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On 2006-01-13 03:31:43, axxxr wrote:
It was the CIA who killed Kennedy..americans killed their own president..and as usual blamed an external force,in this case Cuba..
This is the same top secret agency that planned 9/11 and conveniently blamed muslim hijackers....
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@axxxr - Yeah, I heard about that 9-11 issue too! That the detonators were already in position at the legs of the 9-11 towers before it was HIT by the 2 commercial planes. They say that it is very IMPOSSIBLE that those 2 bdgs. will fall that way considering that it was STRUCK by plane in the middle part . . . the way it was laid to REST (ground zero) was a handiman work of people who knows how to put down buildings using explosives and detonators . . to be later be reconstructed  But how about those 5-6K Americans who died there, were they the SACRIFICIAL LAMBS 
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Thats exactly how it happened,the whole thing was one big controled demolition..but the agenda behind it was far more than just re-building the towers,its americas new world order that they are working on..Iraq was just for starters,plenty more to come.
SACRIFICIAL LAMBS..absolutely yes..U.S soildiers and civilians die in iraq everyday for what?...so that haliburton can have a contract to work on.
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But what still puzzles me is that if they are (Americans) war freaks, as if there should be NEW war agendas at the desk of Bush every month etc. etc. and to EARN some profits from this WAR (like it was reported that the US earned millions paid by the Saudi and Kuwaiti govts during the Kuwait inavsion in the 90's) WHY is it then that they did NOT take over the OILS of Kuwait when they saved it from the aggresive Iraqis in the 90's
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I must also say few words on this topic. As a serbian citizen I felt a american democracy on my skin few years ago, in '99, they "save me" with thousanod of bombs that contain forbiden radio activ uranim know a very large number of population geting cancer and die. And nobody talk about that
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On 2006-01-13 03:31:43, axxxr wrote:
It was the CIA who killed Kennedy..americans killed their own president..and as usual blamed an external force,in this case Cuba..
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Where is your proof? Everyone from the Soviets to the CIA to the Mafia to aliens has been suspected of assassinating JFK. Do you have evidence to support your claim or is it just 'generaly known'?
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This is the same top secret agency that planned 9/11 and conveniently blamed muslim hijackers....
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Again where is your proof? Presumably since you are stating this as fact you have cast iron proof of this and not circumstantial evidence or hearsey and conjecture.
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I have 2 proofs! A bullet proof and a proof-of-purchase! How's that Scots?
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On 2006-01-13 03:54:56, axxxr wrote:
Thats exactly how it happened,the whole thing was one big controled demolition..but the agenda behind it was far more than just re-building the towers,its americas new world order that they are working on..Iraq was just for starters,plenty more to come.
SACRIFICIAL LAMBS..absolutely yes..U.S soildiers and civilians die in iraq everyday for what?...so that haliburton can have a contract to work on.
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Whilst your conspiracy theory may very well be true, we have no real evidence to conclusively prove or dismiss it, you seem to be rushing to tar the American government and in so doing you are missing several key points.
First of all the claim that America perpetrated 9/11 to create a 'New World Order'. This doesn't seem to have been good for doing that because it didn't serve as a rallying call for a truly fundamental shift in global politics. Yes it galvanised a 'War on Terror', but it hasn't served to keep the West united or the American public firmly behind a course of war. For example, Iraq has actually been very damaging to America and to the neocons who wanted the war. Whilst 9/11 undoubtedly allowed new laws to be introduced it hasn't served to allow for the complete overturn of democracy or for the more conservative minded politicians to do exactly as they please or stifled scrutiny of those laws which have been implemented nor quelled opposition to neocon policies.
Iraq has proved to be both a drain on lives and finances for America and as a result it has caused Bush's approval ratings to drop markedly. Far better for anyone planning a 'New World Order' would be to use an event that united people behind their leaders thus allowing those leaders to impose their new order without fear of large scale opposition. To that end the war in Iraq has been disastrous as far as propogating a 'New World Order' in concerned. It has been equally disastrous for American politicians who want to go to war with Iran or Syria or anyone else for that matter. So much public, political and international opposition has been created to war that unless, Heaven forbid, there is some major attack on the U.S. or one of its major allies people will be extremely wary of another war and many are likely to be highly criticial of it and put it under closer scrutiny.
Your claim that America caused 9/11 is disputed by the fact that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for it. Of course you may think that the US controls Al Qaeda, but if that were the case then one would have to ask questions as to why they have not been used more effectively. If one is going to use an organisation such as Al Qaeda as a 'common enemy' then one would have expected there to be more cohesion in the West as a result. Instead what we see is the West fractured with some of the US's allies, notably Spain, withdrawing from conflicts such as Iraq.
