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It is slow!!! How can't you understand that!? Why do you need 5xx MHz to run it instead 200 MHz in normal Symbian phone?! So you can't understand the difference between 500 and 200??? And what has WM more to make it so slow? Nothing. This just show usthat WM isn't good made OS.
EDIT: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080924/tc_nm/us_sonyericsson
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But what the f%& does it matter if it's got a 500MHz anyway?
It's only slow if it doesn't get what it needs. In practice most WM devices are no slower than any other phone on the market. The UI is prompt and they perform tasks at comparable speeds to any other handset.
If you wanna argue the virtues of different OS's on comparable hardware fine, but don't bring up this old mythology about PPC being a slow and clunky OS. That is THE PAST and should be left in the past where it belongs.
It may not be as efficient as s60, but it's also not as proprietary. Open up s60 to the same kind of open slather development as WM and watch how fast it will fall to it's knees.
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But sometimes the price is important!
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High end Nokia's, without even a touchscreen are comparable prices to high end WM devices.
Hell, I bought a Samsung i780, 128MB RAM, 256MB ROM, 320x320 screen, a fast and efficient handset, wifi, hsdpa, for 700 AUD. Nokia N95 8GB goes for about 1200 AUD. All it has better than the Samsung is a decent camera (plus it has no expansion and no touchscreen). I added an 8GB micor sdhc card to the samsung for $60 and I'm still way in front.
tbh it's cheaper to get a spec'd up WM device than it is an s60.
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as long as your in front eh. . . Dear oh dear. Lol...still waiting for se to show me something i like..upgrading my n82, and i did give the xperia a glance, but, it runs windows, so thats a no for me..looks like it'll be another nokia. |
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@Max,
S60 has plenty of support from Nokia and lots of free apps continuing to be developed and released for users. Both from Nokia themselves and developers, maybe you should take a look at what Nokia Beta Labs is up to before suggesting Nokia is doing nothing but resting on it's laurels. Plus of course remembering the newly formed Symbian Foundation and of course S60 5th edition just launching now with TS options for their users so increasing the choice of the type of device they can have. Not of course forgetting that despite what you and many others feel that a TS is a must not all users feel the same me being one of them.
Symbian and S60 are still not really in any real danger of losing their market share lead anytime soon and the formation of the Symbian Foundation will consolidate Symbian as market leader at least for now. Rim are my favorite for being in 2nd place as their latest offerings are now much more European friendly and also have excellent support for Multimedia. With every new version of WM we are told this will be the one to take WM to the top and so far this just hasn't happened maybe WM7 will at last be the one.
As you know i am now using a Blackberry Bold my first Rim device and i have to say the speed and ease of use of the OS is very impressive. As is how strong it is also at Multimedia the Music Player really is one of the best i have used on any device as is also the Video Player. I would be willing to bet that especially with the next BB release being a TS device we will see Rim in a very strong position both by Year end and into next year to.
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@Dogmann, the fact is there is far more freeware (let alone payware) for WM than there is for s60. I'm not saying s60 is shit or anything, far from it, but the fact remains that WM is a more flexible, customisable and tweakable OS with much better developer support from the vendor. That's a fact.
btw, I never said Nokia were in danger of losing their lead, but they are in danger of their marketshare being eroded (it's already happening).
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ok,lets not get started about the wm 'support',especially drivers.
Its true wm has much more apps.
wm is more demanding os if you ask me.
how many s60 can you find with >128M ram,compare that with wm devices where 256M is getting common.
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shyam335 wrote: wm is more demanding os if you ask me.
how many s60 can you find with >128M ram,compare that with wm devices where 256M is getting common.
i have used samsung i600 (220mhz, 180 in reality 64mb ram)and let me tell you that it is more responsive than the e65 i have used. ts wm phones are of course more demanding but they should be compared with s60 touch and not the hardscreen s60.
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On 2008-09-28 17:19:43, razec wrote:
i have used samsung i600 (220mhz, 180 in reality 64mb ram)and let me tell you that it is more responsive than the e65 i have used. ts wm phones are of course more demanding but they should be compared with s60 touch and not the hardscreen s60.
allright,Try uiq,although it didnt have chance to be refined or optimized to its best,if you ask me it ran well on the comparatively old platform it had.
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The last company trying to ´sell´ a mobile OS is microsoft. Google has just released Android but as a free OS and Nokia has just gone open-source with symbian in an attempt to further develop the system since the older model probably reached a peak. Microsoft believes the mobile computing market will follow the desktop market and a OS that runs on various hardware platforms is the solution. However, WM´s market is not getting bigger, quite the contrary, it was 18% about 2 years ago and its about 13% this year. The companies that are really growing and taking market are RIM and recently Apple. Both companies offer both hardware and software and instead of ´adjusting´ their OS to many platforms and developers, they try to take the most out of a controlled set of hardware, not to mention the efforts on ease of use and friendlyness to the common costumer. I believe this is the best way to go with phones. In the end of the day a phone is a small device set to perform a number of functions in the best way possible and combined hardware/software solution seems better both from a performance and ease of use perspective. Even with third party developers, it´s not enough to have many of em if people are not aware of the programs or know well how to install them. Apple´s solution in this case was the best and Android is already adopting it and others also will in the future. With so many oems an app store simply wouldn´t work with WM. Microsoft seems to make decisions based on ´market expantion´ alone and sometimes forgets what would be better or easier for the person who actually buys the phone. Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to say what I think about the mobile market and why microsoft may not be getting it right this time. |
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I think Microsoft's "turn" at this new market configuration will be WM7 (they're the last "at-bat"). One thing that has hampered WM is that there is no commercially successful device to go along with it (like iPhone and Blackberry). X1 may be the second (Diamond the first), but probably won't be killer enough to steal huge market share for WM.
I'm not to sure if "free" OS'es are going to be better. Why should Android do any better for mobiles than Linux did for the desktop? If Android never gets a killer app or device, it's success will be limited. WM has the advantage of being totally integrated onto everyones (almost) desktop . With Live/Live Mesh/Skymarket the WM ecosystem will be just as flexible as iPhone and Android.
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@sloopjohnb, you are jumping the gun by 6 months atleast. Nokia plan to have Symbian open source by sometime in the first half of 2009. Take into account delays and it could be a year or more.
OS X may be open source but do you see any other manufacturers building OS X phones? Linux, the other "great hope" of open source phone platforms, is the only "smartphone" OS to go backwards in real growth, and shrunk by 16.2% in the last 12 months. Interestingly, most LINUX based phones are actually feature phones and not true smartphones at all.
Regarding WM marketshare, despite the fact it may have slumped it's on the up again. In the last 12 months WM has grown by 20%, increasing marketshare from 11.5% to 12%
The iphone growth in the same period is 230 odd percent. Both WM and iPhone are taking their new marketshare primarily from Nokia, who have only grown by .7%, and have gone backwards in marketshare (65.6% to 57.1%)
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS7657409435.html
Android and Open Source Symbian are still very much on the drawing boards. It's a bit premature to draw any conclusions about how they will impact the market.
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Well, SE needs a reform and what better way to start than to go back to high end. If they have an ounce of genuine interest towards their customers (not just their customers' money) then they'd scour forums such as this one and find out that the most viewed and discussed topics that reflects people's interest at any given time are always their flagship/high-end devices.
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