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ramintop
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On 2008-06-18 16:23:52, mr_lou wrote:
Well... I've had the N82 for 1½ week now or so. I've bought a HS-44 + AD-44 headset to make it easy to start and stop the media player, just like I could on the W800 on the side of the phone.
I bought and installed A-SMS to get smileys in my SMS messages. I installed Y-browser + a plugin in order to be able to send JAR files via bluetooth to other phones.
In order to get more than 24 hour batterytime I turned UMTS off, turned down the brightness of the screen and keep bluetooth off as well. All those things makes the N82 usable, if we disregard the small keys. Yet I have to say it was a mistake getting it.
It's almost amusing how the manufacturer always manages to make some incredible stupid decision. Nokia has in all the Symbian S60v3 series (and probably more) decided that volume in music from Java games can't be turned down or up. So in other words, it's useless for Java games. That's not so lucky for me who happens to be a JavaME developer. I would have liked to know this before I bought it, coz then I wouldn't.
It's a mystery why Nokia would make such an amazingly lame decision in the first place, but even more strange that they never fixed it in later firmwares, because I have found a lot of posts from people complaining about this matter, and asking if it was fixed in new firmwares.
My Sony Ericsson W950 Symbian UIQ3 phone has no problems at all with controlling volume in Java games.
So now I'm back to looking at new models from Sony Ericsson again, and what do we have now? The C905...wee... And once again the manufacturer manages to make an incredible stupid decision: No VGA video recording.
And I'm still not impressed by the picture quality. I don't need 8mp blurry pictures that looks like they're painted with dull colors. I need 5mp sharp ones with great colors.
I do however think, that the C905 will be the overall best phone on the market, all things considered... My experience with Nokia S60v3 tells me that the Sony Ericsson UI is clearly the best. And the missing Java sound in S60v3 is simply a disaster!
So I guess I'll be selling my N82 again soon, and go back to hibernate. Someone wake me up when SE releases a C905 successor that has VGA recording.
lolololol so you didnt like the phone because you cant turn up the volume? wow! did you even look at the good things? best camera in the market, vga video recording, great sound quality, 3.5mm jack, gps, wifi, n-gage (f*** java games), all the great programs you can download in symbian (youtube has to be my favorite), tv-out, micro usb and many many more! you forgot all of this and hated the phone because you cant turn up the volume in java games???!!!! are you f***** kidding me? i bet you didnt even give it a chance because its a "nokia", so so sad!  i am SE fan as well, but you cant deny nokia are doing a damn good job these days, they are trying to be the best in everything, and it shows, best image quality, best sound quality, best build quality etc.
"It's almost amusing how the manufacturer always manages to make some incredible stupid decision." why does it have to be a decision? cant it be a mistake? they missed it maybe?
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mr_lou
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On 2008-06-18 19:19:03, ramintop wrote:
lolololol so you didnt like the phone because you cant turn up the volume? wow! did you even look at the good things? best camera in the market, vga video recording, great sound quality, 3.5mm jack, gps, wifi, n-gage (f*** java games), all the great programs you can download in symbian (youtube has to be my favorite), tv-out, micro usb and many many more! you forgot all of this and hated the phone because you cant turn up the volume in java games???!!!! are you f***** kidding me? i bet you didnt even give it a chance because its a "nokia", so so sad! i am SE fan as well, but you cant deny nokia are doing a damn good job these days, they are trying to be the best in everything, and it shows, best image quality, best sound quality, best build quality etc.
I promise you I've given it a chance, and I don't hate the N82. It's been customized to work just the way I like it. With the new headset I bought sound quality is nice (although I must admit I'm using part of a Sony Ericsson headset with it), and being able to control the mediaplayer with the headset buttons is very nice. Wouldn't say it's the best soundquality though.
VGA video recording will be the most missed feature. Someone ought to kick SE in their behinds to get things rolling.
