the Iphone can, except for having a big shiny touch screen with a great UI.
<3 Opera mini <3.
You just need to know how to use your phone without having everything spoon fed to you by Apples download services.
The things I currently miss like flash and adobe and full youtube streaming (I have to slowly load videos one by one, but I can watch them, and use google maps and blogs too) will all be on the Arena.
And I am happy with internet use everyday on my T700, I never needed a deficient product like the I phone for my daily mobile internet use, nor would I ever consider leaving T mobile for O2 because mobile internet is too important to me to make such a ridiculous decision.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-03-30 18:36:51, Bhavv wrote:
There is plenty to upgrade to from an Iphone that will carry out all of its tasks better, but of course, people who buy and use the I phone wouldnt be interested in WM devices, so there is no point in mentioning them.
Your points really make little sense, it's like you're repeating arguments you've heard elsewhere without really understanding them. Why wouldn't "people who buy iPhones" be interested in WM devices? Because of some irrational prejudice? Because they're not "people who buy WM devices"?
Let me help you - there are two good reasons why I wouldn't "upgrade" to a Windows Mobile" device. Firstly, I'm satisfied with the iPhone and will be even more satisfied with the feature-complete OS3. Secondly, I used a WM device full time for a year before I got the iPhone, I know WM6.1 inside and out, and I can tell you categorically that neither the WM os or the eco-system and apps available for it are a patch on the iPhone experience. That will be doubly true when iPhone OS3 goes head to head with the pathetic WM6.5.
You only have nothing to upgrade to because you are loyal to your brand, like when I had the K850i and wouldnt get an N95 instead because at the time I thought 'ewww, Nokia'.
No, exactly the opposite situation, I've no interest in upgrading because I'm happy with the phone I have now. It's not prejudice against other brands or even a particular loyalty to Apple (the iPhone is the first and only Apple product I've owned) it's simply the knowledge, borne mostly from experience, that I'm using the best product out there. And it's fantastic.
But if I really wanted something like the Iphone during the duration of my last 18 months on contract, I would have much rather bought an X1 Xperia or HTC Touch Pro instead.
And you'd have ended up with one of two run of the mill Winmo phones that was nothing like the iPhone.
Just to get back on topic for a moment, you'll notice that this isn't a "why is the xperia x1 still so relevant" thread.
I just had to wait untill the end of my contract before being able to get such a phone, but oh wait, I get the LG Arena now which is far beyond what the Iphone is capable of.
I've no doubt that you've chosen the phone you deserve
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