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Vlammetje
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
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From: Den Haag
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i don;t see the need for a description like 'veteran' in the first place. It's a hollow word after all 
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masseur
Joined: Jan 03, 2003
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From: Sydney, London
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I agree 100% with Vlammetje and it immediately creates a "class" distinction which then distinquishes certain members from other members whereas in fact we are all the same... i.e. members!
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Residentevil
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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From: Raccoon City, USA
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As long as we treat the newbies fairly, and that is a task of everyone, then I do not see any action necessary.
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goldenface
Joined: Dec 17, 2003
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From: Liverpool City Centre
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This thread will go a long way to turning around Esato's snooty reputation. Flaming newbies is not nice or clever. They should all be given a warm welcome.
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bart
Joined: Feb 03, 2002
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veteran members mostly have alot of knowhow on mobile phones.
when they come to easto they want to discusse the newest and most advanced stuff. but they see alot of newbies posting questions and stuff like that. so it takes some time to find what they are looking far. so they get irritated by the new posters, thats why some veterans give newbies such a hard time.
i myself am a veteran and i'm abit like that 2. but i don't go flaming newbies are people that post the same stuff over and over again. when i can and feel like it i'll help. buy mainly my posts are focused on the new stuff, like new phones, advanced software, guessing what SE's market approches is and so one.
should there be something special for the veterans or people that are very much appriciated here? sure. maby a special thing under there nick name. they have the job to make the newbies feel home here. if they don't, they shouldn't have a special thing under there nickname.
thats what i would like.
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masseur
Joined: Jan 03, 2003
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From: Sydney, London
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but what does veteran mean? as far as I can tell it only means you have been a member for more time that some other members
In the last couple of months I have joined a few other forums since taking a motorola and a windows mobile smartphone.
I am not unwise in reading manuals and have a good ability to figure stuff out quickly and learning how those phones work and have been a pocketpc user for many years.
On those forums I have few posts and have not been a member long so am I a newbie? am I a verteran?
see my point? so why try and classify members like this?
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tranquil
Joined: Dec 15, 2001
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From: Oslo, Norway
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@Masseur Agreed from my end! That is exactly why I put my veterans in brackets. The meaning of veteran is not post count or time as a member but experience.
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bart
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a veteran is a person who's been on forum for quit some time and who helps people while sharing his knowhow.
sure i've got posts on other forums aswell, but i'm not a veteran there cause i mostly read and post once in a while, sure i know alot, but i just don't see my self as a veteran there
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Gigs
Joined: Jan 19, 2004
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Gotta say I'm with Masseur on this.
Personally i've been posting in elerctronic form since the days of bulletin boards. Does that make me a veteran poster?
Alot of forums seem to get older member/newer member issues at times, it may show more readily because esato has a high amount of foot traffic.
The only way for a community to not be elitist is to get over the notion that because you've been about longer you're afforded more room to act or have special priviledges. All members are equal, they may not have the same knowledge as you but then again they may just know something you don't either.
Besides in the end if you see something from a new poster you don't like or irritates you, move on. You don't have to help, and by not posting you certainly help not stirring. (new posters DO appreciate it though when peopel can post something constructive, even if it doesn't solve it, it might just give other leads to follow)
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goldenface
Joined: Dec 17, 2003
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From: Liverpool City Centre
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I also think that the perceived level of knowledge can be slightly off-putting but not in a bad way although I find technical matters very interesting.
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Sammy_boy
Joined: Mar 31, 2004
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I could be considered a 'neuvaux' veteran, but I still post rubbish and stupid questions! 
Length of time on a forum isn't necessarily an indicator of quality posts.
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Grimslade
Joined: Jul 25, 2004
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Funny that when Scottsboy posts his question, the answers come almost entirely from "veterans," eh? I think I'll have the second-lowest post count in this thread as of the time of posting, so let me give a "newbie" perspective.
My experience (YMMV) is that there are quite a few "closed" conversations and inside stuff around, and often a newbie post--it needn't be a question, but often is, by the nature of things--is given less attention than something from a "friend" or someone everyone else knows, etc. Certainly, I've posted a thing or two that seemed to fall down a well in my day; when you're new and that happens, you inevitably wonder, Is anybody listening? But what's more, you ask, are they ignoring me because I'm the new kid on the block?
I don't say this to indict anyone, or everyone, or anything. In fact, I think a certain amount of that is perfectly natural; people are comfortable around their friends, so they gravitate to those conversations. Also, there will always be a certain amount of repetition among newbie questions, and someone who's been around for a while may just feel too bored or frustrated or whatever to respond to a post that the newbie may think is new and great but is old hat to the old hands.
I don't have any suggested reforms or improvements or anything else. I just thought I'd post my own perceptions of these things. I think the forum is great and helpful. But it can definitely be lonely being a newbie at Esato.
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goldenface
Joined: Dec 17, 2003
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@grinslade. I have definitely felt like that before. I have lost count of the amount of times I have been the last poster on a thread. I thought I was going to gain a reputation as a thread-killer. :-( :-l :-D, (please someone post after this). .
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wapchimp
Joined: Jun 09, 2002
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From: Land of the chimps
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On 2004-12-14 00:22:38, Grimslade wrote:
often a newbie post--it needn't be a question, but often is, by the nature of things--is given less attention |
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I don't think thats true - many new posters are helped, there are a few where people will post use the search, but more so they are helped.
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Grimslade
Joined: Jul 25, 2004
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@wapchimp--I don't know if it's "true" or not. But I'm saying, as a relative newbie, it can _feel_ like that around here. Already goldenface has said he's felt the same thing; lots of people talking around you about all sorts of things, but no one wants to answer _your_ question. Is that "true" objectively? I don't know. But it "feels" true, and I take it that was at least part of scottsboy's question.
And as I said, probably it's just partly human nature; at a big party full of people, some people will go up to a stranger to welcome them, but many people will just as soon stick in their clique. Also, it has to do with the sorts of questions newbies ask. Anyway, it makes no sense to argue whether it's true; he asked whether people see it that way. I have to say, yes, sometimes they do. You can say they're wrong, or whatever, but then, by doing so...
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