If the U.S. wanted to implement a 'New World Order' then I doubt very much whether we would even know it was going on. Would a top secret plan to usher in a new global system rely upon as bungled an operation as the planning for the war in Iraq? Are we to believe that people who are allegedly orchestrating a massive global cover-up would be so inept as to utilse a situation so fraught with errors and embaressment as the Iraq war?
The U.S. probably does wish to exert more control over the world, but I doubt very much whether that would be in a military sense. The US is already the foremost military power in the world, they have no serious rival for that position. What the U.S. is far more likely to care about is the economic state of the world and with maintaining their economic power, which underpins their military and political power.
The 'New World Order' is more likely to be a case of safeguarding America's economic position and we can arguably see evidence of that already. China is being brought ever closer to capitalism and included in the global economy, all the better for the U.S. to be able to influence. India and Brazil are being opposed in their quest for permanent security council seats. The U.S. seeks to keep good relations with friendly Middle Eastern powers and to introduce democracy to them, again all the better to lessen the chances of them acting against American interests.
What you seem to forget is that American leaders come and go, the maximum length of time a President can be in office is eight years. If one government is voted out and a different one put into place then the whole direction of American politics can change. Clinton's policies are in marked contrast with Bush's e.g. Kyoto and the buying of old Soviet nuclear weapons.
The war in Iraq was almost certainly more to do with stablising the region for American economic interests than it was with creating a new global political order. America lost control of Saddam and that had to be rectified, he was a loose cannon and could have caused serious economic damage. American policy is actually very simple to understand if one realises that it is primarily underpinned by the goal of maintaining America's economic dominance. This can be seen since the end of WWII. It isn't really any major surprise, most nations seek to maintain and expand their influence, especially economic influence. I won't condone everything America has done in order to achieve that goal, but I'm equally not going to treat America as if it were the only country to have ever done so; other nations have done similar things to maintain their own positions of power.
When all we see is conspiracies behind everything we tend to loose sight of the truth, which is usually far simpler. Looking for complex answers usually just leads one to false conclusions when the real answers have been staring you in the face the whole time.
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I have 2 proofs! A bullet proof and a proof-of-purchase! How's that Scots?
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It's the best proof that's been demonstrated in this thread so far anyway. 
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Your a wise man. Why dont you become britains next prime minister, I'm sure your do a swelling job 
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I'd vote for him, very good reply scotty.
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all country has internal affiars, nobody has the right to go anywhere and piss around in it. american citizens voted for bush, so its their problem, to suffer cos of him. and if they dont like it, why dont they make any steps against the government? who teached the arabians how to fight, how to get weapons, who gave them money once, who supported them with military knowledge?...
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On 2006-01-13 03:54:56, axxxr wrote:
Thats exactly how it happened,the whole thing was one big controled demolition..but the agenda behind it was far more than just re-building the towers,its americas new world order that they are working on..Iraq was just for starters,plenty more to come.
SACRIFICIAL LAMBS..absolutely yes..U.S soildiers and civilians die in iraq everyday for what?...so that haliburton can have a contract to work on.
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omg HOW WRONG ARE YOU...... the buildings fell the way they were designed to...... (layer cake) - also it is very possible and probable that the buildings would collapse as the planes would have stripped out the inner sections holding the thing up..... hence the length of time it took to fall..... guys youre all obsessed with conspiracy theories.....
i have a theory - the moon aint there... the sun aint there..... god, lets throw the boat out - the sky aint even there..... its all in your heads....
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@leeboy if its true what u are saying , the the cia is most incompetent agency all around the world. there is way more behind that story, i do believe in it. it wasnt the first and the last to sacrifice lifes for the interest of a small group of ppl, who like to control world and do everything, to keep the power over all of us...
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@boba
I believe there is more to the story... but i definatly believe the twin towers was a terrorist attack (that they didnt think would actually happen), there is nothing suspect about the way in which the towers fell or the time it took them to fall, that i can garentee you.
i recently went to a truth911 meeting and spoke to ex cia members, they did not say it was all a conspiracy... in fact they were very useful and gave an arguement for and against.... very well done.
Visit www.911truthbristol.com for lots and lots of info and links....
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of course they didnt say that is was conspiracy... 
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why boba? the guys been in and out of prison since he quit the cia for expossing the truths..... why would he hold out on this one?
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