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On 2009-03-31 17:36:28, Bhavv wrote:
so funny reading comments from iphone owners. its human nature to defend what you've bought, but get over it, iphone is good design but beauty is only skin deep. LG have taken the design but if you read the specs actually have produced a much higher specd device.
iphone is old now and needs to have a price reduction if its going to attract users. imo..
Just taken from a post on the LG Arena article on Esato 
Random person is critical of iphone shock!
Strange that you didn't choose to quote some of the other posts. Like the very first..
Some people accuse the iPhone of being all looks and fluff but no depth, well this is just such a phone. It reeks iPhone from the chrome bezel to the icons and 'jumping' keyboard letters but without the quality of design that makes the iPhone UI such an intelligent solution and without the App Store which obliterates every other OS platform ATM.
Good attempt, but must try harder LG - sorry.
Just a thought for you - do you think the LG Arena would exist at all if the "irrelevant" iPhone hadn't come along two years ago?
In replies to your earlier post:
- No matter how many apps you add to your I phone, you cannot give it a 5 MP camera. Also, I couldnt upgrade my old phone to an LG Arena by using apps. Software does not upgrade a phone in any way whatsoever, it just gives it more games and software. There is no Irony in upgrading my *HARDWARE* every 18 months, when apps cannot in anyway do this.
Again you completely underestimate and misunderstand the nature of apps, and decent manufacturer support. If you look at the original 2007 iPhone it didn't have apps at all - it was just as locked down and limited as your Arena. Then in 2008 it was gifted with Exchange support for its email, calendar, and contacts, suddenly making it a viable phone for Enterprise use, along with an Appstore which opened up the possibility of all kinds of extended functionality and turned it into a gaming device as well. The new 3G hardware may have added HSDPA and GPS, but every iPhone old and new got significantly more powerful that day.
In June this year a similar thing will happen - while Apple are busily releasing their inevitable new hardware for those looking to upgrade (and yes I expect it will feature a better camera with video recording) I and every other existing iPhone user will get support for even more complex and powerful apps such as TomTom, along with better Bluetooth and a host of UI improvements. I'll be halfway through my contract in June, Apple owe me nothing, but I'll nevertheless get a significantly more functional and capable phone gifted to me for free, however you choose to dismiss that.
I will be ordering a 32 GB card as soon as it drops to Ģ50. 32 GB + 8 GB onboard = 40 GB.
Yeah. Only 32GB Micro SD cards aren't even on the market yet, let alone dropping to Ģ50, are they?
- I put some music on my LG Arena, and no, the Dolby Mobile feature is far far far from a marketting gimmick, unlike Apples claim to being revolutionary. The music on my LG Arena sounds amazing, so much better then any handset from SE, including Walkman phones that my friends and family use. A better hardware feature is never a gimmick, it is a fact that the device is better then another which lacks that hardware.
Except that Dolby Mobile isn't actually hardware. It's audio processing software which phone makers can add to their hardware. An "app", if you will. You can read about it here - http://www.dolby.com/professional/mobile/mobile-overview.html
What were you saying about software not upgrading a phone?
- I have every reason to attack the I Phone for being so expensive and only having a 2 MP camera.
You have no reason to attack the iPhone, apart from the apparent personal bitterness you feel toward it for whatever reason. A phone's price isn't set by the pixellage of its camera, it's set (like that of any other product) by the market, and the value potential buyers place upon it.
- Of course the I Phone is usefull, but so is every other handset on the market, some are even more useful then the I Phone.
Very few. The point about the iPhone is it's virtually limitless. That's theoretically true of any smartphone (as opposed to a feature phone like the Arena) but the iPhone currently has the best app and developer support by miles.
- The I Phone is not anymore relevant then any other device. This is just an opinion of its fans like you, the person who started this thread, and other I Phone fans.
Yeah, it's just me that think it's relevant, and the several million other users, and most of the international media and technology commentators, and staff and visitors to Engadget who voted it the best gadget and best smartphone in their reader and editor awards last week, and the countless other users, developers, and admirers of the phone around the world. But obviously none of those opinions count because they all belong to "fans" of the iPhone and, crucially, don't agree with your own personal view. Rendering them irrelevant.
