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Bhavv
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Sorry, but just because Dolby Mobile is optimised for mobile hardware, it doesnt mean it can work unless it is added into it, which in the case of the I Phone, it isnt.
The I Phone took 16 months to sell 1 Million units in the UK, the N95 sold that many in a single year. It still underperformed and didnt reach as large an audience as was expected.
And why exactly is having to wait untill june to get the basic features on a phone working a good thing?
They should have already been working from the release of the phone.
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Bhavv
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Food for thought -
If SE had never released the T610 (or nokia the equivalent model at the time), would phones today have integrated cameras?
Just because two phones are similar does not in any way imply that the latter could not have existed without the first.
But again, the only thing that you keep on bragging on about the I Phone is its apps - I couldnt care the slightest bit if no apps are ever released for my phone because I never use them. I looked through the apps that some people use on the I Phone and they are mostly junk. None of the apps you continuously mention in your defence of the I Phone matter to me in the slightest.
I have no regrets over buying the LG, but I would have plenty if I had wasted my money on an I Phone instead.
Basically from what I see here, your I Phone needs apps and a very late software update to give it the same functionality as not just LG, but just about everysingle SE, Nokia and HTC and everyone else. Any benefits that apps give you are just merely software, which I couldnt give a fudge about because I would have no need to fill up my storage with apps that I am never ever going to have a use for - my LG doesnt need apps or an OS update because it already does what it should right out of the box. You need your apps and updates to add features, and to compromise for what your phone lacks. You couldnt be happy with an I Phone without apps, and neither could I, but I am happy with the phones that I get without ever needing to use any apps.
Do continue enjoying your apps, but at the same time, you still have a weak, overpriced and underspecified phone.
You said somewhere that there were apps to help doctors with drug information or something. In case you didnt realise, mobile phone use is kind of like banned for all medical staff working in clinics and hospitals, so these apps are of no use to doctors. Also if I went to see a doctor and saw them using a mobile phone, I wouldnt really be as impressed as you might be.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-04-01 09:19:52, Bhavv wrote:
Sorry, but just because Dolby Mobile is optimised for mobile hardware, it doesnt mean it can work unless it is added into it, which in the case of the I Phone, it isnt.
But what gets "added in"? A big Dolby chip? Dolby speakers? No. Just an alternative set of software drivers that any manufacturer working with virtually any off-the-shelf sound chip could use, either in a new product or retrospectively. Oh, and that Dolby logo on the box of course (but that's not at all a marketing gimmick).
The I Phone took 16 months to sell 1 Million units in the UK, the N95 sold that many in a single year. It still underperformed and didnt reach as large an audience as was expected.
Considering that the original iPhone (unsurprisingly) only sold around 200,000 in the UK, that means the iPhone 3G's sold 800,000 in just 8 months (from it's June release to the end of February). O2 certainly don't agree that it "underperformed", in fact they attribute much of their considerable success in the UK last year to the iPhone - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fi[....]ts-sells-1m-Apple-iPhones.html
And why exactly is having to wait untill june to get the basic features on a phone working a good thing?
Why is your inability to extend the features of your phone a good thing? At the end of the day Apple are about the complete the existing iPhone's feature set, and then perhaps go well beyond it, while your Arena will be the same dumb phone in 18 months that came out of the box yesterday.
Food for thought -
If SE had never released the T610 (or nokia the equivalent model at the time), would phones today have integrated cameras?
Yes, because the networks demanded it. That innovation didn't come from SE or Nokia but from the network's pushing of MMS as a new revenue channel.
Although Apple obviously saw the virtue of a camera in the original iPhone, MMS wasn't an early priority for them, since they were concentrating on what their potential customers actually used rather than what pleased the networks.
Just because two phones are similar does not in any way imply that the latter could not have existed without the first.
I don't believe even you could pretend that the Arena doesn't borrow heavily from a number of unique iPhone design features. We're not talking about the ability to make calls over the mobile phone network, we're talking about the design of the icons, the layout of the menus, the animations, the touch gestures - all a cheap imitation of the real thing.