Anyway, for people who's not into Java games, and who really wants a great camera or is already a Nokia user, I WILL recommend the N82 or another one from that family (probably the 6220 Classic though because of the buttons for SMS are better). But in my case I just happen to be a JavaME developer, so I need to be able to run Java games on my phone. It's as simple as that. Mostly our own games, but I also perform a lot of betatesting for fellow developers. So sound has to work properly.
If only it was possible to control volume in Java games I would stick with it despite the small keys and poor SMS features.
And yes, it might have been a mistake at first, but as I understand it Nokia has had plenty of time to fix it, and they haven't.
And no I can't get a whole lot of Symbian applications because Symbian is not backward compatible. Plain Java phones offer so much more than Symbian does, except speed you don't really need in most cases. There are a lot more applications and games available for Java, and frankly I think it's embarrassing that the high-end S60v3 devices can't do a simple task like this.
And btw, you don't need Symbian to view YouTube. |
ramintop
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On 2008-06-18 20:41:03, mr_lou wrote:
I promise you I've given it a chance, and I don't hate the N82. It's been customized to work just the way I like it. With the new headset I bought sound quality is nice (although I must admit I'm using part of a Sony Ericsson headset with it), and being able to control the mediaplayer with the headset buttons is very nice. Wouldn't say it's the best soundquality though.
VGA video recording will be the most missed feature. Someone ought to kick SE in their behinds to get things rolling.
Anyway, for people who's not into Java games, and who really wants a great camera or is already a Nokia user, I WILL recommend the N82 or another one from that family (probably the 6220 Classic though because of the buttons for SMS are better). But in my case I just happen to be a JavaME developer, so I need to be able to run Java games on my phone. It's as simple as that. Mostly our own games, but I also perform a lot of betatesting for fellow developers. So sound has to work properly.
If only it was possible to control volume in Java games I would stick with it despite the small keys and poor SMS features.
And yes, it might have been a mistake at first, but as I understand it Nokia has had plenty of time to fix it, and they haven't.
And no I can't get a whole lot of Symbian applications because Symbian is not backward compatible. Plain Java phones offer so much more than Symbian does, except speed you don't really need in most cases. There are a lot more applications and games available for Java, and frankly I think it's embarrassing that the high-end S60v3 devices can't do a simple task like this.
And btw, you don't need Symbian to view YouTube.
i didnt know about the java developer part, sorry about that. and i didnt say best sound quality in the n82, i meant best sound quality in nokia. the youtube in java phones is the mobile version, not all videos can be viewed. anyway there has to be someway you can raise the volume, you can ask people at AAS forums or whatever, they can help you there. 
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G-Izzat
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Lou,
there's a possibility that the retail version of the C905 might have VGA recording. If it is true, which I hope it is, then I guess this might be the perfect phone for you.  |
apolloa
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I think both your posts are stupid. How can you say the C905 has, grainy pictures. When you've only seen the ones on here? And even then the ones I've seen are fantastic, way better then anything else out there. As for VGA recording. Fair point. But the phone isn't out till the end of the year.
And to the reply about it being stupid about the volume control in Java games, the guy DID say he programmes Java games so i can see his point.
Just my opinion, you can carry on now. |
mr_lou
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On 2008-06-18 21:00:30, ramintop wrote:
anyway there has to be someway you can raise the volume, you can ask people at AAS forums or whatever, they can help you there.
I have already investigated, talking with a Symbian coder, writting Nokia and received a reply. In short there's no workaround for it. Only Nokia can change it in a new firmware, and I don't think they plan to do that.
On 2008-06-18 21:00:51, G-Izzat wrote:
there's a possibility that the retail version of the C905 might have VGA recording. If it is true, which I hope it is, then I guess this might be the perfect phone for you.
That would be sweet, but I don't believe it. From what I read in the C905 thread, Sony Ericsson has said they won't do it.
On 2008-06-18 21:01:13, apolloa wrote:
How can you say the C905 has, grainy pictures. When you've only seen the ones on here?
