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scotsboyuk
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@gelfen
I think it was more a feature of the early Church.
There are some ways 'around' it I believe.
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gelfen
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you may be right. there are a number of technicalities used, which may have been mentioned earlier in this thread.
for example, the bank will buy the house and sell it to you at a "higher price" - which you pay off in convenient monthly installments that miraculously work out to coincide with the going interest rate.
i think there's another one where you "rent" the property from the bank, and after 25 years they "give" it to you.
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amnesia
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yeah I mentioned that a few pages back.
You can't be technical with religion in my opinion.
I mean, it's not a contract, you can't find loopholes in it, because you're still doing something wrong.
Thats why I think Islamic Banks are stupid.
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scotsboyuk
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@amnesia
I would agree with you, whilst it is technicaly possible to work it like that it isn't living up to the spirit of of the rule.
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gelfen
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agreed. it's probably fair enough to maintain a payment structure which keeps pace with the market value, since the property will appreciate over 20 years or so, but i think the point of the "no interest" stipulation is so they don't make a profit. it's meant to be more in the nature of a favour.
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scotsboyuk
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I found this to be of interest and rather awe inspiring at the same time. On 11th June 1963 Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc set himself on fire and burned to death to protest the oppression of the Buddhist majority in Vietnam by the Catholic Diem regime.
David Halberstam, a reporter from the New York Times described the scene:
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I was to see that sight again, but once was enough. Flames were coming from a human being; his body was slowly withering and shriveling up, his head blackening and charring. In the air was the smell of burning human flesh; human beings burn surprisingly quickly. Behind me I could hear the sobbing of the Vietnamese who were now gathering. I was too shocked to cry, too confused to take notes or ask questions, too bewildered to even think…. As he burned he never moved a muscle, never uttered a sound, his outward composure in sharp contrast to the wailing people around him. |
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The full story, with pictures can be found here. Please note that the pictures are of a graphic nature and may shock some people.
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Just a quick answer to those who feel or think Islam teaches 'Forced Marriages', The Holy Quran mentions in verse 23 of chapter 4 whom a Muslim can marry and not marry.
Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who breastfeed you), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah (God) is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
What do other religions state regarding whom you can marry?
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scotsboyuk
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@PeterKay
Taoism has no set rules on marriage of that sort, Taoists would respect the laws of the country, in which they reside. Also Taoists believe in acting in accordance with nature so Taoists would observe the natural order of things e.g. you don't see many animals mating with their mothers!
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PeterKay
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What about other faiths?
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gelfen
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christianity pretty much covers the same ground. in the old testament there is a prohibition on interracial marriage. however, the new testament is pretty clear that a christian is free to marry another "true believer" irrespective of race.
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@peterkay and the others, you might be interested in reading this article about hinduism...a detailed one. Hinduism
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Chapter 23 Verses 12-16 from the Holy Quran state:
Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay);
Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
After that, at length ye will die
Again, on the Day of Judgment, will ye be raised up.
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PeterKay
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Verse 88 states:
Say "In Whose Hand is the sovereignty of everything (i.e. treasures of each and everything)? And He protects (all), while against Whom there is no protector, (i.e. if Allah saves anyone none can punish or harm him, and if Allah punishes or harms anyone none can save him), if you know."
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scotsboyuk
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Chapter 73 of the Tao Te Ching:
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It overcomes without competing,
answers without speaking a word,
arrives without being summoned,
accomplishes without a plan.
Its net covers the whole universe.
And though its meshes are wide,
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PeterKay
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Chapter 5 from The Holy Quran, verse 32 states:
If anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!
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