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scotsboyuk
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Some of you may be reminded of Fijbert by this thread, but I think the following has to be said ...
What has Esato come to? Everywhere I look I see hordes of people doing nothing but irritating the life out of each other or complaining about the most stupid of things. How many threads does it actually take to ask a question? By the looks of things it would seem that the answer is 'several'. How many innane threads about what someone ate for breakfast whilst using their mobile abroad do we need?
Let us also examine the perpetrators of these banal brain destroyers ...
The Serial Poster: This annoying fellow posts just for the sake of posting. Whether he is actually interested in a thread or not he will often make a post, usually a one word post or perhaps a smilie. Sometimes the serial poster will start his own thread, usually it has no real purpose other than to let him post.
Serial posters are often concerned with their post count, desperately seeking to get it above the five hundred mark only to then realise that there are people who have thousands. This simply spurs the serial poster onwards in an effort to post more.
The Obsessive Ericsson Fanatic: These annoying characters are akin to fundamentalist Christians due to their annoying habit of constantly telling everyone how good Ericsson are. Whether you are discussing the weather or your pet dog they will manage to find a way to slip Ericsson into the conversation.
An annoying habit of these characters is to simply refuse to listen when someone points out that Ericsson weren't perfect, often they will simply reiterate a particular Ericsson mantra e.g. Invented Bluetooth. Also watch out for them ignoring you whenever the fact that Ericsson were terrible at actually getting people to buy their handsets is mentioned and watch them try to ignore or gloss over the fact that Ericsson needed Sony to save them.
The Political Activist: These people believe that it is their mission to inform everyone of everything going on in the world that they consider to be unjust. The more extreme variety take on causes and become blinded to the fact that a.) they may be wrong and b.) some people don't really care about their causes.
Often you will see them posting out of context, deliberately misquoting or misrepresenting facts so as to further their own agenda. Why they don't post in political forums remains a mystery, but would be more sensible.
A word of warning, some of these characters will become aggressive or highly defensive when their views are challenged by anyone who a.) disagrees with their viewpoint or b.) is half-sane.
The Comedian: These are the people that think they are hystericaly funny, yet aren't really. Constantly cracking pathetic jokes and posting numerous smilies in response to their own posts they are to be pitied more than anything else.
The Sycophant: These are people who latch onto other members like celebrities. Often posting in agreement to everything their chosen 'celebrity' posts they would probably post a grinning msilie of agreement if their celebrity posted calling them a urine stain. They thrive of thir chosen 'celebrity' posting a reply to them or occassionaly posting something that indicates that they speak to their 'celebrity' 'off-forum' e.g. through a messeging client.
The Attention Seeker: These are the people who deliberately post controversial threads to gain attention. Why else would someone post threads extolling the virtues of Nokia on a SE fan forum? Why else would someone post threads deliberately criticisng SE to the point of being insulting? These characters typically don't have much to say for themselves aside from repeating certain arguments that are often either unsubstantiated or highly subjective.
The Complainer: These people have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. They will complain about everything and anything, usually extremely petty matters, which really ar eof very little importance. Good examples of this sort of behaviour are the numerous threads bemoaning a particular feature on their mobile, even though the handset had been on sale for months before thye bought it and they had read all about the problem in countless other threads.
These people often complain about things as if major corporations only have them to cater for e.g. Why doesn;t SE include [insert highly specialised feature]?
Esato is full of these sort of people and their tosh. A huge flow of Rubbish sweeps across Esato, tainting nay half-decent threads it comes into contact with.
I often wonder if some of thes epeople see a thread and think to themselves "What's this? A thread that makes sense! Better post something stupid to get it locked."
Why do people threadjack? I can accept the odd tangential funny comment, but why do some feel the need to post something completely unrelated to the the subject of a thread?
Where is the Esato that I know and love? Can she dig herself out of the Rubbish heap that has been cast upon her?
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FutureDesign
Joined: Dec 10, 2004
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Im the first one :-) and abit of the comedian :-D
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Oogamous
Joined: Aug 14, 2004
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hmmm... i really can't picture what category i'd fall in... but yeah, esato may not be the esato it started out to be.. but if i remember correctly i had read a post by laffen stating that it's a part of evolution of any large forum... a normal tendency for members, especially the older ones, to begin deviating from exclusively posting mobile phone related questions to posting more personal and general posts for the sole purpose of enjoying themselves which may be perceived as crap by others... so as the number of members spiral high and there is collective 'aging' of the newer members, the number of irrelevant threads would definitely continue to rise... and a newbie has a right to ask a question no matter how many times it has been repeated before- thereby irritating the older ones a bit and adding to the perception of increasing crap lying around in a previously uncrappy forum in the eyes of veterans.. so scotty, i don't think u can count upon the older esato coming back.. :-)
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scotsboyuk
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@Oogamous
Bingo! Although I would disagree about posting questions that have already been asked, especially the ones that have been asked ad nauseum!