I guess it's a matter of taste. I can easily recognize pictures taken by Sony Ericsson mobiles. (Feel free to challenge me). They all have a certain artificial look in my opinion. I think it's been going downhill for SE on the camera area since the W800.
But you're right, I need to see more, and I won't say that I won't change my mind about the C905 - but I didn't change my mind about the K850 which has the exact same story and scenario so far.
The optimal solution for me seems to be rehab and loose the desire to get everything in one device, and then get a W890 + a small camera... |
apolloa
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Well if your that fussy about the camera then a compact is the only way to go as no mobile will match say a Canon Ixus for example. Bigger better optics and optical zoom see to that.
One day but no yet. IMO projectors are the next big thing??? WHY???? Is it really a case of, what can we possibly cram in our phones next no one wants? And that goes for all manufacturers. |
mr_lou
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On 2008-06-19 00:17:36, apolloa wrote:
Well if your that fussy about the camera then a compact is the only way to go as no mobile will match say a Canon Ixus for example. Bigger better optics and optical zoom see to that.
That's true, but I just think Nokia manages to produce better quality images in their N-series + VGA recording. It's about compromising. I can settle for the image and video quality Nokia can produce, if it means I don't have to drag along two devices wherever I go. I can't settle for the image quality and QVGA recording in SE's phones.
And Nokia N82 proved to have a number a flaws as well, which I can also live with as long as there are workarounds for them - which there are in most cases, except the Java sound issue + SMS features.
So the C905 and N82 are equally good to me. They both lack something I want, and they both offer tons of good stuff. So I can hope for two things
1) Nokia fixes the stupid Java sound issue in their next firmware. Not likely to happen.
2) SE wakes up and puts VGA recording into the C905 successor, and improves image quality to at least the same level as N82. Not likely to happen either.
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islandprd
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On 2008-06-19 07:52:40, mr_lou wrote:
except the Java sound issue + SMS features.
So the C905 and N82 are equally good to me. They both lack something I want, and they both offer tons of good stuff. So I can hope for two things
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Just to let you know that I agree with you
For me, I may buy C905 (if the final version's photo is acceptable) and not another Nseries because I want torch light plus xenon. I dont really care for video although vga is nice to have.
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mib1800
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@mr_lou:
If only it was possible to control volume in Java games I would stick with it despite the small keys and poor SMS features.
You dont like sms because of you can't insert smileys which will not display when received by phones other than SE.
And yes, it might have been a mistake at first, but as I understand it Nokia has had plenty of time to fix it, and they haven't.
I thought most games have option menu where you can set the volume like music or effect volume? Why you need to set it outside of the game really make no sense. 
btw: S60 has many volume setting unlike some phone which only has one global setting which is much less flexible. For example, S60 remembers volume setting for headset, speakerphone, music volume etc.
And no I can't get a whole lot of Symbian applications because Symbian is not backward compatible. Plain Java phones offer so much more than Symbian does, except speed you don't really need in most cases. There are a lot more applications and games available for Java, and frankly I think it's embarrassing that the high-end S60v3 devices can't do a simple task like this.
But most Java games/apps are either can't do much or just crap. I suggest you go to AAS or my-symbian to check out some the Symbian apps. No offence but you sounded so lost and silly when you say "Java phones offer so much more than Symbian".
And btw, you don't need Symbian to view YouTube.
You need Symbian if you want to view quality youtube not the crap you get from the Java ones.
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mr_lou
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On 2008-06-19 08:26:01, islandprd wrote:
Just to let you know that I agree with you
Thanks!
On 2008-06-19 08:47:56, mib1800 wrote:
You dont like sms because of you can't insert smileys which will not display when received by phones other than SE.
No, I can install A-SMS to solve that, and that's ok, though it's not a perfect solution and it presents new flaws. But the N82 has too small keys too closely placed, and the list of sent and received SMS's doesn't show date and time.