The I Phone is not even a dominant phone:
Name a single high-end phone that sold anything like 13m units during 2008, apart from the iPhone. You can't. All you can do is parrot total sales figures for huge brands like Nokia and LG, whose sales include millions of basic handsets across multiple ranges to the developing world and elsewhere.
How many Viewty's did LG sell last year? 13m? Don't think so.
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I wasn't an iPhone or Apple fan, but after getting an iPhone 3G and used for 2 months all i can say is I LOVE IT, i had many many SE phones and a N95 in the past but none of then gave the joy that iPhone did.
The Bluetooh and the camera become the less important things when you have so much to play with 
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Exactly i find the i phone to be an over priced toy. Bluetooth is a basic must in todays world. As well as camera. The i-phone takes 2 very important things in a phone and makes em gimmicks.
How some people can take a phone like that seriously i have no idea. Its just an ipod with a phone. Even i could have thought of that and made millions. Its too over hyped and a crap phone. While yes not one single model sells more then this one single company can sell 5x more then this cause you know what? There is a thing called diversity and a phone for all tastes and the i-phone is a phone where it tries to be all in 1 and fails. Miserably. |
Bhavv
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Just a thought for you - do you think the LG Arena would exist at all if the "irrelevant" iPhone hadn't come along two years ago?
Who knows? Im not phychic, it very well could have.
Was the I phone the first touch screen UI phone on the market? No. So, would the I Phone had ever come along if no one had ever made a touch screen device before it? Probably not.
Again you completely underestimate and misunderstand the nature of apps, and decent manufacturer support. If you look at the original 2007 iPhone it didn't have apps at all - it was just as locked down and limited as your Arena.
Again, you underestimate being able to integrate a decent camera, bluetooth, copy + paste, MMS, removable batteries and expandable memory into a phone. All of these are more important then Apps. You also fail to realise that the Arena has only been released for 5 days!!! In 6 months time, there will be apps available for it. Right now, I cant think of anything that I need to add to the phone.
I and every other existing iPhone user will get support for even more complex and powerful apps such as TomTom, along with better Bluetooth and a host of UI improvements.
Good for you. I dont drive and dont need tom tom. None of SE phones ever needed UI improvements and were perfectly fine to use. If I got a phone that couldnt properly use bluetooth for connecting to another device and sending files, I would send it back and get something else.
Yeah. Only 32GB Micro SD cards aren't even on the market yet, let alone dropping to Ģ50, are they?
Ooops, I were looking at the wrong type of memory card prior to getting my phone, never mind, I'll just get myself a 16 GB and still have 24 GB total
Except that Dolby Mobile isn't actually hardware. It's audio processing software which phone makers can add to their hardware. An "app", if you will. You can read about it here -
Oh really?
Dolby Mobile is a suite of integrated audio technologies that elevates the mobile entertainment experience.....
Dolby Mobile can be incorporated into a wide range of multimedia and dedicated audio mobile integrated circuits (ICs)
So you're going to use a software app to integrate Dolby Mobile support into the IC of your I phone? Wow!!!, like, care to explain how?
You have no reason to attack the iPhone, apart from the apparent personal bitterness you feel toward it for whatever reason. A phone's price isn't set by the pixellage of its camera, it's set (like that of any other product) by the market, and the value potential buyers place upon it.
I believe in free speech, and all of apples products are overpriced junk.
Name a single high-end phone that sold anything like 13m units during 2008, apart from the iPhone. You can't. All you can do is parrot total sales figures for huge brands like Nokia and LG, whose sales include millions of basic handsets across multiple ranges to the developing world and elsewhere.
How many Viewty's did LG sell last year? 13m? Don't think so.
How many were sold in America? Maybe 50 - 75% of those 13m ???
America has only just gotten its first 8 MP camera phone released by Samsung, prior to the I Phone, the most popular phone there was the Motorolla Razr.
When comparing Global sales figures, it is more accurate if you subtract and ignore sales in America, because the mobile phone market there is far far far behind Europe and Asia.