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Ayush
Joined: Sep 12, 2003
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I think oog is correct to the extent of the first point
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scotsboyuk
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@Ayush
To a certain extent. Ther is nothing wrong in posting non-mobile threads, but not some of the drivel that is reguarly posted ...
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Ayush
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@scot i agree @future shut the **** up!
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OluYom
Joined: Oct 27, 2004
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In my opinion, the Complainers and the Attention Seekers are the most pathetic.
Complaainers: A simple bit of research before buying the phone is just common sense. And it does seem that these set of people have no idea what the word 'contentment' means. In phoneland, it means: Get what you love, and love what you get'.
The Attention Seekers: A really bad case of identity crisis and insecurity. Why would someone's world revolve around trying to be the centre-point of every wheel?
I can stand the Comedians. They add some zest to these pages so long as they keep within reasonable limits 
The Political Activists? I won't even go there, or they''ll soon arrive here on this thread and get it locked!
But there's hope for Esato. Hopefully.
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satan89
Joined: Oct 26, 2004
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From: Hell
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I agree with oog too . @ future design i think you come under serial poster ...
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govigov
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Yeah, there are a lot of rubbish threads but in between them there are threads with genuine problems too. They somehow get ignored. Moreover threads that praise a particular phone are a lot like for k750, but as soon as they get it in their hands, their view point is gonna change to the opposite. And complaining threads is gonna start. But i guess that is all a part of being in the forum business.
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OluYom
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A lot of people just need to learn to make valid complaints, really. The compulsive complainers complain whether it rains, snows or is sunny.
I notice that there are quite a number of people still giving attention to people with serious needs, as well as discussing real issues. Then there are a few threads that are quite informative in content. These keep me coming back.
Besides those, I am not too much into non-phone related threads. Once in a red moon, maybe.
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Residentevil
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It is the complainer that drives me up the wall. I just could choke the living daylight out of them.
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obsixx
Joined: Oct 22, 2003
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@evil, agreed.
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scotsboyuk
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@AYA
There are so many threads posted by people asking for help with a problem that don't get many replies; I wonder how many of them were because they were buried under the mountain of tosh so that people who could have helped didn't notice them?
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masseur
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@scotsboyuk, you manage to put into words, very fine words, the thoughts that I have had since late last year and if I am totally honest it is a large part of my reasons for wishing to give up moderating here a few months back.
As someone who reads most posts I just found myself getting more and more infuriated and frustrated by all this and thats no frame of mind to be in when trying to be impartial and fair in dealing with situations
I have tried PMing a few of the main members I consider to be participating in the described practices there is generally no defined rules being broken and though some initial note is taken it doesn't take long for them to revert to their previous ways.
The problem is that if we moderators take action against such members we get called dictatorial (I certainly have a couple of times already) and if we don't, well then we get these threads and the problems described herein.
I guess one problem with Esato's popularity is that it is easily found in google searches and so attracts members from all countries, ages, ethnic backgrounds, mental states, and any other categories you would care to mention and the quality level in posting is a constantly changing xxxxxx
We see many cycles too, from product rumours to official announcement to impatience in obtaining the new products to excitement when they are released to dissapointment when bugs are found then onto impatience again waiting for the next rumours and so the cycle goes back to the rumours
in between these steps we see lulls where suddenly Esato gets filled with garbage and non mobile related topics and these can be about all varieties of topics and you have to sometimes wonder if some members are just sitting there dreaming up stuff to post no matter what
we get 60 new members each day on average, many just passing by because they found us on google and need a question answered quickly. Many probably have not even been forum members before and though we present the forum rules on signup suggesting to familiarise themselves with the forum, use the search, etiquette etc they are in such a rush to get their question answered they just don't have time to read all that and this is a fact of life in many things we do.
Fortunately many of these members enjoy what they see and become core regular members and thus realise their early mistakes but with such a high turnover of members its always going to be an issue
in summary, I guess Esato is somewhat a victim of its own success and I don't see how such a fluid site can really be controlled or moderated in anyway other than how it is now to change these things that are not breaking established forum rules without the pendulum swinging the other way and members being upset with moderators for being too invasive
as always, we welcome any sensible and constructive suggestions to make Esato a happier and friendlier place but at the end of the day the responsibility is largely with the members themselves
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