Basically from what I see here, your I Phone needs apps and a very late software update to give it the same functionality as not just LG, but just about everysingle SE, Nokia and HTC and everyone else. Any benefits that apps give you are just merely software, which I couldnt give a fudge about because I would have no need to fill up my storage with apps that I am never ever going to have a use for - my LG doesnt need apps or an OS update because it already does what it should right out of the box. You need your apps and updates to add features, and to compromise for what your phone lacks. You couldnt be happy with an I Phone without apps, and neither could I, but I am happy with the phones that I get without ever needing to use any apps.
How's the browser in your Arena, as perfect as it could be is it? In no need of any update? Replaces all those dedicated internet-connected apps on the iPhone, right? Just like using your PC, is it?
Never mind, I'm sure you can make do with Opera Mini for another 18 months.
You said somewhere that there were apps to help doctors with drug information or something. In case you didnt realise, mobile phone use is kind of like banned for all medical staff working in clinics and hospitals, so these apps are of no use to doctors. Also if I went to see a doctor and saw them using a mobile phone, I wouldnt really be as impressed as you might be.
Actually I didn't say anything about that at all, that was someone else's post, but it doesn't matter. All you're doing here is putting your ignorance on record once again. Of course the medical community use apps like these on mobile devices, they're not at all unique to the iPhone but have been popular on Windows Mobile for years and Palm devices before that, the iPhone's just the latest and best platform for it - and yes, doctors (and some patients, and carers) are buying and using those apps in hospitals, GP practices, medical schools, and everywhere else they're needed. One of them might even save your life one day. The fact that you're busily trying to deny realities like this just demonstrates why you're not exactly best placed to be telling adults how irrelevant the iPhone is.
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Bhavv
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With the dolby features I am pretty certain that they obviously require a chip to process the audio. A conventional processor without the dolby hardware could not output the same audio, if it could then just why arent other manufacturers adding support for it? It is not a marketting gimmick at all when my phone actually sounds a lot better then any other I have ever owned.
I cant extend the features of my phone because the features are are already perfect and working as they should be out of the box. It is still a far better functioning device on release then the I Phone has been throughout its existence up untill whenever the OS3 update is released.
The browser may not be perfect, but do yourself a favor and google for Mozilla Fennex. Once it gets released I really couldnt care less about the inbuilt browser, at least the hardware that I paid for does exactly what it shoulde out of the box, rather then having to wait over a year for an OS update to make it work.
I dont understand why I Phone users are so proud about a software update that will bring basic functions like MMS and Bluetooth to your handset, I firmly believe this crap to be much more major marketing bull s... then a phone which support dolby mobile.
The LG Arena is marketed as a multimedia device for music and movie playback, dolby mobile greatly improves both these areas - if it sounds vastly better then any SE Walkman handset does, then I strongly doubt that this is just a software change, my ears are definately telling me that my phone has superior audio processing and better speakers then any other phone I have ever used.
Phones only need software updates if there is something wrong with them and if they arent working right, theres a big hint as to why your rubbish I Phone is in need of its OS update something like a year after its initial release just to add MMS, blue tooth and copy paste. Wow, your so happy about updating your I Phone to work a little bit more like any normal phone does out of box, I kind of feel sorry for you.
You are obviously having to overcompensate and rely on software upgrades and apps because your phone has so many problems with its functions.
Even funnier that you critisize my phones for having to use opera mini for 18 months, but wait, the I Phone couldnt even copy paste or transfer data to and from a PC over bluetooth for just as long.
Pathetic I Phone defense, really.
In the time it took the I Phone to get OS3, Ive already been through 3 handsets with the features that OS3 is going to give your I Phone. I also paid a lot less for the combined price of my K850i, T700, and LG Arena then you will have done on your IPhone, plus I get to sell my K850i and make some money back.
