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amnesia
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@Solid, there is a big difference in what I said and what you said.
I'm talking about the ancient religious wars as a comparison.
I dont know much detail about what you said but is it possible that the people who did that were also fanatics?
Is it possible that there was also another reason for what happened?
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PeterKay
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Islam for some reason has been attacked for quite some time, the only reason which i can think of is because it is the worlds fastest growing religion for its Peaceful and respectful reasons. Many leaders in the world fear Islam for this reason and maybe do not want Islam to become a world leader as it may harm their beleifs! Thats my personal opinion on why Islam is feared today.
Anyways, the Holy Quran mentions in Chapter 22 Verse 64-66:
To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: for verily Allah (God),- He is free of all wants, Worthy of all Praise.
Seest thou not that Allah (God) has made subject to you (men) all that is on the earth, and the ships that sail through the sea by His Command? He withholds the sky (rain) from failing on the earth except by His leave: for Allah (God) is Most Kind and Most Merciful to man.
It is He Who gave you life, will cause you to die, and will again give you life: Truly man is a most ungrateful creature!
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On 2005-07-18 13:11:43, amnesia wrote:
@Solid, there is a big difference in what I said and what you said.
I'm talking about the ancient religious wars as a comparison.
I dont know much detail about what you said but is it possible that the people who did that were also fanatics?
Is it possible that there was also another reason for what happened?
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One can't judge historical actions using contemporary values. As much as we may think that the Crusades were barbaric the people of the time thought that their actions were perfectly justified. Just as first century Romans found it perfectly acceptable to watch animals tear people apart so too did medieval Christian Crusaders find it acceptable to wage war against the Muslim factions occupying the Holy Land. Just as the Aztecs looked upon human sacarifice as integral to their religius beliefs so too did early Christians see it as necessary to spread Christianity, even through force at times.
What is accepted at one time isn't necessarily so at another time. We may of course say that such things are unnacceptable now and that they are wrong by our standards, but the people of the time did not necessarily see things the way we do.
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amnesia
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yeah so you're supporting my point 
you should have quoted him lol
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solidsingh
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i jus saw a programme on tv a bout some islam extremists, there is a group of muslims who believe that suicide bombing is martydom. the leader of the group says that they should carry out attacks, one of the members was hoping that they could be a martyr before the age of 40 and it was his ambition
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gelfen
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On 2005-07-18 10:43:40, PeterKay wrote:
Answer to question 1: No it does not signify imprecise translation at all, it actually helps the transalation more if you read the text properly. As the Quran is revealed in arabic, this transalation is most accurate that i mention in my posts. The Word (God) i place myself as some people do not know who Allah is. |
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thanks, but that's not quite what i meant. i suppose i'm just wondering are there the equivalent of parenthetical remarks in the original arabic, or do they only occur in the english versions?
for example, why does "(or verses)", "(of authority)", etc. appear in brackets? i can see that it is used to clarify the statement, but does the same clarification exist in the arabic texts?
thanks.
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Chapter 13 Verses 1-3 State:
"A.L.M.R. These are the signs (or verses) of the Book: that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is the Truth; but most men believe not.
Allah (God) is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.
And it is He who spread out the earth, and set thereon mountains standing firm and (flowing) rivers: and fruit of every kind He made in pairs, two and two: He draweth the night as a veil o'er the Day. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who consider!" |
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amnesia
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no because in our language there are some implied terms.
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gelfen
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ok, thanks. that makes more sense. 
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gelfen
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On 2005-07-18 12:57:49, 786KBR wrote:
Its wierd how Islam is always being scrutinised even before 9/11...
Whats the reason? |
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On 2005-07-18 13:13:11, PeterKay wrote:
Islam for some reason has been attacked for quite some time, the only reason which i can think of is because it is the worlds fastest growing religion for its Peaceful and respectful reasons. Many leaders in the world fear Islam for this reason and maybe do not want Islam to become a world leader as it may harm their beleifs! Thats my personal opinion on why Islam is feared today. |
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actually, i think that hollywood has a lot to do with it. after the cold war ended it became harder to make anti-soviet spy/action movies. as consequence there was a conscious move in hollywood to find a new villain, and the arabs became it for a number of reasons - obviously different appearence, alien culture and customs, and above all most americans knew nothing about them except what made the evening news regarding bombings, hostages and the like. general ignorance was a big factor because you could say anything in a movie and nobody knew or cared any different.
consequently the west has a lot of entrenched beliefs centred largely around ignorance and works of fiction.
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Kryptik
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Thought i'd share this- an elderly lady in my community, not very religious, was asked by somebody which of her 3kids was the adopted one, to which she replied she wasn't sure, she couldn't remember. Now that, to me, is true love.
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PeterKay
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On 2005-07-18 22:10:17, solidsingh wrote:
i jus saw a programme on tv a bout some islam extremists, there is a group of muslims who believe that suicide bombing is martydom. the leader of the group says that they should carry out attacks, one of the members was hoping that they could be a martyr before the age of 40 and it was his ambition
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Like i said before, stop judging my religion on whats said on TV or the tabloids. I have mentioned this so many times - Read the Holy Quran as this is the basis of the religion, this is the problem today. People seem to believe what the media says about our religion rather than realise what the truth is. These so called Muslims who believe in suicide bombings and killing innocent lives are not true Muslims as they are not following the religion.
Please do NOT judge Islam through today's Media. Please...
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Do u know in Islam what will u get when u commit suicide... U will be on an express way to Hell... Yes u may argue that they committed suicide for Islam and be in Heaven... but thats a different story.. only in Jihad... but theres no Jihad war... as this terrorist kills innocent people.. not people that wants to kill Islam.. thus this people will definately go to hell.. But why people commit suicide will go to the express way to Hell? This is bcoz, this people disobey God (Allah), it is not their time, and they are selfish enough to think that their soul belongs to them, but they forget our soul belongs to the Almighty God Allah...
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PeterKay
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Against Terrorism info here
Miracles of the Holy Quran can be found here
Wisdom from the Holy Quran can be found here
Videos regarding and relating to Islam
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gelfen
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i was interested to see these articles.
A letter to the terrorists
Hassan, a young Muslim born and raised in Yorkshire, offers a heartfelt response to last week's attacks on London
Dear dead or alive terrorists (As Salaam Alaikum doesn't apply to you),
Just wanted you to know I'm a young Muslim and I heard about you on the news again today. We all did. It's so painful to know I've grown up so close to the same Leeds streets as you. I was born in the same hospital as one of you, St Luke's, but we took different routes in life. Somehow ... life will go on. And in my heart, I really believe that one day London and all of us will be stronger. But never because of you and what you have done.
I can confirm that since that morning of Thursday July 7, you have not saved one single Muslim's life in your phoney war for freedom....
article continued at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/att[....]/story/0,16132,1529150,00.html
UK Muslims issue bombings fatwa
More than 500 British Muslim religious leaders and scholars have issued a fatwa in response to the London bombs.
The religious decree expresses condolences to the families of the victims of the atrocity and wishes the injured a speedy recovery.
It states Islam condemns the use of violence and the destruction of innocent lives and says suicide bombings are "vehemently prohibited".
The fatwa was issued by the British Muslim Forum (BMF) outside Parliament.
article continued at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4694441.stm
@Peter: could you provide more details on this please (i.e. what a "fatwa" actually means and how it comes about)?
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PeterKay
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The word 'fatwa' means to make a legal decision on an Islamic basis. A fatwa is made based upon the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Mohammed (saw).
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