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absinthebri
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On 2005-07-10 18:18:23, scotsboyuk wrote:
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On 2005-07-10 18:13:05, absinthebri wrote:
All I'm saying is that anything can be political and when you have no politics, you have nothing.
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That's a valid point, in the real world, but this isn't the real world. This is a mobile phone forum. The last time I checked, discussion of the situation in Iraq wasn't a prequisite for discussing SE's latest models or how to connect to the internet through your handset.
Mobile phone issues for mobile phone forums; political issues for political forums.
If we must have them here then I think they need to be 'policed' more heavily. Keep them inside their own little threads and away from everyone else.
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I agree, this is a mobile phone forum and its primary purpose should be the discussion of mobile phones and related issues. I don't have an issue with that.
But unless that's all that's permitted, I'm not sure how we can proceed.
People wish, for example, to offer condolences when there is a disaster or attrocity. I'm thinking not only of the events of last Thursday but of, say, the tsunami last December. Other people will naturally want to look at what brought about the events that took place, who may be to blame. etc. This seems natural and to have a non-political environment is to have a sterile environment.
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masseur
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On 2005-07-10 18:16:47, absinthebri wrote:
I'm not sure people do come here to discuss politics, merely that politics naturally comes up when discussing life. As does religion. Certainly, when I want to learn and discuss political issues, Esato isn't my obvious choice.
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this pretty much sums up my point of view and the thoughts I was expressing in my first post of this thread
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On 2005-07-10 18:08:01, scotsboyuk wrote:
The point still remains; why come to a mobile phone forum to discuss politics? I am a member of a political forum too (www.projectevil.com) where I go if I wish to discuss such issues. If I have a political question to ask or debate my first thought is not of Esato. Funnily enough I tend to think of Esato as somewhere I can go to learn about and discuss mobile phones.
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I certainly wouldn't come to Esato specifically to discuss politics, religion, aviation, massage travel, frequent flyer clubs, cars I drive, watches I wear etc etc but these are all topics (and more) that I have participated in as a member of the Esato community and to be honest I have little time to spend on other forums so I'm happy to have a bit of non mobile related social chat here
so really, this topic seems not to be to disallow the political or religious topics, since clearly they are unavoidable in many circumstances, but infact the argument is to try and make members more aware that these subjects do become highly controversial given the broad spectrum of Esato members and as such should be approached a little more lightly and with less antagonism than they currently are, and if that is the real intention of this thread then I can only agree
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scotsboyuk
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@absin
I'm glad you made mention of that actually because it allows me to make a very important point.
Non-mobile related issues should of course be discussed, there is after all non-mobile forums here. They add an extra level of depth to this forum, which makes it both a fun and interesting place to visit.
However, what isn't desirable is when we have issues, which lead to flaming, anger, bitterness, recrimination and division. Now of course this can happen in non-political/religious threads, but of course the political/religious threads themselves seem to have this fate as a birthright!
If we actually look at the thread created to honour the victims of the London attacks, it has gone from that to descending into petty squabbling and anger at various points. Such threads are fine in principle, but when they threaten to degenerate into such rediculous behaviour the moderators should immediately step in to stop that from happening.
Reasoned, calm, civil and respectful debate, but when it turns then it is time to end it. Lock or delete such threads. If such threads are moderated strictly then gradually that tendency to degenerate will go because people will know that if it does the debate is over. Simple and effective.
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-07-10 18:32:53, masseur wrote:
so really, this topic seems not to be to disallow the political or religious topics, since clearly they are unavoidable in many circumstances, but infact the argument is to try and make members more aware that these subjects do become highly controversial given the broad spectrum of Esato members and as such should be approached a little more lightly and with less antagonism than they currently are, and if that is the real intention of this thread then I can only agree
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As I said before, persoanlly I would prefer such discussions banned completely, but of course I don't make the decisions. 
