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Sony Ericsson should produce more mid-end symbian series 60 smartphones |
Evil Eye
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@nit yup, you are correct. Thats a bad news for SE...
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max_wedge
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It's all a question of positioning. At this moment SE are hedging their bets. They have the manufacturing oompth to weigh in with bulk good phones whenever they need to. Nokia sell smartphones like potato chips, but many of those smart phones are used in no more complex ways than candybars like K500 etc.
Many many nokia smartphone users don't even know they have a smartphone. Smartphone is still a niche market which SE are happy to service via the P series until they see more demand. The truth is Nokia phones are not in demand as smartphones, but because they have a wide range of phones to suit different users needs, whereas SE have traditional had a smaller range, but each phone feature packed.
They are changing this tactic with the K300/500/700 etc. and J series. to appeal to the common market.
I said it a year ago and I see no reason to change my mind: Smartphone is still not a feature that the average nokia phone buyer knows or cares about. Sure all you smartphone advocates on this forum are different, but you guys are more advanced phone users than the averages joe/joannes.
I'm with you guys - I'd love a K750 like uiq3 device - but I don't think that SE are in danger of losing the market race just because they haven't a good range of smartphones yet.
Now this s REALLY starting to sound like the "Have Sony Ericsson finally taken the lead in global mobile phone solutions?" thread  |
mib1800
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@max_wedge:
a smartphone is still a smartphone whether u like it or not. It doesnt matter whether the user exploit the power fully. (in fact a typical users may not even use the non-smart K750 to its full potential).
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max_wedge
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mib if the general public don't know the difference then what does it matter if SE market smartphones or not? If the general public don't even consider smartphone a factor in their decision to buy a phone then how is SE falling behind?
I'm not trying to say smartphones are bad. Infact I believe eventually all phones will be smart. But I think that day as much further away than you would like, and SE have nothing particular to gain in the general market by doing any more than they already do with regard to smartphone development.
Mate your logic on this issue as always is biased towards your own preference and has nothing to do with the real world market.
I'm not going to argue around in circles on this issue....that's all I have to say about it. |
adnan543
Joined: Aug 08, 2005
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dear user if you have k750i please check this following problem
during vedio recording when you press zoom button and leave it to do recording after three minutes it will stop recording and will not save data i want to know is it hardware problem or software and i have enouhg memory and with fully battey charged
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has33
Joined: Jun 29, 2005
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I agree with U max on d point dat "Nokia sell smartphones like potato chips" & "nokia smartphone users don't even know they have a smartphone"...but there r ppl here on esato asking 4 advise on which SE phone (will fullfill their requirement & fit their buget) should they get...& it always comes down 2 d point dat SE doesnt have dat phone..so they should shut their eyes..sell their soul & get d nokia series 60...ngage...no cam...but costs about $180...6630 1.3MPX cam...& costs about $350....SE P910....only choice...& costs about $575. So I really think SE should give some choise 2 its buyers.
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max_wedge
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has33, I concede that that is true... it is depressing for smartphone advocates who are also SE fans. The P910 is nice, but I bought the K750 instead.
I still think for the money and features SE non-smartphones are still better than most smartphones on the market. I looked into smartphones a year ago, and couldn't find one that suited all my requirements in a phone (the actual flexibility of a smartphone I don't need yet - I'm into convergence devices ie: phone, cam, mp3 player in one small form factor).
However it is true that if you need a smartphone or pda device, you need to buy a brick like P910 or go to another manufacturer.
BUT, like I said it's niche - at the moment SE are concentrating on appealing to the general market, not smartphone buyers. I think economically it's a good move, even if I myself would like a SE UIQ3 candybar. |
Cenfi
Joined: Jul 24, 2005
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FINALLY...... SE UIQ 3 smartphone launched............ in my dream!
sheeeessshhh......
(desperate & dying from curiosity SE fans)
My lovely phones  t610, k300, k700, p910 & w800  N9500 & HTC magician My less lovely phones Moto v3 & N6681 |
Evil Eye
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On 2005-08-10 10:34:04, Cenfi wrote:
FINALLY...... SE UIQ 3 smartphone launched............ in my dream!
sheeeessshhh......
(desperate & dying from curiosity SE fans)
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 It can be only in dreams...
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nitesh
Joined: Oct 08, 2004
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@adnan pls don't bug around asking your problem in anothers thread.. Make your own thread dude! Btw its a firmware(software) problem.
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has33
Joined: Jun 29, 2005
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Yo...the owner of all the crap in the universe...all my dreams have come true...even d bad once...its scary but true. U r begining 2 irritate. Post something worth posting. All U have done is quote some1s post & added a PJ along. In dis & other threads. Let see if U have something intelectual 2 say about d topic ? Na...U ll just quote (or atleast b tempted 2) my post & add a PJ .Grow up or aleast try 2 learn from U mistakes. We R here 2 make freinds.
I dont say I m perfect...no I m far behind...but I try 2 learn from my mistakes. |
mib1800
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@max_wedge:
all u need is to see slightly ahead why a smartphone platform is important. sometime the end-user may not need to know too much about what a smartphone can do.
Providers/vendor can introduce new apps or developers can come out with some great ideas. These apps can then be propagated to the end-users smartphones thru certain tie-up with the service providers. For example, Nokia has been promoting their "presence" app using bluetooth or "mobile search" or "lifeblog". Even older generations of Series 60 can run these apps.
This trickling effect will slowly turn into a waterfall as more and more smartphone users discover the add-on uses thru word-of-mouth or thru providers. This will lead to more people buying smartphone over a normal phone.
And with an installed based like 100million smartphone users by year-end (and still growing exponetially), this will entice more new services to be introduced. And with 3G/EDGE high speed connectivity in place, many new uses will eventually emerge.
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max_wedge
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You think I am arguing against smartphones, I am not.
I agree with you that this is the situation that will emerge, what I'm saying is that for the time being (next year or two, maybe three or four), manufacturers can get all the utility they need out of the non-smart os's they currently use. For example with all the K750 can do, some people call it a smartphone when it isn't. But SE have no difficulty making it useful even without the vaunted smartphone os. Then there is Blackberry, which will probably die a death when smartphones are commonplace, but until then it serve's a purpose.
I don't believe SE will fall behind the market by not bringing out a good range of smartphones just yet, and that it will be a couple of years or more before they need a good range of smartphones to compete in the open market.
What about Motorola, Samsung, Siemens? All have competitive handsets, but they have no more smartphones than SE. Are you saying that THE ONLY oem's that are competitive are those with a high percentage of smartphones in their line up? Because that's blatantly ridiculus.
You tempted me into biting, well done  Actualy you argument is coherent, I think we only disagree on the timeline. |
mib1800
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@max_wedge:
take a look at motorola in the firgures I gave. They have increased their smartphone volume by 600+ percent.
the time is now. What I think is SE should quickly choose a smartphone platform. imho, I think only 2 major platforms (i.e Series60 and Microsoft WM) will survive in the longer term. Since SE is relatively small, it would be a good idea to either jump on the WM or Series60 bandwagon.
SE seems to be wasting time trying to come out with its own O/S to compete with Series60 and WM. |
renxiangster
Joined: Jul 04, 2005
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I think series 60 is a good platform as many companies are using it e.g panasonic, nokia. I want to remind people series 60 is not owned by nokia! |
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Posted: 2005-08-10 09:11
t610, k300, k700, p910 & w800 
N9500 & HTC magician
