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PeterKay
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Chapter 61 Verses 10-12 from the Glorious Quran states:
O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?
That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive your utmost in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew!
He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement.
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Kwiksta
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nice stuff...
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Kwiksta
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dunno about u guys who know arabic, but this was taken from the asian tsunami...
http://www.khantravel.nl/innovation/signs.html
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Well, it is Allah (god) who is the creator of mankind and to whom is the final return for us all. Signs like these are nothing new, for example many many mosques remained still during the tsunami disaster as the first part of signature below shows.
This page Here shows more of Allahs miracles.
"Verily in the heavens and the Earth are signs for those who believe"
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woah! ncie stuff man
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Chapter 52, Clarity:
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Understand the mother, and you understand the child;
Embrace the child, and you embrace the mother,
Who will not perish when you die.
Reserve your judgments and words
And you maintain your influence;
Speak your mind and take positions
And nothing will save you.
As observing detail is clarity,
So maintaining flexibility is strength;
Use the light but shed no light,
So that you do yourself no harm,But embrace clarity. |
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PeterKay
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On 2005-08-18 17:19:08, tempsonyfreak wrote:
woah! ncie stuff man
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It's nice cos it's the truth 
Verse 9 of Chapter 61 from the Glorious Quran states:
It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest it.
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Kwiksta
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btw, i am muslim! 
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Alhamdulilah 
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yep...
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PeterKay
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The Glorious Quran says in Verse 185 of Chapter 3:
"Every soul shall have A taste of death, And only on the Day Of Judgement shall you Be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved Far from the Fire And admitted to the Garden Will have attained The object of life. For the life of this world Is but goods and chattels Of deception."
Final justice will be meted out on the Day of Judgement. After a person dies, he will be resurrected on the Day of Judgement along with the rest of mankind. It is possible that a person receives part of his punishment in this world. The final reward and punishment will only be in the hereafter. God Almighty may not punish a robber or a rapist in this world but he will surely be held accountable on the Day of Judgement and will be punished in the hereafter i.e. life after death.
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PeterKay
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As an example if you read the holy Quran, the Holy Quran says in Surah Al Imran chapter number 3 verse number 49 "Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was sent as a messenger to the children of Israeli". That means according to the Holy Quran Prophet Jesus peace be upon him was only sent for the children of Israel.
And if you read the Bible a similar message is given. In the New testament in the Gospel of Matthew chapter number 10 verses 5-6 Jesus peace be upon him tells his 12 disciples "That go ye not into the way of the Gentiles". Who are the Gentiles? The non Jews the Hindus the Muslims. "Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles in to the house of the Samaritans you shall enter not but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israeli. And Jesus peace be upon him further says in the New testament in the gospel of Matthew chapter number 15 verse number 24 "That I have not been sent but as a messenger to the lost sheep of the Children of Israeli"
That means both the Quran and the bible say that Jesus peace be upon him was only sent for the children of Israeli.
But Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him according to the holy Quran in Surah Al Ahsab chapter 33 verse number 40 says that "Muhammad peace be upon him is not the father of any of you men but is a universal messenger and is the seal of the Prophets and God is all knowing and full of Knowledge"
The Glorious Quran says that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is the last and final messenger of God Almighty.
And the Quran says in Surah Al Umbeya chapter number 21 verse number verse 107 "That we have not sent Muhammad (pbuh) but as a mercy to the whole of humanity."
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@Peter: i'm afraid i have to disagree with you on a couple of points.
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On 2005-08-18 23:36:00, PeterKay wrote:
As an example if you read the holy Quran, the Holy Quran says in Surah Al Imran chapter number 3 verse number 49 "Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was sent as a messenger to the children of Israeli". That means according to the Holy Quran Prophet Jesus peace be upon him was only sent for the children of Israel. |
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taken literally that particular verse says that he was sent to the israelites, not that his message applied to them exclusively.
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| And if you read the Bible a similar message is given. In the New testament in the Gospel of Matthew chapter number 10 verses 5-6 Jesus peace be upon him tells his 12 disciples "That go ye not into the way of the Gentiles". Who are the Gentiles? The non Jews the Hindus the Muslims. "Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles in to the house of the Samaritans you shall enter not but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israeli. And Jesus peace be upon him further says in the New testament in the gospel of Matthew chapter number 15 verse number 24 "That I have not been sent but as a messenger to the lost sheep of the Children of Israeli"
That means both the Quran and the bible say that Jesus peace be upon him was only sent for the children of Israeli. |
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this is a gross misrepresentation of scripture. firstly, you can't include muslims with the gentiles from Mat 10:5-6 because they didn't exist until after the christian church was well and truly established, and gentile is not a christian concept (however, muslims could be considered gentiles from a judaic perspective).
secondly, and more importantly, both those verses as quoted ignore the context of the entire passage - and a good portion of the rest of the New Testament.
when read in context, both those passages from matthew are about the order in which things were to be done. jesus was sent to the israelites because they were the first of god's people, but he was also training the apostles to spread the "word" which meant starting them on the people and culture they understood best before moving on to the rest of the world.
Jesus later gave the Apostles the command to preach the gospel in all the world and to everyone without restriction. (Matt 28:19,20; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:8). this shows that Jesus' message is a universal one for all people.
additionally, there was a move to incorporate gentiles into the early ecclesia after the resurrection of Jesus (Acts 10). it came from a direct revelation from God (Acts 10:10-16) and was confirmed by a dispensation of the Holy Spirit sent by God (Acts 10:44-48). This shows the sanction of God for including the gentiles in the ecclesia, and if this is encouraged by God then the gospel must be a message for more than just the israelites.
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PeterKay
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@Gelfen, you do not need to agree with me as i am only stating facts from Holy scriptures
The Glorious Quran - Verse 72 from Chapter 5 states:
They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah, Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
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PeterKay
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Great Words from Almighty Allah, Chapter 3 Verses 59 and 60 state:
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
The Truth comes from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
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