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WhyBe
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Well I hardly see how Symbian matches the feature set of WM 
P1 vs X1 ? There is a reason the P-series is dropped and the high-end of SE moved to WM. It probably was too much R&D to upgrade Symbian/UIQ to the level of WM (what I've already said a few posts above). I am not trying to say one OS is "better" than the other, just that the feature set of WM is the most extensive. Thus it's bigger size and hardware demands.
...And WM supports 24 bit color, it's not limited to 16bit. It's up to manufacturers to implement it. (Read here) |
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carkitter
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On 2008-09-25 20:44:06, mediar wrote:
I can't see good future for the G series.
I can. The G705 is a breath of fresh air IMO and the G502 has arrived here in NZ at a release price of $299 which is simply a stunning price, and I can't understand why they didn't put Wifi in it considering the internet focus it has and bump the price up a little. Contrast that with the V640i release price of $399 and $499 for the V630i (K618) and K610.
I hope this move towards higher spec phones will mean more mid-range phones with Wifi because the N-series is overdue for some decent competition IMO. Every G-series phone should include Wifi as standard.
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Dogmann
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@WhyBe
But SE and UIQ was not and never has been the most developed or best selling part of Symbian, so you can't judge Symbian just by UIQ or the P1.
S60 has as many apps as virtually any one could want or need and the number of apps available alone is not the way to judge any OS. The quality and usefulness of the apps is more important.
No one is claiming anything other than you stating WM is the best and most powerful which simply is just not true. It may be popular and the best for many but it isn't for all. But then no OS is which is why so many are able to co exist in the same market place. But currently Symbian is the market leader and Rim's market share is also large and growing at a good rate especially with it's latest offerings.
Personally i don't think we will ever see one OS totally dominant as we all want and like different things from our devices and OS's and choice and competition is good for all of us.
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SloopJohnB
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I will not put my hopes up.  is having budget problems and decided to cut R&D (remember?). What :Se is realizing now is that they need to focus on the high-end market because it yields more profit. How are they going to do that? Probably through marketing. Prepare yourself for loads and loads of banners, commercials and whatever about X1. They are having problems affording the development of their current portfolio let alone ´secret´ advanced high-end devices. A high-end phone needs about 2-3 years of development (so i´ve read) and a new phone in the near time superior to X1 seems unlikely (why would hide ir for so long while their image of ´advanced tech company´ is getting tainted? Besides that it would only overshadow X1 which is already being overshadowed by other companies´ phones).
Now, the OS thing. choice for WM is purely market driven imo, its got nothing to do with the ´quality´ of the OS. wants more market share in the states and at the same time gain more corporate share. WM seems the right choice. Besides that it must be cheaper to just use a third-party OS.
WM is not the ´best´ OS out there simply because there is no such thing. It may have many ´features´ or apps but that´s because microsoft has always been great in making partners and stimulating third part developers (whoever they are), but that always came with the expense of an unstable and crashy system, and in WM´s case, also slow. Not to mention the ´interface´ or organization of WM which is just, let´s say, ´challenging' to the user.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-09-25 22:55:17, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
But SE and UIQ was not and never has been the most developed or best selling part of Symbian, so you can't judge Symbian just by UIQ or the P1.
S60 has as many apps as virtually any one could want or need and the number of apps available alone is not the way to judge any OS. The quality and usefulness of the apps is more important.
No one is claiming anything other than you stating WM is the best and most powerful which simply is just not true. It may be popular and the best for many but it isn't for all. But then no OS is which is why so many are able to co exist in the same market place. But currently Symbian is the market leader and Rim's market share is also large and growing at a good rate especially with it's latest offerings.
Personally i don't think we will ever see one OS totally dominant as we all want and like different things from our devices and OS's and choice and competition is good for all of us.
I've said several times already that "I'm not stating WM is the best". I'll state once again that "WM is the most feature packed mobile OS." It is also a high-end mobile OS. Market share is irrelevant because low-end phones, as a whole, are the biggest selling devices.
It is a matter of opinion when one debates what is "Best". It is a matter of fact when one states what is most feature packed.
Also, the most feature packed OS isn't necessarily going to dominate the market. The phone OS that meets most people's needs at the most reasonable cost will take the top sales spot (that's Symbian). |
cristiano
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it's all coz of all thier high-end are too expensive
yes we won't a high-end mobile but not expensive as K850 when it came out to market it had the same price with n95 with less specs
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shyam335
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They themselves let into this mess.Hopefully se can get out of it soon enough.
On 2008-09-25 10:54:19, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
No, it was designed by Sony Ericsson. HTC built it. So Sony Ericsson can be proud of their X1 because all HTC did was add their expertise in building a functional WM device.
hold on,what is designed by se,
The hardware platform,the software or the physical shape of device? |
razec
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On 2008-09-26 05:26:42, shyam335 wrote:
They themselves let into this mess.Hopefully se can get out of it soon enough.
