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fatreg
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^ the rationale is..
You can't help who you fall in love with.
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haynesycop
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I can understand where you coming from in the physical sense, but like fatreg say's you can't help who you fall in love with, so very very true.
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Daedalus85
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A) Gay men are at higher risk of rectum cancer
Yeah, and we're at a lower risk of unwanted pregnancy, tit for tat.
B)If it was natural to use the anal passage for sexual intercourse, why is it then that the anal muscles react so badly in causing haemorrhoids, and flatulence.
I'll give you that one, but like fatreg and his 'wifey' (  ) have said, you can't help who you fall in love with.
C)Gay men are at higher risk of HIV and STI's
Thats really more down to the lifestyle than the act of it. My boyfriend and I are pretty much risk free in that area, both not using illegal substances and both only sleeping with each other. And we're certainly not alone. The somewhat stereotypical image of a gay mans lifestyle seems to come into play sometimes, which isn't good.
D)If the anal passage was meant for sexual intercourse then surely it would not also be used for excreting the mostly deadly toxins out of our body. I am sure many gay men can tell you stories of yeast infections and the like.
Again, can't help who you fall in love with, but why does every sexual act need 'rationale'? I mean god if sex (straight or gay) was meant to be rational we'd all be the most boring bunch of bastards there ever was lol
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themarques
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But then if that is the case should we not be dealing with the mental state of the person? Because if I quote what you said you can't help who you fall in Love with, then if people like the Man in Austria that caged his daughter because he fell in "Love" with her are allowed to have such thoughts then it might be a problem.
I think we all agree that sometimes its not LOVE but more so LUST. I dont claim to be an expect on the subject and I am not saying that Gay people are mentally disturbed NO. I just think that if the male body was designed for penetration then it would have been so from the start.
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Daedalus85
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Difference is, incest is illegal, being gay certainly is not.
I have every god given right (I use that term loosley, given the nature of the thread lol) to be with my boyfriend, whom I love dearly and if I choose to sleep with him then so be it.
Nobody, not the law, not the 'lord' (for a start, WTF is he going to do, talk about empty promises  ), anyone, is allowed to stop that.
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KingBooker5
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On 2008-05-23 18:20:50, themarques wrote:
On 2008-05-23 16:34:33, fatreg wrote:
PEOPLE, I DIDN'T OPEN THIS AS A DEBATE OVER RELIGION, I JUST WANTED TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND THE HOMOPHOBIA
thank you.
Thats fair enough, but I am still waiting on an intellectual answer to my question from anyone in the know. Il summarise it again hopefully someone will answer it this time.
If homosexuality and in this I refer to gay men, was meant to be natural why is it that:
A) Gay men are at higher risk of rectum cancer
B)If it was natural to use the anal passage for sexual intercourse, why is it then that the anal muscles react so badly in causing haemorrhoids, and flatulence.
C)Gay men are at higher risk of HIV and STI's
D)If the anal passage was meant for sexual intercourse then surely it would not also be used for excreting the mostly deadly toxins out of our body. I am sure many gay men can tell you stories of yeast infections and the like.
Once again not bashing but trying to find the rationale.
Themarques.
I honestly don't get your point. What you have said is very true. It is not natural, however what is a fact of nature, is that some people are born with a mind that triggers them to be attracted to the same sex. It may be harmful for their bodies to participate in sexual act the same way as a man or a woman, we all know that, but why does any one care?
The sad fact of life is this. Although we have advanced technologicaly, the truth is this. The human race has not matured.
What do I mean by this? Well look at the ancient Greek and Roman socity. You were judged by class and persona. It was not unusual for people to be gay, they were respected as citizens of the community. Gays were accepted and respected for their rights. There was homosexual leaders in both socites, and no one cared, because they were human beings.
However, now lets look at modern day examples. Words such as "queer" and "faggot" are used as insults and people laugh and shame homosexuals. Would these homophobic bastards laugh at a disabled person? As a community, people should be respected on who they are, and not on their beliefs, gender or orientation.
The points I just raised, really question wether or not the human race has evolved on its views on EACHOTHER. And the sooner we can respect eathother, the sooner we can develop as a civilisation. As a community.
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themarques
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It may be harmful for their bodies to participate in sexual act the same way as a man or a woman, we all know that, but why does any one care?
Well I certainly care for the reason like you would care if someone was self harming themselves ie cutting their wrists and abusing drugs. I think what you say that as a race we havent matured is incorrect, because if you look back to ancient times alot of those dudes went on to die of some serious STI's.
I think society is more aware of the damage that can be caused to our bodies hence why they are doing PAP test's for gay men now to lessen the risk of cancer.
On 2008-05-23 18:52:09, Daedalus85 wrote:
Difference is, incest is illegal, being gay certainly is not.