Heres an article on the poor UK sales:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2008/01/21/iPhone-UK-Sales-Figures-In-Below-Expectations/p1
According to the pink paper, 190,000 units have been sold in the two months since the uber-handset went on sale on 9 November, 5 per cent down on the 200,000 units expected.
Wheras the N95 has sold over 1 Million units in the UK, and I have no doubt that the LG Arena will easilly eclipse the I Phones poor sales here as well.
I call all of your misinformed information on the I Phone out as plain, obvious fanboyism.
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The iPhone wasnīt about īnumberī of features but the implementation of these features with the best UI in the market plus the introduction of multi-touch (which is the best thing out there for viewing files of any form).
HOWEVER, today the developing community around the iphone grew so much it can actually compete and even win in featurexfeature comparions.
Bhavv,
Letīs play a game.
For every feature you think your mediaphone LG Arena has that the iphone doesnīt, I will tell you 3 things my smartphone iphone3G+jailbreak (and OS3) can do that your LG Arena canīt.
So, shall we?
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Bhavv
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On 2009-04-01 00:10:13, SloopJohnB wrote:
The iPhone wasnīt about īnumberī of features but the implementation of these features with the best UI in the market plus the introduction of multi-touch (which is the best thing out there for viewing files of any form).
HOWEVER, today the developing community around the iphone grew so much it can actually compete and even win in featurexfeature comparions.
Bhavv,
Letīs play a game.
For every feature you think your mediaphone LG Arena has that the iphone doesnīt, I will tell you 3 things my smartphone iphone3G+jailbreak (and OS3) can do that your LG Arena canīt.
So, shall we?
I doubt it, since nothing has yet been mentioned that the LG cant do over the I Phone.
Anyway, whatever your smartphone wannabe and jailbroken I Phone can do, S60 and Winmob can probably do it too.
Forget about the comparison to LG Arena,  P1 > I Phone.
If the I Phone is so good, then why isnt it doing so well outside of America?
Right, because most people dont actually want one.
Ok, I have been reading up on threads of I Phone users saying which apps they use, and on the whole it is mostly useless and rubbish software and games that I wouldnt ever need.
E.G.
Oh wow, a weather app!
Why not just bookmark a weather page on the internet instead?
And the guy who said he could add dolby mobile to his I Phone through an app, just how much more of a laughing clown can you become? There are no such apps that allow any such features to be added to the phone, except for the video capture one, but the results are absolutely horrible and poor quality video lol!
You called Dolby mobile a marketing gimmick, my god, what exactly do you think your apps and your I Phone are?
Over marketted gimmicks. Apps are simply NO WHERE near a big a deal as the I Phone fans make them out to be, I have searched through the apps and numerous 'what apps do you use on your I Phone' threads, and everything is just cheap, tacky and overpriced junk that doesnt make an I Phone anything better then my LG.
I dont believe in God, but if there is one, THANK GOD for not making me a guillable idiot.
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Better change the thread name to "Epic flame war. Round 1: iPhone users vs iPhone haterz"
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For every feature you think your mediaphone LG Arena has that the iphone doesnīt, I will tell you 3 things my smartphone iphone3G+jailbreak (and OS3) can do that your LG Arena canīt.
So, shall we?
Right, I now challenge you (and anyone else to your own challenge), but with the following rules for an unbiased and fair comparison - your I Phone (and my LG) must still have a valid warranty, be used in the same country as me (UK) and be used according to the terms it is sold on, meaning no network unlock and bound to use on O2, as I am bound to only use mine on T Mobile.
Lets start:
-5 MP camera
-720x480 video capture
-Dolby Mobile
-MMS
-Removable Battery
-Expandable memory
-Can be used as a modem (O2 dont allow modem use)
-Can use VOIP for free included within my 10 GB limit (O2 dont allow VOIP use)
-800x480 resolution
-Full bluetooth capabilities.
I have listed 10 things here that cant be done on a warranty covered I Phone from O2 in the same country as my warranty covered LG Arena on T Mobile.
Theres probably some things I missed.