On 2008-09-25 10:54:19, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
No, it was designed by Sony Ericsson. HTC built it. So Sony Ericsson can be proud of their X1 because all HTC did was add their expertise in building a functional WM device.
hold on,what is designed by se,
The hardware platform,the software or the physical shape of device?
the physical looks(isn't it obvious?) and the whole Xperia software package (XMB, Media player, Fish tank, Calendar etc. )
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max_wedge
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Yep the X1 looks has SE written all over it.
The specifications would also have been dictated by SE.
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shyam335
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On 2008-09-26 05:43:04, razec wrote:
the physical looks(isn't it obvious?) and the whole Xperia software package (XMB, Media player, Fish tank, Calendar etc. )
I was merely asking,if he was offered some nokia or lg or even Chinese mobile wrapped in a SE casing,as he put it,How can SE be proud of it...
Of course unless he mean the marketing.
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c96sthl
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On 2008-09-26 00:49:28, SloopJohnB wrote:
I will not put my hopes up. is having budget problems and decided to cut R&D (remember?).
I don't think this is correct...i remember someone just saying this in esato and everyone continue to claim this
hopefully i didn't miss out something in q2 report...they never claim they cut down
in fact when i am at china reading one of their local china magazine...they have just setup another new office at beijing for design which you can see a big sonyericsson sign board when you head to beijing capital airport.
you might claim beijing can be well china meaning cheap but to setup things at Beijing isn't since it is the capital.
cutting the headcount don't mean cut the RnD personnel. SE still got other department tht might be too big for the organization.
also sometimes I doubt high end product really can be the solution. what the need is something really appeal to market...remember their saviour in 2003 is T610...it is not a high end phone.
2004 is K700 also not a high end product...yes within SE might be but in the market nope.
2005 is K750 and W800 ..both none high end as well.
the key still lay on how they market and give a good feature rich content
or...how they execute their new direction |
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On 2008-09-25 22:37:36, carkitter wrote:
On 2008-09-25 20:44:06, mediar wrote:
I can't see good future for the G series.
I can. The G705 is a breath of fresh air IMO and the G502 has arrived here in NZ at a release price of $299 which is simply a stunning price, and I can't understand why they didn't put Wifi in it considering the internet focus it has and bump the price up a little. Contrast that with the V640i release price of $399 and $499 for the V630i (K618) and K610.
I hope this move towards higher spec phones will mean more mid-range phones with Wifi because the N-series is overdue for some decent competition IMO. Every G-series phone should include Wifi as standard.
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G705 is not the succesor of G700. The name should be G505. But SE can't release nothing more than G900. Because they will not move to Symbian 9.5.
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gtr83
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G705 seems to be a business slider for more practical people. Does anyone agree that it's attempting to have a go against Nokia's E66? Although it would have an unfair fight at that. |
strizlow800
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I think G700 is more for bussiness people. Or the P1 sometimes.. P1 is outdated though... They also have the G700 bussiness edition. A phone that is meant for bussiness. I think the G705 is more like a phone for average users (plus some extra connectivity). 
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max_wedge
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On 2008-09-26 00:49:28, SloopJohnB wrote:
WM is not the ´best´ OS out there simply because there is no such thing. It may have many ´features´ or apps but that´s because microsoft has always been great in making partners and stimulating third part developers (whoever they are), but that always came with the expense of an unstable and crashy system, and in WM´s case, also slow. Not to mention the ´interface´ or organization of WM which is just, let´s say, ´challenging' to the user.
Slow? This depends more on the hardware design (memory / processor) then the OS. WM is not particularly slow. The 64MB RAM ipaq HW6900 isn't slow.
Unstable? In and of itself, not at all. Far more stable than s60 imho. Even with third party apps installed, if you choose wisely, it's stable. Because of that "stimulating third part developers " that you mention, you have more than enough choice of quality third party apps and can just ignore the crap. Often on symbian systems there may be one or two apps available for a specific function, and if neither is quite right then it's just tough luck.
Give me WM anyday. You can't divorce MS support of third party developers from the OS itself. This goes hand in hand with the strength of WM. Sure, s60 may be just as flexible if it had such broad support, but the reality is it doesn't have that level of support. It's not Microsoft's job to stimulate s60 development - that's primarily Nokia's job and given they have more marketshare than WM it's obvious they just prefer to rest on their laurels. That's to the loss of s60 users.
s60 is losing marketshare to RIM and WM. The trend is likely to continue, with a proliferation of WM formfactors to suit most users.
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Posted: 2008-09-25 22:13
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