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Bonovox
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Im no snob but i know quality sound myself and my dad have always bought quality hifi for the home. I can tell you that SE fans must be deaf. Dont get me wrong there are some SE phones i love but i find anything there are better brands than Walkman and Cybershot. Nokia make better sound and lately cameras. Perhaps with the cameras its Carl Ziess optics. |
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Tsepz_GP
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Bonovox
I totaly agree! Have you listened to the W880, and W580 as well? My old W900 and N80 were so much better. The N73 is the best sounding phone without a dedicated audio chip, it shows that NOKIA can do brilliant sound without a DSP but why waist time and do that anymore when theres audio chips that are cheaper, i think they didnt put a DSP in N73 because N91 already had it and that was the music flagship whereas the N73 was an Imaging mid end phone.
I havent heard the 5310xm but ive heard a N91 and my N81 and what a leap from the newer SEs. I doubt any of them can even match a N91 due it being so loud as well.
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The fact that u think that the N73 sounds great is enough for me. Told you, sound quality is subjective. |
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RMAA by gsmarena
Frequency Noise range THD IMD + Noise Stereo crosstalk
Sony K850 +0.21, -1.04 -85.7 88.8 0.014 0.030 -84.8
Nokia N81 +0.39, -1.13 -86.6 95.8 0.041 0.040 -69.9
The frequency response curves seen on our RMAA generated graphs are often used to indicate the accuracy of amplifiers and speakers in reproducing audio. Good frequency response does not guarantee a specific fidelity, but only indicates that a piece of equipment meets the basic frequency response requirements. As an example, a high fidelity amplifier may be said to have a frequency response of 20 Hz - 20,000 Hz 1 dB. This means that the system amplifies all bands from 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz with a maximum positive or negative deviation from the straight line of only 1 dB. Larger deviations below 40 Hz or above 15 kHz are OK, since the human ear is unable to perceive those sounds.
The noise levels are the next important aspect of sound reproduction. As seen in our tests, noise is usually measured in relation to the signal levels, otherwise known as the signal-to-noise ratio. In less technical terms the signal-to-noise ratio compares the level of a desired signal (such as music) to the level of background noise ('background' meaning unwanted interferences created by the equipment). So the higher the signal-to-noise ratio, the less obtrusive the background noise, hence the reproducing equipment is of a higher quality.
The dynamic range is another important factor. The human sense of hearing has a very high dynamic range. A person is capable of hearing anything from a quiet murmur in a soundproofed room to the sound of the loudest rock concert. A difference like this can be up to 100dB. A person however cannot perform these feats of perception at both extremes of the scale simultaneously - you cannot hear a whisper in a noisy street for example. Nevertheless, a good quality audio reproduction system should be able to reproduce accurately both the quiet sounds and the loud at the same time. Audio engineers often use the term dynamic range to describe the ratio of the loudest possible undistorted sound to the quietest or to the noise level, say of a microphone or loudspeaker. This dynamic range of an audio device is also sometimes referred to as the dynamic window. To mathematically determine a dynamic range you must take the difference between the ceiling and the noise floor of an audio device. For example, if the ceiling of a device is 10 dB and the floor is 3 dB then the dynamic range is 7 dB, since 10 - 3 = 7. So the larger the dynamic range (or otherwise the dynamic window), the better the device performs at reproducing quiet and loud sounds simultaneously.
The total harmonic distortion (THD) and the intermodulation distortion (IMD) might be the next items you will notice on our measurement results. By the name you know they are a measure of the unwanted altering of the original signals. Distortion is the name given to anything that alters a pure input signal in any way other than changing its magnitude. So, as you might have guessed it, the lower the number, the better the sound reproduction.
The stereo crosstalk is another thing of importance that we measure in our tests. Crosstalk measurement is made to determine the amount of signal leaking across from one channel to another or in purely non-technical terms it measures how good the stereo is. So, the higher the absolute value, the better the stereo. |
Tsepz_GP
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It doesn't change the fact that N81 whipes the floor with K850 at sound, they must have had a proto N81. If the K850 is great at sound then i bet the N91 is the worst at sound quality  and we all know that aint true.
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se_dude
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I go by facts, and the N81 is not a prototype. check the review.its a retail. |
Bonovox
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No i have not owned a W880i i heard too many bad things about it. The W580i i had for 2 days and returned it felt like a cheap toy and massively over priced with poor sound for music and making calls. I think some manufacturers are cramming so much into phones now that quality takes a back seat. To me SE are not what they once were and everyone else has surpassed them and its a shame. Im buying a new sim free Nokia N82 in few weeks time. Cant wait. Sorry SE but until you stop cutting corners then i wont come back. Though i must laugh at myself im using a K800i right now great camera but its sooooooo slow. |
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Yea, K800 is soooo slow. |
unforgiven_sh
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On 2008-08-05 20:35:18, se_dude wrote:
Yea, K800 is soooo slow.
can you explain this a little bit?
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se_dude
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I was being sarcastic to the above post.  |
Tsepz_GP
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Se_dude
Well then clearly they did something wrong. The K850 is not better at sound at all,its just average, i remember the W900 being a lot better.
Bonovox
The K800 is not bad though, must say i liked its design when it was launched,looked very futuristic. You're going to love the N82, its a great device although i must warn do not expect amazing sound quality, its very avarage but if that doesn't matter then you'll realy like it.
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Intrigue
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N82 sq is great but it is not loud like the N81. 
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Bonovox
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Its ok about the sound i dont actually use my mobile for main music device i have a creative 30 giga byte player for that. Im after the camera wi fi and everything else in a not too big frame. As for the K800i i think its last decent camera SE made the phone is great except for operation is slow and the bloody joystick. Music is not bad but distorts when up high. I got it for 60 quid on O2 pay and go upgrade with trade in. Its only till i can afford my N82 soon as i broke my Nokia 6300. |
Coquito
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@Bonovox:
Are you talking serious? c mon I admit there are some Nokia phones with better sound than SE becuase of the DSP, but please be more realistic.
k800- slow?
w580 - poor sound and hard to make calls?
Did you "heard" bad things about w880? have you tried one?
Do you have anything positive to say about  ?
becase I read everywhere you like SE but you NEVER say any good about it.
I Think t you are just a Nokia fanboy trying to put SE dowm always.
Sorry for the off- topic 
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DSP's the way to be!
S.E.> you heard us here!
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