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SloopJohnB
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I'm currently on my last year of med school and I use epocrates for studying and checking just like med calculator, anatomy apps, med dictionary and etc. There's nothing wrong with that as many of my friends or professors use old palms, winmo phones, etc. for the same thing. |
Barachus
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the Iphone must be doing something right if ppl that dont even own one get soo emotional and start to drop personal insults into their posts about why they dont like it
no other phone has ever attracted such amount of hatred from ppl who have never even owned one and such love from its users, that in itself is proof of how relevant it is  |
Bhavv
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On 2009-04-01 11:56:55, NoKia wrote:
the Iphone must be doing something right if ppl that dont even own one get soo emotional and start to drop personal insults into their posts about why they dont like it
no other phone has ever attracted such amount of hatred from ppl who have never even owned one and such love from its users, that in itself is proof of how relevant it is
Its called marketting.
'Revolutionary device, Phone, Ipod, and Mobile Internet Device'
I.E, it makes calls, plays MP3s, and has a browser.
No other phone has ever been as overpriced, under specified, nor locked to only one network with a voided warranty if you unlock it. These are the reasons why people hate the I Phone.
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On 2009-04-01 05:46:03, yea g wrote:
Better change the thread name to "Epic flame war. Round 1: iPhone users vs iPhone haterz"
Indeed, same old, same old from the usual suspects i see 
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SloopJohnB
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What you are not seeing is that the software updates not only bring expected functions or basic ones but they also add completely new features like: app store, exchange support, very rich bluetooth capabilities between iPhones and accessories and etc. These aren't things that were missing, they are new things, added for free. This is a much better solution than having a limited OS that gets old with time. |
Barachus
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On 2009-04-01 12:00:34, Bhavv wrote:
On 2009-04-01 11:56:55, NoKia wrote:
the Iphone must be doing something right if ppl that dont even own one get soo emotional and start to drop personal insults into their posts about why they dont like it
no other phone has ever attracted such amount of hatred from ppl who have never even owned one and such love from its users, that in itself is proof of how relevant it is
Its called marketting.
'Revolutionary device, Phone, Ipod, and Mobile Internet Device'
I.E, it makes calls, plays MP3s, and has a browser.
No other phone has ever been as overpriced, under specified, nor locked to only one network with a voided warranty if you unlock it. These are the reasons why people hate the I Phone.
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still not enough to cause me to go ranting and raving about it and insulting people
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Bhavv
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On 2009-04-01 12:05:06, SloopJohnB wrote:
What you are not seeing is that the software updates not only bring expected functions or basic ones but they also add completely new features like: app store, exchange support, very rich bluetooth capabilities between iPhones and accessories and etc. These aren't things that were missing, they are new things, added for free. This is a much better solution than having a limited OS that gets old with time.
I obviously cannot see the point of these updates because my bluetooth already works (Im easilly transferring data between 3 different branded devices - my T700, LG Arena and PC, go go already fully functional bluetooth right out of the box).
I cannot see the benefits of an app store because I dont need apps to repeat myself yet again - my phone works, doesnt need anything adding to it, with the exception of a better browser, and I have no need to ever spend money on games and application for my phone.
Software updates and apps are only beneficial on the I Phone because the phone is so deficient, lacking in features, and doesnt do what it should out of the box.
I cannot ever see the benefit of downgrading my phone to an I Phone, and relying on an update which has taken over 12 months since the I Phones release, and using apps to cover up my phones weaknesses. I have a phone, I have a camera, it calls, sends texts, and has the internet. My wait for a good touch screen browser will be a lot shorter then your wait for OS3, I really dont mind using Opera Mini untill then.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-04-01 11:45:38, Bhavv wrote:
With the dolby features I am pretty certain that they obviously require a chip to process the audio. A conventional processor without the dolby hardware could not output the same audio, if it could then just why arent other manufacturers adding support for it?
Because it costs money to license the "technology" from Dolby, obviously. Dolby are a big name, they used to make all their money from plastering their logo onto tape decks and muffling the treble to reduce tape hiss, these days they're trying to sell their brand to mobile companies who are quite capable of programming their own DSPs, it's all about selling that little Double-D on the box.
I cant extend the features of my phone because the features are are already perfect and working as they should be out of the box.
Which almost makes sense until you say...
