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faca
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Posted: 2002-07-17 12:34
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I'd rather go with an IPaq+T68i. Symbian phones still have a long way to go, both in terms of hardware (too big devices) and software (too little of it available)...
mmort7
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Posted: 2002-07-17 12:43
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I have iPaq 3870 & T68i now, I use it daily, it is comfortable and good solution.
But i will bought P800 when availeble, becouse when like to have access to my e-mail, calendar ... and possibility to easy type data (not by T9 in small keybord, tahts why not n7650) in conform way everewhere I am, and I am not taking my iPaq for example to pubs.
I will still continue using iPaq with P800 together.
jplacson
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Posted: 2002-07-17 16:00
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I'd rather have a P800, and a laptop... The p800 has better res than all Palms (except of course Sony's), and almost as good as the PPCs. I'd rather do without the PDA in the picture... or do without the mobile phone. So it's either a P800, or an iPaq with the tri-band GPRS expansion pack...and a laptop w/ portable printer and Bluetooth.
mmort7
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Posted: 2002-07-17 16:38
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Yea, I will fully replace my iPaq by P800 after I will have all software I use:

Terminal Server Client (Citrix Metafrae Client is on CD with P800)
VNC Client
MSN Messanger (or something equal)
VPN (IPsec)
iSilo or something for reading e-books in palm formats

After I will have this software for P800, I can stop using my iPaq.
ManofTrueGod
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Posted: 2002-07-17 16:39
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Quote:

On 2002-07-16 15:50, mmort7 wrote:
"You can also use this as a laptop for a short trip. If you have a Bluetooth keyboard, you can enter all the data you want -- there will be a whole range of peripherals to connect to this wirelessly. People will realise they can carry out work on this, particularly since you can edit documents like Word and Excel."

Hmmm, looks interesting.



Hi, this feature is important to me and I am looking for a way to validate this. I attend seminars, conventions, meetings where I simply want to bring with me one device. I also carry business funnels and talk to sales groups. I want it all in one device.

The O2 device and other such formats is simply too big for me.

I also agree with some of you that if SE will come out with a camera-less version of this, that would be preferable.

I was supposed to buy an iPAQ last year working for Compaq, it appeared a natural choice. But then I also wanted phone functionality. That's when I discovered Symbian and smartphones. I waited for the Ericsson R380e last year but got cancelled and so decided to purchase a Nokia 9210. Not bad pre-P800.

I got used to editing/creating Word and Sheet files. Not much of the multimedia -audio and video. And for lack of network at home between my Armada and my Presario, I installed the Nokia connectivity software in both computers, and use my 9210 to transfer files across

My family is all Ericsson phone fan -from S868, T28s, to A3618. Mine could have been R380e. But the P800 would probably doubly more expensive than the R380e which could be converted to horizontal format. The games I saw on the P800 images where in horizontal format. I wonder if other apps could do the same.

I also investigated the Treo 270 format because of the keyboard for document production. But it's got less features compared to the SE P800. I even discussed with Treo folks in their forums the level of productivity with thumb keyboard versus virtual keyboards. Kyocera came out with a phone keypad + graffiti. I thought who would type docs using phone keypads?

I am glad I found this web site for I have been scouring the net for 4 weeks looking for meaningful discussion of this phone. There was a Yahoo forum but not much activity there. I posted some questions at Ericsson forums, no one seems to be reading there.

And, yeah, I would have wanted SE to have created a silver edition for the phone to make it more "professional" looking rather than a toy.

Ok, enough rambling. I just wanted to validate Anil Raj statements that documents can actually be edited. If there were Bluetooth keyboard with a horizontal screen, that would be like 9210!
jplacson
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Posted: 2002-07-17 19:34
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Ya! Like I said before, I'd like to be able to rotate the screen so I can view/edit docs horizontally.

A silver/dark gray (Like the HBH30) color scheme would be nice too!

If SE came up with a camera-less, silver/gray version... that would make me sell the P800 I'm gonna get, and get that one instead! hahaha!
Supa_Fly
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Posted: 2002-07-20 02:23
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jplacson, SD devices can and will be able to accept MMC cards. That is an SD slot=MMC slot but NOT vice-versa. Examples. SD=MMC slot: O2 smartphone (PocketPC 2k2), Compaq iPaq 3870/3970, Palm m505 & m515, also Fujitsu Seimens LOOX PPC, Toshiba eGenio most models. However MMC =/ (does not) SD: examples are the Nike PSA Play MMC MP3 player, and most other MP3 micro players.

Now what seperates SD from MMC is a few things. First off SD slots except for the Casio EM-500; all support SDIO which is for Input/Output standard devices (Bluetooth, GPS, Modems,etc.) Now check also, the data bits for read&write are incredibly significant in favor for SD over MMC. Also SD actually has more connectors than MMC.

As far as MemoryStick partners for Sony I've personally only know of 2. Acer is the first, the other I cannot remember. Are there any more.


SteEr
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Posted: 2002-08-22 11:32
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With the P800 keypad on, would you still be able to perform ordinary celphone functions like sending SMS and Calling? Is there a list of functions you can do with the keypad on?
Superluminova
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Posted: 2002-08-22 11:45
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i think most people here have forgot that the p800 has sony's jog-dial system on it! so you only ned on hand to use the phone and you don't need to use the pen all the time!
OBEY GAINT
Ulukai
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Posted: 2002-08-22 16:34
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Yes, I agree the JOG is a good thing.
elsapo
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Posted: 2002-08-22 21:18
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@superluminova
That's true... And it seems that there are even two keys on the other side. I don't think that the pen will be often required. Than if the user has the chance to connect to a PC. I would like to test its keyboard too: may be it will be better than I'm suspecting.
Anyway I've an iPAQ and the pen is mandatory!!! All the other keys are quite useless, but I don't think is 'that bad'.

And even if it was posted before, inside and outside ths topic, it has the chance of running standard Symbian C++ programs (and Java). The problem will be handle all the features it has without any library but just with the Symbian header and classes; may be someone will 'stole' the SDK stuff and after a couple of months it will be possible to find a SDK-like libraies collection.
roskelld
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Posted: 2002-08-23 01:15
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Going back to the SDK chat.

I don't see why developers can't code for the phone without an SDK. Look at the Gameboy (and many other consoles), they have tons of homebrew SDK kits, editors and librarys coded for them to help other developers make software. When a good piece of hardware comes out (hopefully like the P800), people want to understand it and learn how it works. I think if the phone has potential for great software expantion, then we'll see a lot of software apps appear on the web.
Esato.com should be able to open a new P800 software section, much like the Themes one.
There is all the potential of it happening.
Froddan
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Posted: 2002-08-23 02:37
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I have a question about P800. Does it have T9? I haven't seen any info on that in the white papers.
I know about the touch screen and text recognition, but that's when you've removed the flip. How about in flip closed mode, is it T9 or multitap that's the text input method?
Brimme
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Posted: 2002-08-25 11:38
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here is another link with some usefull information about the P800

http://www.psionpage.ch/p800.htm
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