Nobody, not the law, not the 'lord' (for a start, WTF is he going to do, talk about empty promises ), anyone, is allowed to stop that.
Question for you, who made incest illegal? and why? it goes back to the question of pick and choose what law we want to follow. Just incase you forgot the Bible was the first law Leviticus 18:6 that says
"No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD."
So it goes back to the pick and mix of the bible as people want though it clearly tells you that you cant lay with another man, but yet that law is not passed (well it is in some countries)
And my final verse 1 Corinthians 6:12 (Use your bodies for God's Glory) Someone will say "I am allowed to do anything" Yes but not everything is good for you. I could say that I am allowed to anything, but I am not going to let anything make me its slave. 19. You do not belong to yourselves but to God: He bought you for a price. So use your bodies for God's Glory.
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haynesycop
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I think when he says we haven't matured he means in the sense of our opinions and attitudes towards people regarding, race, gender, religion and sexual orientation rather than anything else.
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Dont think I agree with this satement.
C)Gay men are at higher risk of HIV and STI's
Surely anyone that spleeps around not using protection, is likely to catch the above, wether you are Gay or Straight.
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themarques
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On 2008-05-23 19:27:41, pmerryman wrote:
Dont think I agree with this satement.
C)Gay men are at higher risk of HIV and STI's
Surely anyone that spleeps around not using protection, is likely to catch the above, wether you are Gay or Straight.
Studies have been conducted, the reason is that rectum wall is very thin causing it to bleed much easily compared to a vaginal lining. Studies have also shown that the mucus produced by a woman helps in the reduction of HIV (not STIs) so it is correct to say that gay men are at higher risk.
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KingBooker5
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Hayensycop's right, thats did what I mean when I talked about maturity
themarques
You seem to quote a lot of stuff concerning that from the bible as if that is the right way to live. Don't get me wrong, im an Orthodox Christian, however that don't mean everyone else is. Some people are not Christians, and therefore don't wan't to live by what the Bible says.
When I said "why does any one care" that was my mistake, what I meant to say, what does it have to do with any one else. Ofcourse I care about what other people do to their bodies, but again, its none of my buisiness.
With homosexual behaviour, its diffrent. They are only attracted to the same sex, and therefor wan't to make love to the same sex. May I remind you, there are risks of sex in the hetrosexual manner, yet its not as if people stop having sex! May I remind you, in this day and age, it is not unusual for hetrosexual couples to engage in anal sex.
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themarques
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On 2008-05-23 19:36:01, KingBooker5 wrote:
Hayensycop's right, thats did what I mean when I talked about maturity
themarques
You seem to quote a lot of stuff concerning that from the bible as if that is the right way to live. Don't get me wrong, im an Orthodox Christian, however that don't mean everyone else is. Some people are not Christians, and therefore don't wan't to live by what the Bible says.
When I said "why does any one care" that was my mistake, what I meant to say, what does it have to do with any one else. Ofcourse I care about what other people do to their bodies, but again, its none of my buisiness.
With homosexual behaviour, its diffrent. They are only attracted to the same sex, and therefor wan't to make love to the same sex. May I remind you, there are risks of sex in the hetrosexual manner, yet its not as if people stop having sex! May I remind you, in this day and age, it is not unusual for hetrosexual couples to engage in anal sex.
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Yeah you right I quote alot from the bible because that is what christians do and that is what I am. I am not saying I am without fault not in the least, but if you stop and take a look around the saying is curiosity killed the cat right?
Homosexuality and anal sex within the hetro community is on the rise why? well thanks to the internet, porn you name it been easy accessible everyone wants to "try it" what happens then is a question for the person but in my opinion peoples minds are been affected by what they see.
The government ban violent games because they believe it leads people to go out and do crazy stuff, so why allow something that was not classed as the norm years ago?
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Daedalus85
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You, have some serious issues and I recommend a doctor.
Do you think I give two flying shits what your "paperback-by-Mel-Gibson" or "bible" as you call it says? The newspaper told me the other day that eating too much chocolate is bad for you, you think I have to do just that because they write it?
I'll make this clear one last time, I am not a religion follower, I live my own life, I am a grown, mature human being who is capable of making my own judgements on what it right or wrong for me. I am the only person responsible for my own actions. If I wanted to follow other peoples instructions I'd join a dictatorship rather than follow religion (similar if you ask me....).
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thomas93
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Whats wrong with James being gay?
Gay or not he is one of the nicest guys round esato.
James, good comeback with the rectum cancer one
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themarques
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@Daedalus85 Firstly there is no need to go on the offensive, I have not named you in my post's as the person of discussion. This is open to everyone to make their own assumptions as I have with mine.
You are free to choose what way you want to live you life, nobody is stopping you I am merely saying that I believe if people can be influenced by games to go out and KILL then surely they can be influenced to experiment with things that they have never done or considered before.
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