The browser may not be perfect,
Oh dear. And how long have you had the phone before noticing this niggle? A day?
On day 2 of ownership you realise you need an essential new app. Doesn't bode well, does it?
but do yourself a favor and google for Mozilla Fennex. Once it gets released I really couldnt care less about the inbuilt browser, at least the hardware that I paid for does exactly what it shoulde out of the box, rather then having to wait over a year for an OS update to make it work.
So let's just get this right - the Arena is perfect and doesn't need any extra apps or updates, except for Mozilla Fennec which you're waiting for. Only it isn't out yet. And you don't know when it will be out. And actually, as far as I can see (do please correct me if I'm wrong) there's no certainty that it will be available for the Arena at all, is there?
Is there going to be a Java version of Fennec? I can't find any suggestion of that. Windows Mobile, Symbian, other smartphone platforms, but Java? Perhaps you can point me to the article on that. But hell, it doesn't matter anyway, because you don't download apps anyway, do you? You've been very clear on that...
I dont understand why I Phone users are so proud about a software update that will bring basic functions like MMS and Bluetooth to your handset, I firmly believe this crap to be much more major marketing bull s... then a phone which support dolby mobile.
A feature is a feature is a feature, I bought the iPhone based on the clear knowledge and understanding that it didn't have copy and paste or MMS, and now it's going to get those things (and much more) in just a couple of months. Where's the marketing involved?
The LG Arena is marketed as a multimedia device for music and movie playback, dolby mobile greatly improves both these areas - if it sounds vastly better then any SE Walkman handset does, then I strongly doubt that this is just a software change, my ears are definately telling me that my phone has superior audio processing and better speakers then any other phone I have ever used.
I'm sure it's just fine, and it's certainly no surprise that it sounds better than a Walkman handset, but I've absolutely no problem with the audio processing in my iPhone, unsurprisingly. Apple do have a bit of experience in that area too.
Phones only need software updates if there is something wrong with them and if they arent working right,
Like your Arena?
theres a big hint as to why your rubbish I Phone is in need of its OS update something like a year after its initial release just to add MMS, blue tooth and copy paste. Wow, your so happy about updating your I Phone to work a little bit more like any normal phone does out of box, I kind of feel sorry for you.
Sorry for me? Hmm. I already have all the features and functionality that I expected from the phone when I bought it (all of which worked perfectly), I've been able to extend those features and functions with any number of useful apps to perfectly match my needs, and now I'm going to get a whole load of additional functionality and improvements for free. Yep, it's a sad case.
You are obviously having to overcompensate and rely on software upgrades and apps because your phone has so many problems with its functions.
Problems. Hmm. I'm guessing you're referring to bugs, but the thing is, there haven't really been any of those since the 2.1 update months ago. Everything just works really well. Know what I mean?
Even funnier that you critisize my phones for having to use opera mini for 18 months, but wait, the I Phone couldnt even copy paste or transfer data to and from a PC over bluetooth for just as long.
But yet it had all the functions it claimed to have when I bought it, they all worked really well, and they've all been improved and added to since I bought the phone.
How's that browser on your Arena again?
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Bhavv
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On 2009-04-01 12:08:18, NoKia wrote:
On 2009-04-01 12:00:34, Bhavv wrote:
On 2009-04-01 11:56:55, NoKia wrote:
the Iphone must be doing something right if ppl that dont even own one get soo emotional and start to drop personal insults into their posts about why they dont like it
no other phone has ever attracted such amount of hatred from ppl who have never even owned one and such love from its users, that in itself is proof of how relevant it is
Its called marketting.
'Revolutionary device, Phone, Ipod, and Mobile Internet Device'
I.E, it makes calls, plays MP3s, and has a browser.
No other phone has ever been as overpriced, under specified, nor locked to only one network with a voided warranty if you unlock it. These are the reasons why people hate the I Phone.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-04-01 11:03 ]
still not enough to cause me to go ranting and raving about it and insulting people
Oh, but plenty of people do just that, in fact, the opposite way around - I Phone fans praise and claim their device to be the best thing since sliced bread, attack other handsets and people who disagree with their opinion, and find every lame excuse to defend their precious I Phone as though they are married to it.
