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What's wrong with Esato? |
marik
Joined: May 31, 2004
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Certainly there are quite a few valid points made in this thread. Though I consider myself to be relatively new at esato I have seen far too much rubbish and injustice get into esato. So scotsboy i do see your points and i do believe they are valid but I am afraid there is very little we can do about it. You see we could delete posts and lock threads and so on but persons on this planet are very bad minded and are far too determined to stopped by these methods. We could suspend or ban members but who is goin to stop them from rejoining as someone else? So all in all esato will be stuck like this for a very long time. ( Indeed it is very much like friction. You cant get rid of it completely but you can reduce it by aplying some oil. And that is your point right scotyboy? That we need to apply more oil?)
Just one final point. Concerning the removal of post numbers I dont think that is a very good idea considering that I (and I'm sure quite a few other members) find it especially useful in the mobiles for sale section when we are determining whether or not a seller is trust worthy. cheers
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scotsboyuk
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@marik
You have no idea how right you actually are ...
Incidentally, Mik's excellent thread for rating sellers and buyers is worth a look if you haven't seen it. 
"I may be drunk my dear woman, but in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly." WSC |
Wuz
Joined: Nov 01, 2002
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OK, fair enough scotsboyuk - your contributions to the site are well known and I don't for one minute question your motives - i believe you to have the site's very best interests at heart.
But why not do what I suggested, define what you believe the ethos of the site should be. Only then can you tell where it is that things need changing. |
scotsboyuk
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@Wuz
Simple: a mobile phone forum dedicated to SE phones that also incorporates other brands and non-mobile related discussions as a sideline. A forum where people are free to request help or express opinions without being harangued by a mob. A forum where threads don't degenerate into petty squabbling on a frequent basis. A forum where members don't constantly question the moderator's actions. A forum where people don't feel the need to make posts just for the sake of posting. A forum where rubbish and tosh doesn't rule the day.
In short, a Sony Ericsson mobile phone forum with a general chat area, not a general chat forum with a Sony Ericsson mobile phone area!
"I may be drunk my dear woman, but in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly." WSC |
batesie
Joined: Feb 13, 2004
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Scots, i think that sums it up nicely...
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Wuz
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@ scotsboy
1. "a mobile phone forum dedicated to SE phones that also incorporates other brands and non-mobile related discussions as a sideline" = That is today's Esato.
2. "A forum where people are free to request help or express opinions without being harangued by a mob" = I would state confidently that the vast majority of posts requesting help or expressing opinions are not subject to ridicule.
3. "A forum where threads don't degenerate into petty squabbling on a frequent basis" = if you examine all the threads posted on the site and count the ones that end in squabbling, can you really say it would be more than 1 in 20.
4. "A forum where members don't constantly question the moderator's actions" = Again, as a proportion of the members on the site, can this really amount to anything 'signifiant' - surely less than 1% of members do this.
5. "A forum where people don't feel the need to make posts just for the sake of posting" = perhaps..but surely you can ignore these and an issue on any forum.
6. "A forum where rubbish and tosh doesn't rule the day" = If this was really the case with Esato, then it would be reflected in a general dwindling of numbers on the site...I believe the opposite is true.
I don't see a problem Scotsboy...but maybe thats the point...I'm not looking for one. |
scotsboyuk
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@Wuz
I have never put much stock in numbers, they can be used to show almost anything one wishes. Myself and others see that there is a problem; many agree with us to a greater or lesser extent and many disagree with us to a greater or lesser extent.
Far from looking for a problem, the problem seems to have found us. Some of us can see it, whilst others apparently either do not, or choose not, to see it.
If you don't think there is a problem then that is fine, you are perfectly entitled to your own view. Perhaps I am indeed singing 'There Will Always Be An England' in the Long Bar and perhaps the Esato I knew has vanished forver; the closer I look the more certain that seems to be. I do see a problem, whether you agree with that assessment or not is entirely your own choice ...
"I may be drunk my dear woman, but in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly." WSC |
DeLa
Joined: Jan 22, 2003
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I don't know if I'm to consider myself a new member but I have been on many forums before. Forums get popular and then attract a lot of people (kids, socially inept people, ...) that disturb. They capitalise on the value 'original' members have created but do not add anything themselves. Usually forums never recover from that because you can't manage the popularity of your forum.
I find Esato harder and harder to use these days:
- "serious" questions about some technical topic or closely related to SE get buried deep in the other nonsense threads and you have to be lucky to be read and replied to
- the search has become irrelevant because of the huge amount of post you have to plow through, so you are inclined to start a new thread or jump in a thread where you see the people you think might have the answer are in and then you go off-topic there.
I'm very pessimistic. I don't think Esato can recover from this. People with 'inside' information that found an informed audience are gone and they won't come back and that is a mayor miss.
You might have a go at it anyway by changing the front page where the last changed threads are mentioned to some more complex listing where 'quality' threads get more attention.
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Vlammetje
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That might actually be a very useful idea! To only include  forums and review forums and perhaps rumours in the latest posts section. Heck you might even include pointers to a 'tech FAQ' on the front page, in the hope people will go there
Maybe this is one for the Bugs & features request thread...... another one that seems useful to the eye of the beholder (me in this case) but judging by the fact it has not been pinned, may bear a lot less weight than we would like to?
Does any of this feedback ever go anywhere beyond these threads anyway?? 
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scotsboyuk
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@DeLa
You make some good points, but I have always liked to think that there was a way, to borrow tranquil's metaphoe, to turn the ship around.
@Vlamm
One does wonder ...
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Rokin#128
Joined: Oct 13, 2003
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"The best thing about this ship is that there is no 1st, 2nd or 3rd class cabins. Everyone on the ship is equal and are treated the same way."
Then why not delete the postcounts and faded avatars system, and at least get rid of the newbee-seniority blabbel going around in posts lately and ending up in flamewars.
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Vlammetje
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much of the 'blabbel' is the responsibility of members themselves and no policy imposed will make up for bad behaviour.... 
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scotsboyuk
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@Vlamm
Quite, but a firm hand wouldn't go amiss either. 
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Dragonfly_TP
Joined: Aug 11, 2004
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I'm not sure what kind of poster I am... maybe a combination of some
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mustafabay
Joined: Sep 27, 2004
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I agree with Vlamm on what should get put on the latest posts section. I also think it would be nice if "For sale" and "Looking For" posts get put in the latest posts on wap but have link to the market place instead. I don't really like seeing 3-4 market threads in the latest 10 posts when I log on. I've also notticed quite a few repeated posts lately. It would be nice if they just were deleted. I know I first said it was a good idea to add more moderators, but I guess if the current ones don't feel that the burden is to great then I'll side with them. |
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