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blerk
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Posted: 2009-03-03 23:03
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I'm not cranky at all It is just a tad bit silly to throw things back and forth as if they were facts whilst ignoring other peoples points or building up your statements.

That some of us like to reply argumentum ad hominem style, like comparing me to an insect when I'm just making a little observation on how people discuss in this topic is a bit silly, but it happens quite often in any discussion, unfortunately

And of course this is the internet; one'e carefully selected arguments may well be ignored by someone else
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NightBlade
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Posted: 2009-03-04 00:30
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On 2009-03-03 20:57:26, Brightspark wrote:
-nokia designs are far more variable

Spot 5 differences:
gtr83
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Posted: 2009-03-04 00:43
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To each of us his own. For instance, even though Brightspark, Boinng and some others have carefully listed their points, I still think the only worthy Nokia is the N82. Only the Black one, too, at that. Some people think that Nokia is designed better, but not in my eyes. Does that mean I suffer from an eye condition? To me, Nokia makes more clones than SE or any other manufacturer for that matter.

Heh, call me a fanboy!
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Brightspark
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Posted: 2009-03-04 00:51
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On 2009-03-04 00:30:53, NightBlade wrote:

On 2009-03-03 20:57:26, Brightspark wrote:
-nokia designs are far more variable

Spot 5 differences:



how convenient that you scoured the entire range just to find 6 that look alike. if you look at their ENTIRE RANGE, you will see that they have considerably more variabily than the entire range by SE.

shall we do the same with SEs range? look at their entire range here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson-phones-19.php
if you can't see that within the form factors that one SE is just a carbon copy of all others with either the colour changed or the shape of the buttons changed, then you need to book an appointment with an optician now.
-look at the overall dimensions -they are ALL the same blocky squarish ugly design
-look at the buttons used ON EVERY SINGLE SE - they have used about 4 or 5 templates for their entire range
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-03-03 23:55 ]
NightBlade
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Posted: 2009-03-04 00:57
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I recently went for an eye check and my sight is still better than that of most of the population. Oh, and changing the button shape and layout, body shape, accents, materials and colours does technically change the whole design.

And, my dear friend, those are 7 phones.
Nokia's most recent high-enders (excluding the navigator up to a point).
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2009-03-03 23:58 ]
Brightspark
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Posted: 2009-03-04 01:45
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On 2009-03-04 00:57:48, NightBlade wrote:
I recently went for an eye check and my sight is still better than that of most of the population. Oh, and changing the button shape and layout, body shape, accents, materials and colours does technically change the whole design.

And, my dear friend, those are 7 phones.
Nokia's most recent high-enders (excluding the navigator up to a point).
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2009-03-03 23:58 ]


by that reasoning, all those 6(visible models) are all different. you need to go back to your optician for a second opinion. failing that, your doc may be interesting in why you are seeing differences that don't exist.
Paul in LA
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Posted: 2009-03-04 02:20
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Regardless that N85 ranks up there with the S500i in lousy attempt at plastic construction. The difference imo is the N85 is supposed to a "high" end phone. It was arguably the poorest constructed phone I have ever owned. And given the amount of complaints on other sites, I'm not alone in that opinion. That said the Nokia E71 is arguably the best all around phone I have ever owned. I can think of several SE phones that I felt were well put together - the T650i and the K790a. Yes the later model had joystick complaints (never had the issue with the two I owned).
NightBlade
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Posted: 2009-03-04 08:41
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On 2009-03-04 01:45:28, Brightspark wrote:
by that reasoning, all those 6(visible models) are all different. you need to go back to your optician for a second opinion. failing that, your doc may be interesting in why you are seeing differences that don't exist.


Those are 7 DIFFERENT phones. N85, N81, N96, N86, N78, N82 and the Navigator

I stitched those images together. I should know.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2009-03-04 07:52 ]
yea g
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Posted: 2009-03-04 09:01
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Lets see my version (just to see if its possible to do what nightblade did with the nokias) And thats the best I could do. If you can do better then I would like to know

[ This Message was edited by: yea g on 2009-03-04 08:03 ]
plankgatan
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Posted: 2009-03-04 09:15
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On 2009-03-04 00:30:53, NightBlade wrote:

On 2009-03-03 20:57:26, Brightspark wrote:
-nokia designs are far more variable

Spot 5 differences:




he he he......you damn right. all this Nokias looks nearly the same. (so much for creative design)
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2009-03-04 08:24 ]
driftmania
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Posted: 2009-03-04 09:22
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On 2009-03-03 16:31:11, hyperken wrote:
I like all-in-one device concept, uiq symbian platform, touch screen, camera quality, music quality, design, usability and etc...




All-in-one device concept my ass, hasn't happened since W900i, UIQ long gone, barely any touchscreen phones, camera quality average, Walkman's only a brand name, design philosophy same for sliders and candybars, usability limited.
Funny how people say their SE's are moddable, but S60's are too.


On 2009-03-04 00:30:53, NightBlade wrote:

On 2009-03-03 20:57:26, Brightspark wrote:
-nokia designs are far more variable

Spot 5 differences:




I can find one similarity, they're all better than what SE offers.
plankgatan
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Posted: 2009-03-04 09:26
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Spot 5 differences:










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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2009-03-04 08:37 ]
driftmania
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Posted: 2009-03-04 09:36
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Nokia designs similar?





plankgatan
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Posted: 2009-03-04 09:41
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i nearly choke myself to death when i saw this ugly creations..

the ONLY phone who have some kind of taste is the Tube, (the rest looks just pathetics)
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2009-03-04 08:47 ]
goldenface
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Posted: 2009-03-04 10:17
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This discussion is becoming farcical, but very funny nevertheless.

The current argument could be applied to any manufacturer.

Don't most Blackberries not look like Blackberries? Do Samsung's sliders not mostly look like Samsung sliders?

I think all or most manufacturers are guilty of 'copy and paste' and I think it is because they all have, for the most part, a similar feature set and like to imprint their own 'style' on their designs.

Plus, there is nothing wrong with using a formula that works; one could argue that SE should never have tried to replicate the success of the K800i for it will be guilty of 'copy an paste'. But then there would be no other 3G candybars in the in Cyber-Shot range, like the C510, thus leaving a gap in its portfolio.

I wouldn't say 'copy and paste' is exclusive to SE, just because someone mentioned it in a article once.

Just my tuppence'rth.


[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-03-04 14:16 ]
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