See the number of complaints about the LG Arena coming from I Phone fans about it being a copy. I really couldnt care if it is a copy, they did something that apple couldnt and actually made it a high quality camera and multimedia phone.
There is nothing relevant about the I Phone, nor is there any need for fans to make I Phone praising threads like these.
You like your apps, ok we get that. You like waiting for an update which is taking 12 months to add full bluetooth and copy paste to your phone, good for you.
Now stop worshipping your phone and apple, and live with the fact that you have fallen for every bit of marketting thrown at you for being able to defend a poorly specified product with words which apple have continuously advertised to you (Revolutionary phone = best thing ever, app store = omg wonderful, same phone, new software = wow! Im upgrading my phone to have bluetooth, mms and copy paste!). |
Bhavv
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Couldnt really care less about the browser on my Arena, I can at least plug it into my PC and connect to internet, and use VOIP, which by the way, your phone may support, but your operator doesnt.
I also have a prepaid 3 sim card on order to add 6 months of internet use to my T700 to use in the meantime, Opera Mini is actually very decent.
I see no reason why Mozilla Fennex wouldnt be given support for non WM or Symbian handsets, even if it isnt I can just sell my Arena on Ebay and upgrade to something else Sim Free, I have no problem with doing that.
At least I dont need to pay to own a seperate camera.
And you are still jumping to the conclusion that a brand new handset wont recieve any support for 18 months. The LG Arena has recieved well over 1 million pre orders, I doubt that Mozilla or Opera are going to be placing it on their ignore list.
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Barachus
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On 2009-04-01 12:37:11, Bhavv wrote:
On 2009-04-01 12:08:18, NoKia wrote:
On 2009-04-01 12:00:34, Bhavv wrote:
On 2009-04-01 11:56:55, NoKia wrote:
the Iphone must be doing something right if ppl that dont even own one get soo emotional and start to drop personal insults into their posts about why they dont like it
no other phone has ever attracted such amount of hatred from ppl who have never even owned one and such love from its users, that in itself is proof of how relevant it is
Its called marketting.
'Revolutionary device, Phone, Ipod, and Mobile Internet Device'
I.E, it makes calls, plays MP3s, and has a browser.
No other phone has ever been as overpriced, under specified, nor locked to only one network with a voided warranty if you unlock it. These are the reasons why people hate the I Phone.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-04-01 11:03 ]
still not enough to cause me to go ranting and raving about it and insulting people
Oh, but plenty of people do just that, in fact, the opposite way around - I Phone fans praise and claim their device to be the best thing since sliced bread, attack other handsets and people who disagree with their opinion, and find every lame excuse to defend their precious I Phone as though they are married to it.
See the number of complaints about the LG Arena coming from I Phone fans about it being a copy. I really couldnt care if it is a copy, they did something that apple couldnt and actually made it a high quality camera and multimedia phone.
There is nothing relevant about the I Phone, nor is there any need for fans to make I Phone praising threads like these.
You like your apps, ok we get that. You like waiting for an update which is taking 12 months to add full bluetooth and copy paste to your phone, good for you.
Now stop worshipping your phone and apple, and live with the fact that you have fallen for every bit of marketting thrown at you for being able to defend a poorly specified product with words which apple have continuously advertised to you (Revolutionary phone = best thing ever, app store = omg wonderful, same phone, new software = wow! Im upgrading my phone to have bluetooth, mms and copy paste!).
dont you think that maybe, just maybe the iphone is just as good as the user claim it is? if they(the users) say it is great, and you (who doesnt even have one) say it is crap, who has the most informed opinion?
btw, MMS, copy and paste has always been available to jailbreakers, bluetooth file transfer is also available to them
i had an LG Viewty for over a year, so i know how good these supposed 5MP cameras are, so the 2mp might be crap, but the 5mp LG isnt really that great a leap in performance, i would rather carry a camera than rely on either for any serious picture | |
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