On 2008-06-19 08:47:56, mib1800 wrote:
I thought most games have option menu where you can set the volume like music or effect volume? Why you need to set it outside of the game really make no sense.
Well it makes sense for most other brands, and if you Google for it you will find many people complaining about it, so I guess it makes sense for them too. And no, you definitely cannot set volume in most Java games. Only newer Java games offer that, because there has never been a reason for implementing it.
On 2008-06-19 08:47:56, mib1800 wrote:
But most Java games/apps are either can't do much or just crap. I suggest you go to AAS or my-symbian to check out some the Symbian apps. No offence but you sounded so lost and silly when you say "Java phones offer so much more than Symbian".
I've been through the whole list of offered applications and games at my-symbian.com and I'm not impressed. The problem, as I've mentioned, is that Symbian isn't backwards compatible, so the list of applications and games for the N82 are far from impressive.
It also don't think it's funny to have to PAY for a simple timer or stopwatch, stuff that's included in all Sony Ericsson phones. So I found free Java versions for that.
Java phones DO offer so much more, partly because Java is backwards compatible and partly because there are more Java developers than Symbian developers. You cannot beat that despite your arguments that Symbian is a preemptive OS etc etc. We've had this discussion before. Java games/apps are no more crap than Symbian games/apps. It's the same kind of people who does them.
One advantage I expected from Symbian was the ability to run emulators such as Mame, CPC464, C64 etc. But they run slow and without sound, so what's the point?
Yes, Symbian has a few advantages, but hardly worth it for most users. Java offers more. The biggest advantage for me is that I've been able to setup my N82 so that it works somewhat like the Sony Ericsson UI that I'm used to, and if that's the biggest advantage, I think I'll stick with SE and their Java phones.
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@mr_lou
Symbian phones also run Java prog in addition to the Symbian ones. So I just dont understand how a Java phones can be better.
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On 2008-06-19 10:19:09, mib1800 wrote:
Symbian phones also run Java prog in addition to the Symbian ones. So I just dont understand how a Java phones can be better.
The main reason is that Symbian phones run Java apps incredible slow compared to a non-Symbian device. Same thing goes for WinCE. The two games we have developed has about the same speed on an old SE T610 as they have on my Nokia N82 and the HTC S710 WM6 I owned briefly (which also had sound-problems with Java stuff).
And the Java Virtual Machine in smartphones seems to be the most buggy and less compatible ones, meaning only about 30-40% of the Java stuff that otherwise runs nicely on the majority of phones, will run on smartphones. So you're left with Symbian stuff on your Symbian phone, except those 30-40% Java stuff.... and in the Symbian S60v3 case, also without usable sound.
So if you're judging Java based on your experience on running Java stuff from a Symbian device, then I'm beginning to understand why we disagree so much. |
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On 2008-06-19 10:19:09, mib1800 wrote:
@mr_lou
Symbian phones also run Java prog in addition to the Symbian ones. So I just dont understand how a Java phones can be better.
Well I can give you example with a P990 and W800... I had both of the phones and tested some java games on the both phones... Most of the games that were 3D or newer (latest:) ) games, didn't work on the P990 (tried flip closed and open - both) while they were perfectly working on the W800... So java phone can be better than a symbian one, but not at all points... Maybe symbian phones won't run java apps that smooth and fast as a java phone, but they have other advantages where the java phone is not that good...
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Again N82 disappoints me greatly when I found out I can't play music from a specific folder only. Instead it scans the whole phone and plays every file that can be played, which includes a whole bunch of stuff I do not want to play. That's ridiculous!
The "solution" is to make playlists, but that's stupid. I've already made my "playlist" by copying over the music I want to hear, and ordered it into folders. There shouldn't be any need creating playlists twice.
I will have to recommend people to stick with their Sony Ericsson phone, despite the stupid decisions Sony Ericsson makes. It just doesn't get any better than what Sony Ericsson offers. | |
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