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so who is religous here? |
gelfen
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so how much agreement does it require to be declared?
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under Islamic law a "fatwa" is the personal opinion on matters of Islamic law delivered by an Islamic jurist.
Usually a fatwa is issued at the request of an individual or a judge to settle a question where fiqh, Islamic (The branch of philosophy concerned with the law and the principles that lead courts to make the decisions they do) jurisprudence, is unclear. A scholar capable of issuing fatwa is known as a (A jurist who interprets Muslim religious law) Mufti.
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are you Sunni Peter?
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yep.
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What are the main differences in the beliefs and practises of the Shia and the Sunni?
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The answer was posted a few pages before.
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I've always thought that Shia (Shia people) are more religious than Sunni. They have different habits, slightly different praying methods and they are basically remorsefull for killing Hassan and Hussain, they also celebrate a special day where they beat themselves to show they are sorry for killing the two leaders.
Or at least thats what I think.
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@amnesia
That reminds one of the Christian flagallents of the 14th century who beat themselves in the hope of averting the Black Death. They believed that man's sins had brought God's wrath down upon them.
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@the Muslims reading this post
Would you agree that?
“Islam recommends that men and women dress modestly. And even then this is a recommendation, not a religious stricture. And yet people like Al-Qaradawi and Bin Laden turn this into “a pillar of Islam” to the point that in London one sees baby girls in prams wearing the black hijab that al Qaeda has adopted as a symbol for its female supporters.”
Also that
“Mohammed’s intention was to cute out the middle man, leaving the believer in direct contact with God. All mullahs, maulanas, and muftis, gentleman who grow impressive beards and cover their heads with turbans or worse, are at best actors playing priests in a faith which does not include them in its script”
Both quotes taken from an article in the Evening Standard, which I would like a Muslim or a few Muslims view on as I understand there are many “ways (tariqahs) and paths (mazhabs)” that Islam is split into.
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@Peter kay why is Quran spelt defrently (koran) all over the press?
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there is not many ways, there are few.
For example, I'm told there is a province in China that is entirely Muslim.
They dont eat pork, but their understanding for the reason is because the pork is somewhat sacred. Which we are taught is wrong.
The hijab thing is correct.
It's a cultural dress and is recommended and is not a rule of Islam as many women actually believe.
As for the religious leaders, they are at most 'enlightened' people and are there to answer questions that Muslims have based on their interpretation.
for example, there are some strict religious leaders that think that music is against the religion. I forget their reasoning.
However, others say that music is important to our daily lives, and that is why we read the Quraan in a musical tone.
so as you see there is always a leniant or strict view.
they spell Quraan as Koran because many people cannot pronounce the word correctly.
Look at my country it's called Qatar (reading it you would think it means Ka-Tar) but its not pronounced that way at all.
For a Q letter, try to say K while blocking your throat. When you see a double a it stands for a sharp elongated a.
As you can see it's hard to explain.
We have letters, that other languages dont have.
For example, the special celebration Ramadhan is sometimes written as Ramadam (which is so wrong  ) R isn't a soft later to us, it should vibrate on the tongue and DH should be pronounced like trying to say TH and V at the same time.
Hard to explain without hearing it.
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Same with interest, its said that its not right to earn interest, but some moulanas say one can use interest money for tax and other useless payments!!
The reason I think the press spells it wrong its coz they dont care, also they make things up like the word moslems - they say its black muslims, which its BS!! We all the same and its muslims! |
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no such thing as Moslems exactly.
Interest is not allowed because we should all help each other as brothers.
We should take in people who dont have a home and should help the poor by giving them money.
Also if someone takes a loan there is no reason to give interest because the other person did not earn it.
There are Islamic banks that try to go around this with a loophole.
E.g. You want a car. Instead of taking a loan and paying interest.
They buy the car for you. They give you the car, and sell it back to you at a higher price, and allow you to pay monthly for example.
I think this is stupid because you can't cheat God. He knows what you've done. You can't find a loophole in the Quraan or the Bible.
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@Peter kay why is Quran spelt defrently (koran) all over the press?
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I don't read the press and don't know what they say and don't wanna know what they say. I say Quran as it's meant to be in Arabic, not koran. Either way its the same scripture 
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I think people are looking to blame the press for a little too much at times. As far as I am aware the use of the word 'Koran' is merely an Anglicinisation, it is neither through disrespect or laziness, but rather to make it easier for native English speakers to understand.
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JK
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Thats a stupid excuse!
Why then dont they say BYEBEL, you cant change the name!!
its also the same Quraan, thats how it should be and how it should be said!!
So i take it thats how the word "moslem" came about to??? |
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