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Raiderski
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i have post many LOW light....is this low enough ??
yes, they are. let me clarify... will be nice if you stop naming >1/250s ISO64 pics 'low-light' only because they are dark. that's all
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AbuBasim
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On 2008-09-20 12:21:26, Raiderski wrote:
i have post many LOW light....is this low enough ??
yes, they are. let me clarify... will be nice if you stop naming >1/250s ISO64 pics 'low-light' only because they are dark. that's all
I was going to comment on this also. Most of the so called low-light shots plankis posted are at ISO 80, 125 or 200 with shutter 1/15 or 1/20. These are not low-light shots but simply underexposed! For an example of a real low-light shot look at GLOBALCOMM's shot here. Note the ISO 50 and shutter speed 4 seconds. How do you this it would look with a fast shutter like what plankis used?
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plankgatan
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ok i get your point..... just let me clear this. (in Swedish i could explain about low light or not in hours...you got my point ???)
for me this is low light, but in a different way, (im not bother to explain it more detailed, (next time i will say; low light shoot with ISO.XXX  ):
this is night for me, but still also low light.
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haki
Joined: May 14, 2002
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ALL the following were taken with ALL settings at AUTO>
Cloudy and only 10 degrees today in Macedonia, Greece.
DVD Club.
Cuties closeup under artificial light.
[ This Message was edited by: haki on 2008-09-20 12:40 ] |
-PERFECT-
Joined: Dec 29, 2007
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On 2008-09-20 12:07:55, plankgatan wrote:
the colors looks fake
To your eyes  surely
On 2008-09-20 12:07:55, plankgatan wrote:
Secret have no great indoor camera
Plank’s C902 pic:
Perfect’s Secret pic:
100% crops Plank’s C902 pic:
100% crops Perfect’s Secret pic:
In this comparison your secondrate C902 reminds me an old poker videogame that in the end said: you LOOOSE
On 2008-09-20 12:52:02, plankgatan wrote:
in Swedish i could explain about low light or not in hours
for me this is low light
 In Swedish this is low light only for you. Give a look to Raiderski’s pics for real low light.
You can only dream natural red color:
C902:
Secret:
@haki: nice pics mate!
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plankgatan
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On 2008-09-20 13:36:05, haki wrote:
ALL the following were taken with ALL settings at AUTO>
Cloudy and only 10 degrees today in Macedonia, Greece.
[ This Message was edited by: haki on 2008-09-20 12:40 ]
this is exactley what im talking about.. Secret cant get it sharp when the light starts fade away... the details just melts together.
see the difference with c902...shoot in the evening with even less light...the details dosent melt togheter, they stays normal.
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haki
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Yes, yes plankgatan...excuse me for posting such a disgusting photo...a disgrace to the eyes.
You certainly have a distorted perception of what ORDINARY people refer to as "evening" or "low light"!
Here's one more horrible photo of where I just enjoyed my espresso. No detail and all wrong colors.
Question: Since when did Saab start producing orange cars???
We know that the Secret is purposely engineered to produce softer images but at the same time it produces EXTREMELY LITTLE noise as compared to the C902. If you prefer sharper images it's very to make the Secret images sharp because they are NOISELESS! I bet you like this retouched image more!
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Haki, don’t listen him, these are really true colors!
Plank, i don’t understand you, i know that sometimes C902 is a bit sharper (only advantage it has), the details that melt together? Where? You said the same thing about this my pic:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2315/lgim0518ux4.jpg
Give me some 100%crop to see it
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haki
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From: The real MACEDONIA in GREECE
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@PERFECT: I prefer softer images myself, particularly if you plan on printing them. I just edited my previous post and demonstrated how simple it is to sharpen a Secret photo because it is SO GOOD to begin with. It is just a matter of preference. |
Pitzon
Joined: Oct 14, 2007
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I must admit that most secret pics looks stunning and noise-free
I just feel them a bit "dark" and "cold" or am i wrong? The c902 is many times just the opposite though, a bit to light and pale although better than many previous SE phones
I would love having a secret to play around with a bit. Im just afraid for anything else than Nokia or SE. The thing that scares me the most is that i have heard that it´s really slow when shooting?
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haki
Joined: May 14, 2002
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From: The real MACEDONIA in GREECE
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Yes, Secret's software renders the photos slightly cold, slightly dark, and slightly soft. Afterwards it very easy to edit them to your preference. If you have a noise-free image it is simple to work on it. I also think that it is as slow/fast as the rest of the 5Mp cameraphones. If used for snapshots, its images are perfectly printable and viewable. And, of course, we must not forget that cameraphone photos are low quality when compared to your average 150 euro digital camera.
At the end, this thread will have become an excellent guide for someone who is torn between the two modern, 5Mp cameraphones with the same price.
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recl
Joined: Nov 25, 2007
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From: Romania
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being slow when taking pics might not be a disadvantage because the camera retains more details (so there's less noise) and it get's more accurate in different light conditions |
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On 2008-09-20 15:50:03, haki wrote:
@PERFECT: I prefer softer images myself, particularly if you plan on printing them. I just edited my previous post and demonstrated how simple it is to sharpen a Secret photo because it is SO GOOD to begin with. It is just a matter of preference.
Totally agree with you, the pics are so good in most conditions.
This is a 100% crop of the above pic:
With no good light you can read the name of the street.
100% crop C902:
Here, with better light condition, what can you read?
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plankgatan
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you know what, im so tired to hear about great indoor quality, etc, etc...so i look at Flickr.com. (because i know they quality goes down very much when the light starts to fade with Secret)
here is mostly all indoor pictures taken by Secret on Flickr.com, in different type of light-conditions
http://www.flickr.com/photos/h2-blog/sets/72157605176361808/
all this indoor pics is posted in 900 x 675, (its lucky they wasnt in full size, they had been unvisble otherwise). this is what nearly all pictures look like. (see for yourself)
so maybe we can leave this mather about great indoor-quality.
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-09-20 16:40 ] |
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Are you so tired?
The Secret has bad performance with low light, your phone has bad performance all the times.
The comparisons between Secret and C902 that Haki has posted prove it in all the way.
Sorry
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