Now, as to the rules of your challenge, find me 30 things that your I Phone can do that my LG Arena cant. Please dont mention stupid things which both our phones can already do like Email, Facebook, Calendar, Calculator, etc, etc.
I await your magnificent list of 30 things that your I Phone can do that my LG cant which should immediately convince me to go out and buy an I Phone, because, wow, 30 things that you say you can do better on your phone?
Oh wait, I think I missed:
-TV out.
Does an I Phone have TV out? If not, you now have 33 better things to find for me.
I like your own 3x things rule in this little challenge.
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Gosh..!! I look forward to reading this thread.. its the iPhone BTW.
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I will not follow all of your rules cos some of them arenīt accurate. You can jailbreak your iphone and still have warranty, you just have to restore it. I will not go into details about your plan because this is a phone comparison not a plan comparison and both phones are sold all around the world and are subject to many different plans.
Letīs go
- 5MP camera
The iphone also has a digital camera and number of pixels doesnīt make a better camera so this doesnīt count. Itīs not a function the iphone īlacksī.
- 720x480 video capture
The iphone does basic video recording with cycorder. Again, not a feature the iphone īlacksī.
- Dolby Mobile
Here Iīll put: google voice search, epocrates (database of drugs and clinical information, crucial if you r doctor) and wedict (multiple dictionaries)
- MMS
MMS is part of the iPhone OS 3.0. You can use in OS 2.0 if you jailbreak. Again, not a īlackī.
- Removable battery
The iphone doesnīt have a removal battery but is does have external batteries that attach to the bottom of the device and can charge it up to 2x, and they arenīt big or expensive. Again, not exactly a missing feature.
- Expandable memory
The iphone doesnīt have a memory card slot, it already comes with loads of memory but it īlacksī that so here it goes: kindle app (why pay 369usd for a kindle with this app?), traffic info app, supermonkeyball (you may not like the game but all my friends just canīt put it down when I show it to them)
- Modem
The iphone works as a modem today with the Netshare app (if u r smart enough you can find it) and this feature will be native in the OS 3.0, youīll even be able to use it was a modem through bluetooth.
- VOIP
Thereīs fring, nimbuzz, skype and etc for this
- 800x400 resolution
Having a screen with a good resolution is not a function the iphone lacks even if LG Arenaīs screen have higher resolution. I bet lg arena doesnt have the iphoneīs screen brightness or readability under direct sunlight.
- Full bluetooth capabilities
You can unlock the iphoneīs bluetooth today with ibluetooth (cydia) however the OS 3.0 will bring new bluetooth features such as exchanged info between apps, multiple iphones playing the same game (with chat), exchange data between accessories and iphones and etc. Again, not a feature the iphone lacks.
- TV out
The iphone has tv-out.
LG Arena is a very cool phone but itīs mainly a mediaphone. The camera and mediaplayer must be good but thereīs nothing really special about the rest, not that thereīs anything wrong with that, it just wasnīt designed to be more.
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Oh goodness  I'd love to see this guy argue in a vintage Ford Mustang fan forum that they really shouldn't be enjoying their cars because there's no airbag, no gps etc. The smell of frying meat is always good!
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My main problem with the iPhone and Apple is the way in which they keep you tied to them after you purchase their products.
I mean, I am a heavy user of my phones features and don't have time to be constantly recharging. Why can't I be able to have an extra battery to just change when I want?
Why must my phone be not just locked to the network but also forever linked to Apple? Why can't I just buy the phone and Apple become a third party issuing updates when necessary and not wanting to bind me back to them?
Must I suffer the indignity of unlocking then having the updates undo that?
Why can't I buy a 16GB card and stick it into the phone and increase as I wish?
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But you cannot use either VOIP or Modem use on the I Phone sold in the UK as the carrier, O2, doesnt allow those services and will charge you like crazy for them.
As for invalidating warranty, I strictly meant unlocking the I Phone to work on T Mobile - I have heard many many people that want to do that in the UK, but then you absolutely cannot upgrade to OS3 or get any warranty support, which is why for the UK market, the I Phone has no VOIP or Modem use.