If political/religious discussions are to take place on Esato then I feel there needs to be stronger moderation of them. By nipping flaming and ange rin the bud before they are allowed to develop will create a pattern that people will recognise i.e. either stay civil or you don't get the opportunity to debate because your thread will be locked/deleted.
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axxxr
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knock Knock!...Can someone help me with my k750 please?
Oh sorry i thought i was in the mobile phone forum?
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vanquish
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This must stop.
It is fine for members to chat about non-mobile related things.
But it must not get in the way of the primary focus of this forum: Sony Ericsson and mobile phones. It must not cause members to fall out, if such religious and political threads start to get out of hand, then members, mature members, should intervene and tell moderators.
Its not a political forum, i have been angry with members for their religious views but, they may have been a great help to me concerning my phone. it just spoils everything, stop getting poltical!
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you, for one, are a person that i feel takes things a bit too far. sure, you have views but you just seem to ridicule everyone elses, whats the point in a political or religious debate if you dont consider the other persons views? that is a moronic response mate, please, keep on topic.
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axxxr
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On 2005-07-10 18:57:19, vanquish wrote:
@axxxr
you, for one, are a person that i feel takes things a bit too far. sure, you have views but you just seem to ridicule everyone elses, whats the point in a political or religious debate if you dont consider the other persons views? that is a moronic response mate, please, keep on topic.
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Hang on just a second their matey...you been having a bad day or something?..I have'nt even participated in this thread and your having a go at me as if i've started this debate...And for your information I don't ridicule anyone else's views,everyone has their opinons and i always respect that...I only posted that as a lighhearted joke and so calm down,i found thread quite boring anyway as we have had this discussion so many times in the past...yawn!
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-07-10 19:04:27, axxxr wrote:
... i found thread quite boring anyway as we have had this discussion so many times in the past...yawn!
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Then why comment?
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axxxr
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On 2005-07-10 19:07:46, scotsboyuk wrote:
Then why comment?
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Just thought i show my face!...come on guys where is your se-nse of humour?
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-07-10 19:09:27, axxxr wrote:
Just thought i show my face!...come on guys where is your se-nse of humour?
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Yes, very comical. Now where is that smilie for raising one's eyebrow ... ?
Back on-topic now please. 
Do you have any comments to make on the issues, which have been raised here axxxr?
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axxxr
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On 2005-07-10 19:17:49, scotsboyuk wrote:
Yes, very comical. Now where is that smilie for raising one's eyebrow ... ?
Back on-topic now please.
Do you have any comments to make on the issues, which have been raised here axxxr?
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I believe you were looking for this 
I don't think i can add anything further to this debate apart from what has already been said,and i do believe most of these points have been raised also in past aswell a few times..I will however just say that Political and Religious threads should not be banned from esato and more freedom of speech and varied opinions should be encouraged,just that the moderators need to work out a way to make them function in a proper and respectfull manner.
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slattery69
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it not just down to the moderators but the people who participate in the thread.
i for one have taken part in some of these threads and do enjoy them as i like to see both side and see other peoples points of view and there reasons for them
however i find many people who take part dont give a dam about anyones point of view but there own and if anyone challenges there narrow view they throw there toys out of the pram and start name calling
if you arent intelligent enough to accept that other people many have a different view to yourself or see evidence differently and argue the case sensible and rational without the toys going out of the pram. i believe you should be banned from that topic no matter what your rank at esato (memeber or moderator or contributor) |
axxxr
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On 2005-07-10 19:54:56, slattery69 wrote:
if you arent intelligent enough to accept that other people many have a different view to yourself or see evidence differently and argue the case sensible and rational without the toys going out of the pram. i believe you should be banned from that topic no matter what your rank at esato (memeber or moderator or contributor)
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That is a pretty good suggestion and "moderators take note" banning a member for indecent or impoper behaviour in a thread is the correct way i think and might actually be workable.
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haynesycop
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that is a very very good suggestion/idea
that way less arguments will be generated
i hope this will be implemented
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tranquil
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So that would be us saying "Sorry mate. You can't say what you mean but he/she can."
That is how it would be looked upon.
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