So basically, if you want to unlock your I Phone, you cant get OS3, meaning it is currently impossible to use all of the features that I listed on the device in the UK.
I Phone in the UK took 16 months to sell 1 Million units, compared to this the N95 sold over 1 Million within a year, and I am sure that SE have more successful handsets here.
I said it before, you cannot use sales figures of the I Phone in America to compare elsewhere in the world because it is a completely different market.
About the features comparison, I find it laughable that you consider games and programs to be features, but whatever.
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On 2009-03-31 20:35:42, Bhavv wrote:
Just a thought for you - do you think the LG Arena would exist at all if the "irrelevant" iPhone hadn't come along two years ago?
Who knows? Im not phychic, it very well could have.
Like fudge it would. Everything about the Arena, from the hardware design to the menu, to the pathetic attempt to extend coverflow to photo-viewing in the photo album (seriously, a "3D" photo viewer? Think about how stupid that is for a moment) just screams wannabe iPhone. It's practically KIRF.
Was the I phone the first touch screen UI phone on the market?
It was the first capacitive-screened multitouch UI phone on the market.
No. So, would the I Phone had ever come along if no one had ever made a touch screen device before it? Probably not.
I had a few different touchscreen phones before the iPhone, and while I can quite believe some of them informed the iPhone's design process, I can also say the iPhone is completely and utterly different to anything that came before it, in design, technology, and feel. The Arena certainly can't say that.
Again, you underestimate being able to integrate a decent camera, bluetooth, copy + paste, MMS, removable batteries and expandable memory into a phone. All of these are more important then Apps. You also fail to realise that the Arena has only been released for 5 days!!! In 6 months time, there will be apps available for it. Right now, I cant think of anything that I need to add to the phone.
Firstly, you should know that improved bluetooth support, copy & paste, and MMS are all coming to the iPhone (all iPhones) in June - so again, don't underestimate the benefits of software upgradeability. Secondly, you keep trying to infer that actually the Arena will have apps - I have to ask, are you quite sure about that? Have LG released an SDK for this phone, or announced any plans for that? Do any of the Arena's app developers know what they should be developing their apps for? I mean, I really hope you're not talking about java here. You know there's a difference between a rinky-dink java applet and a full native app, right?
Ooops, I were looking at the wrong type of memory card prior to getting my phone, never mind, I'll just get myself a 16 GB and still have 24 GB total
Didn't really do your research on this one did you? Buyer's remorse setting in much yet?
Except that Dolby Mobile isn't actually hardware. It's audio processing software which phone makers can add to their hardware. An "app", if you will. You can read about it here -
Oh really?
Yes, really. Try this from the FAQ -
Is Dolby Mobile available for processors used in portable devices?
Dolby Mobile has been optimized for embedded DSPs used in many portable
devices today.
In other words, it's a set of software drivers that can be deployed on standard existing hardware (DSP=Digital Signal Processor, embedded in pretty much every phone including the iPhone). All it needs is the manufacturer to license the technology, and roll it into their firmware.
I'm not for a moment suggesting that Apple are about to do that (they don't need to, it's only a marketing gimmick after all) only that this "hardware upgrade" you're touting isn't beyond the wit of software.
How many were sold in America? Maybe 50 - 75% of those 13m ???
America has only just gotten its first 8 MP camera phone released by Samsung, prior to the I Phone, the most popular phone there was the Motorolla Razr.
When comparing Global sales figures, it is more accurate if you subtract and ignore sales in America, because the mobile phone market there is far far far behind Europe and Asia.
Heres an article on the poor UK sales:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2008/01/21/iPhone-UK-Sales-Figures-In-Below-Expectations/p1
You'd be making a fair point here if your information and assumptions weren't exactly one year out of date. That article is talking about the 2G iPhone that met with a very lukewarm reaction in Europe for plenty of very good reasons. If you look up sales of the current iPhone 3G, you find it's sold more than a million in the UK alone.
I call all of your misinformed information on the I Phone out as plain, obvious fanboyism.
And I call all of your misinformed information on the I Phone (whatever that is) just good old fashioned ignorance.
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